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Re: Brownhill

Post by BigChaCha » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:05 am

I was literally the only person in the main threads before the summer window that said we should keep him...

He's not even hit the peak age for a player in his position yet and I am glad VK agrees with me... With the adulation, VK has given him lately and the commitment to get him signed on a longer deal really pleases me...

He will be as important to the team in the next few years if we stay in the Prem and he stays as Cork is to the team now!

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:55 am
This board is so strange. The only place you will ever get grief for not rating a player.
If that player is someone like Diego Penny - fine but when its somebody who has clearly been a very good signing now playing pretty much every minute for the most inform team in the country and if you have eyes, then its just a bit strange.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by BigChaCha » Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:50 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: This board is so strange. The only place you will ever get grief for not rating a player.
It is also a board, where near enough every valuable and contributing player we have had over the last 5 years has been completely written off by most members of this board!... (Usually, after a long-term injury layoff and for that player to prove them wrong... AGAIN!)...

99.9% of members of this board have been totally discredited when it comes to judging Burnley players talents!

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:05 am

The same people that could see Dyche doing no wrong can also not see how Brownhill constantly loses the ball in the prem usually leading to a goal against.

He scored a good goal against Watford last season can’t remember him doing anything else of note.

There was that embarrassing jumping around the ball against Liverpool which one poster thought was prime Xavi for some reason.

I really hope we have some targets to replace him and Cork when we go up as usually Jack has the whole midfield to run on his own when Josh loses the ball in an advanced position.

I rate Cork but he’s not getting any younger.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:08 am

If only people like Dyche and Kompany new as much as some of our resident experts on here.

The game is lost with not having these posters involved in the game

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:34 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:08 am
If only people like Dyche and Kompany new as much as some of our resident experts on here.

The game is lost with not having these posters involved in the game
Tbf Dyche was sacked and we were relegated because they didn’t improve our midfield. Plenty of people said going into the season with that midfield we would be relegated

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:36 am

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:05 am
The same people that could see Dyche doing no wrong can also not see how Brownhill constantly loses the ball in the prem usually leading to a goal against.

He scored a good goal against Watford last season can’t remember him doing anything else of note.

There was that embarrassing jumping around the ball against Liverpool which one poster thought was prime Xavi for some reason.

I really hope we have some targets to replace him and Cork when we go up as usually Jack has the whole midfield to run on his own when Josh loses the ball in an advanced position.

I rate Cork but he’s not getting any younger.
I think he could work on stuff like that, but his energy levels and work rate our crucial to how we are going to play in the prem

Replacing him with someone with much better control and a similar work rate and physicality is going to be well beyond our transfer means I feel

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Superjohnnyfrancis » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:13 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:36 am
I think he could work on stuff like that, but his energy levels and work rate our crucial to how we are going to play in the prem

Replacing him with someone with much better control and a similar work rate and physicality is going to be well beyond our transfer means I feel
I am hoping VK has something up his sleeve as we are going to be completely over run again in midfield if we are committing the wingers like we do in the championship.

Hopefully he’s a regular on championship manager 😂

If Brownhill could stop losing the ball in such vital areas he may yet come good but he has to cut those errors out of his game completely.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:27 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:34 am
Tbf Dyche was sacked and we were relegated because they didn’t improve our midfield. Plenty of people said going into the season with that midfield we would be relegated
If he had played Cork/Brownhill partnership more probably would not have got relegated. Westwood was great but terrible last season.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:35 am

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:13 am
I am hoping VK has something up his sleeve as we are going to be completely over run again in midfield if we are committing the wingers like we do in the championship.

Hopefully he’s a regular on championship manager 😂

If Brownhill could stop losing the ball in such vital areas he may yet come good but he has to cut those errors out of his game completely.
Think having 3 CMs will help massively there to be honest

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:00 am

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:27 am
If he had played Cork/Brownhill partnership more probably would not have got relegated. Westwood was great but terrible last season.
We would still have been relegated. We had a short new manager bounce that was all.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Vincent'sCap » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:13 am

:mrgreen: 8
Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:00 am
We would still have been relegated. We had a short new manager bounce that was all.
A very short bounce,I'd have stuck with Dyche and I truly believe we would still be in the Premier league

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretcarrot93 » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:47 am

Vincent'sCap wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:13 am
:mrgreen: 8
A very short bounce,I'd have stuck with Dyche and I truly believe we would still be in the Premier league
Screw that, the man was great but this season has been a breath of fresh air. Love going to Turf now, felt like a chore last few seasons.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:50 am

According to FBref data, Brownhill is joint top of ‘goal creating actions’ in the entire league this season

‘2022-2023 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Championship Goal-Creating Actions Leaders

Josh Brownhill (14)
Iliman Ndiaye (14)
Daniel Barlaser (14)
Teemu Pukki (14)
Ilias Chair (11)
Oliver Norwood (10)
Ryan John Giles (10)’

Quite interesting to see him up there Ndiaye / Chair, both of whom are very highly rated with fees of 10-15m+ mentioned.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Vincent'sCap » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:44 pm

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:47 am
Screw that, the man was great but this season has been a breath of fresh air. Love going to Turf now, felt like a chore last few seasons.
We could still have had Vincent,whether or not Dyche kept us up last season he would have been sacked anyway,would have been intresting seeing Vincent going straight into the Premier league with our current team

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Vincent'sCap » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:50 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:50 am
According to FBref data, Brownhill is joint top of ‘goal creating actions’ in the entire league this season

‘2022-2023 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Championship Goal-Creating Actions Leaders

Josh Brownhill (14)
Iliman Ndiaye (14)
Daniel Barlaser (14)
Teemu Pukki (14)
Ilias Chair (11)
Oliver Norwood (10)
Ryan John Giles (10)’

Quite interesting to see him up there Ndiaye / Chair, both of whom are very highly rated with fees of 10-15m+ mentioned.
Brownhill is an excellent Championship footballer,Premier league? Simply not good enough

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:55 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:05 am
I was literally the only person in the main threads before the summer window that said we should keep him...
I'm pretty certain you weren't literally the only person saying we should keep Brownhill.
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Re: Brownhill

Post by RVclaret » Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:56 pm

Vincent'sCap wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:50 pm
Brownhill is an excellent Championship footballer,Premier league? Simply not good enough
It’s hard to say. In general, I can see why you might say this, as at PL level he struggled to impose himself consistently and struggled with ball retention. However, the questions I’d have are:

Will he look better in VK’s system?

As a CM in the 4-4-2 Dyche played, it is a completely different role and system to now. VK clearly likes his work off the ball a lot, gets through an awful lot of pressing high up the pitch.

Is he entering his peak?

Just turned 27, are his best years ahead of him? I’m sure the past few seasons experience in the PL will also stand him in good stead.

Can he be a useful squad player?

I don’t see why not. Clearly a team player, very well liked and ‘gets Burnley’. Those traits alone are useful in the squad.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretspice » Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:04 pm

Personally I think Brownhill will be a valuable player if we go up. Playing in a 3 clearly suits him - as others have said, and as I alluded to higher up the thread, a role which enables him to get forwards and make effective third man runs to support the attacking players as well as defend, gets far more from him than a more limited role focused on providing defensive cover. Dyche had him doing the latter as one of two central midfielders staying behind the ball.

He may not start every game, but I think it'd be tough for us to sign players who replicate his athleticism, physicality and the intelligence with which he uses those attributes. He's also a leader and a communicator, and with this extra experience he adds something that we may not have in abundance next season in the Premier League. There's a reasonable argument that of our starting midfield right now, he's the most likely to adapt to being a regular in the Premier League - and I say that with no disrespect to Cork (top class player but I think we know age may limit his Premier League role) or Cullen (fantastic pass-and-move operator, but he'll have to prove he can live with the physical demands of the top flight).

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Re: Brownhill

Post by equinox » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:49 pm

Is there any interest in him this transfer window?

The number 10 role is Twines now and anything north of 15m would be tempting for Josh, surely?

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Carwin261 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:01 pm

equinox wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:49 pm
Is there any interest in him this transfer window?

The number 10 role is Twines now and anything north of 15m would be tempting for Josh, surely?
I don’t get this that Twine has suddenly become our new no 10,ok he’s scored a brilliant free kick ,I think he’s too easily knocked off the ball,you may be right ,but he needs a lot more games to come to that conclusion.
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Re: Brownhill

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:04 pm

Brownhill against Coventry and WBA playing next to Cullen has been excellent, but still think he will be the number 10 in front of twine

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Re: Brownhill

Post by summitclaret » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:09 pm

equinox wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:49 pm
Is there any interest in him this transfer window?

The number 10 role is Twines now and anything north of 15m would be tempting for Josh, surely?
We are building a squad for the PL. Josh is a key player for that.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by aclaretinstevenage » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:12 pm

Carwin261 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:01 pm
I don’t get this that Twine has suddenly become our new no 10,ok he’s scored a brilliant free kick ,I think he’s too easily knocked off the ball,you may be right ,but he needs a lot more games to come to that conclusion.
Exactly this. Sure Twine is a free kick expert no doubt but how on earth he has suddenly become so elevated in peoples ratings is really puzzling for me.

Happy to have him on board but let's keep a sense of reality here.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Ampth7 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:16 pm

Brownhill will be a vital player for us next season no matter what league we are in and whoever we may sign.

Twine is an interesting one; on one hand he is clearly very talented, but on the other, he is very raw and lacking in any experience beyond league 1. If we go up, he may find himself struggling for minutes with a Championship loan a possibility. It’s all guess work, but the jump from league 1 to the Prem is a huge one to make effectively in such a short space of time.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by equinox » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:16 pm

Brownhill isn't a number 10, is useless with a deadball and if anybody is stupid enough to pay 15m+ then we should sell, the squad is massive and the money in Kompanys hands would be useful.
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Re: Brownhill

Post by RVclaret » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:27 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:12 pm
Exactly this. Sure Twine is a free kick expert no doubt but how on earth he has suddenly become so elevated in peoples ratings is really puzzling for me.

Happy to have him on board but let's keep a sense of reality here.
Not sure it’s ‘peoples ratings’, first suggestion I’ve seen of it from this poster!

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Re: Brownhill

Post by JarrowClaret » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:28 pm

BigChaCha wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:05 am
I was literally the only person in the main threads before the summer window that said we should keep him...

He's not even hit the peak age for a player in his position yet and I am glad VK agrees with me... With the adulation, VK has given him lately and the commitment to get him signed on a longer deal really pleases me...

He will be as important to the team in the next few years if we stay in the Prem and he stays as Cork is to the team now!
You literally weren’t the only person saying we should keep him quite a few said similar I personally said he would be great for us this season and many others said more or less the same. The way I read it it was a minority that said they didn’t rate him, which is a position I don’t understand if you get football you have to see his ability, but hey who am I to question someone else’s opinion that they are entitled too.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Bosscat » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:28 pm

Ampth7 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:16 pm
Brownhill will be a vital player for us next season no matter what league we are in and whoever we may sign.

Twine is an interesting one; on one hand he is clearly very talented, but on the other, he is very raw and lacking in any experience beyond league 1. If we go up, he may find himself struggling for minutes with a Championship loan a possibility. It’s all guess work, but the jump from league 1 to the Prem is a huge one to make effectively in such a short space of time.
Jamie Vardy 😉

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Ampth7 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:29 pm

equinox wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:16 pm
Brownhill isn't a number 10, is useless with a deadball and if anybody is stupid enough to pay 15m+ then we should sell, the squad is massive and the money in Kompanys hands would be useful.
I think he is a good old fashioned centre mid/box to box type of midfielder. He does have weaknesses, which you have highlighted, but I believe these are far outweighed by his energy, his ability to read a game for interceptions, his ability to keep the ball and his experience at the top level make him invaluable next season and hopefully beyond in my opinion.
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Re: Brownhill

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:30 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:28 pm
Jamie Vardy 😉
He had two full seasons at championship level

Twine might manage a handful of apps

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Bosscat » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:32 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:30 pm
He had two full seasons at championship level

Twine might manage a handful of apps
It was said tongue in cheek Ncc 🤭
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Re: Brownhill

Post by JarrowClaret » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:37 pm

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:05 am
The same people that could see Dyche doing no wrong can also not see how Brownhill constantly loses the ball in the prem usually leading to a goal against.

He scored a good goal against Watford last season can’t remember him doing anything else of note.

There was that embarrassing jumping around the ball against Liverpool which one poster thought was prime Xavi for some reason.

I really hope we have some targets to replace him and Cork when we go up as usually Jack has the whole midfield to run on his own when Josh loses the ball in an advanced position.

I rate Cork but he’s not getting any younger.
Eh this is silly and makes no sense! I don’t think there is 1 person on this board that doesn’t think Dyche did things wrong in his tenure but there is an acceptance that a lot of what he did wrong was at least partially down to the Clubs circumstances.

Also there is no link between that and anyone’s position on Josh Brownhill, there will be people who love Sean Dyche that don’t like Josh Brownhill and vice versa.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:19 pm

aclaretinstevenage wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:12 pm
Exactly this. Sure Twine is a free kick expert no doubt but how on earth he has suddenly become so elevated in peoples ratings is really puzzling for me.

Happy to have him on board but let's keep a sense of reality here.
Have you forgotten, the longer a player is out injured, the better they become...
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Re: Brownhill

Post by Clive 1960 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:18 am

claretcarrot93 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:27 am
If he had played Cork/Brownhill partnership more probably would not have got relegated. Westwood was great but terrible last season.
A bit unfair on Westwood , I think the team was just going through the motion till Dyche was sacked and then picked up when Jackson took temporary charge but it was a month to late in my book. UTC 👍

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Clive 1960 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:20 am

I think Brownhill would do a good job sitting deep and protecting our back four , but that is to be seen and we definitely need a play maker midfielder.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by MancunianClaret » Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:32 am

equinox wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:16 pm
Brownhill isn't a number 10, is useless with a deadball and if anybody is stupid enough to pay 15m+ then we should sell, the squad is massive and the money in Kompanys hands would be useful.
Who would you buy at £15M to replace him? Needs to be PL ready/proven.

On your comments in Twine taking the 10, we've no idea how he'll perform in the PL. For that matter, we've no idea really how he performs in the Championship given his lack of minutes.

You're coming out with some weird takes and I'm struggling to understand if they're serious.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:52 am

equinox wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:49 pm
Is there any interest in him this transfer window?

The number 10 role is Twines now and anything north of 15m would be tempting for Josh, surely?

:D :D :D

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Penwortham_Claret » Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:55 am

I wouldn’t be surprised if we loaned Twine out to a Championship club for a season if/when we get promoted.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Cooclaret » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:17 am

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:55 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if we loaned Twine out to a Championship club for a season if/when we get promoted.
Might happen, but I think Twine is the kind of player that will thrive with the technical skill sets players bring to the Premier League. His technical ability is top level, add that the increased space and time you get in the Premier League, he’s good to go.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by equinox » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:14 pm

Now I'm not suggesting Sean will set his team up like this but surely something like this could survive?




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Re: Brownhill

Post by equinox » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:24 pm

Wrong thread, sorry.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by fatboy47 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:54 pm

Penwortham_Claret wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 7:55 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if we loaned Twine out to a Championship club for a season if/when we get promoted.
I would. Very.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Greenmile » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:44 pm

Cooclaret wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:17 am
Might happen, but I think Twine is the kind of player that will thrive with the technical skill sets players bring to the Premier League. His technical ability is top level, add that the increased space and time you get in the Premier League, he’s good to go.
Really??

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Re: Brownhill

Post by equinox » Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:47 pm

I was hoping some desperate bottom half Premier league club would come in with a ridiculous offer.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Raconteur » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:01 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:44 pm
Really??
Spot on. They must be watching a different Premier league. From what i see, in the modern day Prem, you don't get much time on the ball at all. Most teams suffocate you with the pressing.
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Re: Brownhill

Post by Cooclaret » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:30 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:44 pm
Really??
Absolutely, the game is faster paced at times, and mistakes are punished to a greater degree, but I do feel you get more time and space to use.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Greenmile » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:34 pm

Cooclaret wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:30 pm
Absolutely, the game is faster paced at times, and mistakes are punished to a greater degree, but I do feel you get more time and space to use.
Maybe you should ask for a seat facing the pitch (or turn your chair around to face the TV) in future.

The idea that you get more time and space in the Premier League than in the Championship is completely laughable.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by RMutt » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:48 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:34 pm
Maybe you should ask for a seat facing the pitch (or turn your chair around to face the TV) in future.

The idea that you get more time and space in the Premier League than in the Championship is completely laughable.
I think teams can be a bit cleverer about where they give you time on the ball in the Premier League although it’s usually in your own back third.
I also think players are a bit more respectful of each other and know they will get done if they dive in.
Both of these factors can give the appearance of players having more time.

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Re: Brownhill

Post by Cooclaret » Thu Feb 02, 2023 7:37 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:34 pm
Maybe you should ask for a seat facing the pitch (or turn your chair around to face the TV) in future.

The idea that you get more time and space in the Premier League than in the Championship is completely laughable.
Funny, I think it is at least!

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