Lampard gone

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:38 pm

It's difficult to feel any sense of sympathy when he'll be leaving with a multi million pound severance package he's set up for life well he was anyway & his missus will be worth a fortune as well, collectively both are minted to the max.

ClaretCliff · Post by **ClaretCliff** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:41 pm

Lampard has got a new job in America. Frankie goes to Hollywood.

Sorry

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:42 pm

Claret Toni wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:07 pm
Is it just me that thinks this is a bit odd:

"Rarely do football players full stop become good managers as the ratio of football players to good managers is many to few."

Might this be because there's many football players (perhaps 30 to 40 at a club) but only 1 manager; who might be good bad or indifferent.

Then we move along to talking about good players - could be helpful to have a common understanding of good player; be they internationals of teams that won more than they lost for example, premiership players who've won trophies or appeared more than 200 times.

Managers - when do they become good? Winning the Champions League (Roberto di Matteo?), several promotions (Eddie Howe?), working on a shoestring and exceeding expectations (Gareth Ainsworth?), developing players. Just some observations on how good might be measured?, or is me playing devils advocate.

The original suggestion was that rarely do naturally gifted players become good managers. I was just pointing out that all things being equal if for every naturally gifted football player there was 999 normal professional football players then for every 1000 good football managers you would expect only one to be a naturally gifted player.

What you have explained in detail with your reply is exactly the point I was making that to simply dismiss good football players not making good managers misses the whole statistical point around how many players they are compared to managers and how is good classified or measured.

Maybe without realising it you've come up with the same point I was attempting to make and so in answer to your final question you most certainly are playing Devils Advocate and maybe a little more than you realise

Pearcey · Post by **Pearcey** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:48 pm

I like Lampard but I do think he’s out of his depth as a manager in the Prem. Dyche would be a great appointment for them.

yTib · Post by **yTib** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:49 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:38 pm
It's difficult to feel any sense of sympathy when he'll be leaving with a multi million pound severance package he's set up for life well he was anyway & his missus will be worth a fortune as well, collectively both are minted to the max.

vacuous as ever.

Hbclaret007 · Post by **Hbclaret007** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:51 pm

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:38 pm
It's difficult to feel any sense of sympathy when he'll be leaving with a multi million pound severance package he's set up for life well he was anyway & his missus will be worth a fortune as well, collectively both are minted to the max.

Seems like a decent bloke. Speaks with honesty. He doesn't seem to have what it takes to manage at the top level. Plenty enough money to do something different with his life.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:54 pm

Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:51 pm
Seems like a decent bloke. Speaks with honesty. He doesn't seem to have what it takes to manage at the top level. Plenty enough money to do something different with his life.

Bang on, I think even at a lower level managing he might fare differently where there's less pressure & expectation & he is a likeable chap so he might get pitched for some punditry position.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:38 pm

Everton’s 6 defeats in their past 7 league games have come against teams whose League Positions, before kick off, were 10th (Brighton), 17th (Bournemouth), 18th (Leicester), 18th (West Ham), 20th (Wolves) and 20th (Southampton).
Losing to teams in or around them in the table suggests that they have a lot of much tougher fixtures to come before the season closes. With around a week left in this transfer window (even assuming for a prompt managerial appointment) any new manager will have precious little time to assess the current squad and make any additions.

RicardoMontalban · Post by **RicardoMontalban** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:44 pm

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:48 pm
I like Lampard but I do think he’s out of his depth as a manager in the Prem. Dyche would be a great appointment for them.

You see people with the view that the Everton job is one Dyche shouldn’t touch with a barge pole. The club’s a toxic basket case incapable of tying its own laces and he’d be mad to take that on.

Sure, that’s all true about Everton but at this point I get the sense that’s the sort of job Dyche will have to take to get his next chance in the Prem. How many managerial changes have we seen so far in the top division and he’s not had a sniff apparently. The poison chalice might be the only one on offer.

And like you I think he’d be a great appointment for them.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:56 pm

Hbclaret007 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:51 pm
Seems like a decent bloke. Speaks with honesty. He doesn't seem to have what it takes to manage at the top level. Plenty enough money to do something different with his life.

Punditry would suit him better.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 4:57 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:26 pm
Now being reported by all the main men. He's done.

Nixon reckons they want Brentford boss Thomas Frank. Personally can't see any reason why Frank would take that move.

He'd be bat poo crazy to make that move

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:00 pm

https://www.whoscored.com/Teams/31/Fixt ... nd-Everton

Some hard fixtures coming up.

welsbyswife · Post by **welsbyswife** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:02 pm

Surely they already have someone lined up? If not it's just another example of the mismanagement at Everton. Panic. Sack manager. Repeat.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:04 pm

Thomas Frank would be mildly interested I reckon - agree the club is toxic at the moment, but it's a bigger club than Brentford and he's probably seeing his salary shoot up quite significantly at Ev. There's a good base of players to build with, and he may think he's reached something of a ceiling with Brentford, particularly if Toney suffers a long terms suspension. Obviously you've got to back yourself to keep them up first...

Surely the first time a club has fired then hired a manager with the same first name and surname respectively too, which is fairly interesting I suppose.

Dyche should be the choice but it won't be.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:04 pm

welsbyswife wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:02 pm
Surely they already have someone lined up? If not it's just another example of the mismanagement at Everton. Panic. Sack manager. Repeat.

Reports are they don't have anyone lined up yet

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:13 pm

Isn’t Dyche still drawing a wage here? Sure I read that somewhere, or maybe it was just a rumour.

If it isn’t a rumour, please give him a job Everton.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:15 pm

Ladbrokes....
SD 5/2 fav
Ferguson 7/2
Bielsa 4/1
Rooney 7/1

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:20 pm

Frank Lampard was a poor appointment. Too inexperienced into a toxic role that highly successful mangers have failed to turnaround.

The bottom line is Everton have spent £700 million under Moshiri but if the various online transfer sites are to be believed the net spend would leave them 10th in the PL behind the likes of Villa and Wolverhampton Wanderers.

I think Dyche would be a good appointment for Everton but I don't think Everton fans would give him a chance so he'd have to have impact straight away. And tbh I don't think Everton fans would ever really accept him.

I think the best for all parties is to let Frank take them down and the fans to get a dose of realism and the whole club start again with a Dyche like appointment at a point where reality has finally hit home and a Dyche like character is allowed to do his job.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:22 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:15 pm
Ladbrokes....
SD 5/2 fav
Ferguson 7/2
Bielsa 4/1
Rooney 7/1

No chance Sir Alex is coming out of retirement to manage Everton no matter how big a club they are

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:35 pm

Will we be better off financially if Everton appoint Dyche? I still don't know if we're paying him out or what the ins and outs of all that are.

I think it could be Bielsa but we will see - if Bielsa I think longer term would be great for them but would take them down this season - just not enough time to instil his footballing philosophy

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:38 pm

Dominic King saying Everton aren’t considering Dyche for the job. There will be some devastated fans on here when their messiah gets overlooked for another job.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:39 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:22 pm
No chance Sir Alex is coming out of retirement to manage Everton no matter how big a club they are

I was almost looking up odds for Grant McCann back to Peterborough when I saw the name Ferguson on the list.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:10 pm

If he doesn't get the Everton job, then I can't see him walking into another EPL club. If he wants to get back into management, it's going to be with a Championship club if the current Everton job passes him by.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:11 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:22 pm
No chance Sir Alex is coming out of retirement to manage Everton no matter how big a club they are

We all have good days and bad days devil

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:13 pm

This is perfect for Dyche , I’m keeping my fingers crossed he gets the job, certainly deserves another crack at the PL

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:14 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:38 pm
Dominic King saying Everton aren’t considering Dyche for the job. There will be some devastated fans on here when their messiah gets overlooked for another job.

He’s nobody’s messiah , get that into your head

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:16 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:38 pm
Dominic King saying Everton aren’t considering Dyche for the job. There will be some devastated fans on here when their messiah gets overlooked for another job.

Only in your imagination, I suspect.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:16 pm
Only in your imagination, I suspect.

How’s it in my imagination? I’m surprised our fans on here aren’t linking him with jobs at Asda yet, absolute desperation every time a vacancy comes up. People need to let him go.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:20 pm

If he doesn't get the gig you have to seriously reflect on the daft decision that was made extending his contract when some of us could see the wheels were coming off towards the end of his tenure, that's the reason nobody's going in for him & why he's happy as he is seeing things out.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:21 pm

SD seems top of the betting sites to get it. I would have thought a contract until the end of the season with a substantial bonus for keeping them up. I assume he could start within days, he could bring Woan & Stone with him at short notice or someone like Brian Reed. If he succeeded it would virtually guarantee he got the job long term, but it also gives both sides a 4 month window to see if they could work together. It also puts SD back in the window, if he does a good job it raises his profile which at the moment is almost a forgotton one

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:21 pm

So many of their ex players (Currently Alan Stubbs) on Sky Sports saying that the likes of Dyche and Bielsa aren't good enough and then go on to say Rooney and Duncan Ferguson should be considered. Totally Deluded fans and ex players. They need a wake up call, they aint all that and neither will they be in future years unless they begin to realise they're actually not that crap but need a strong manager who will do what the club needs. I think this is nailed on for Dyche to sort them out, but he'll need time IMO.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:22 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm
How’s it in my imagination? I’m surprised our fans on here aren’t linking him with jobs at Asda yet, absolute desperation every time a vacancy comes up. People need to let him go.

Asda's moved on, their product placement strategies are far to creative and adventurous for a manager like Dyche

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:34 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:38 pm
Dominic King saying Everton aren’t considering Dyche for the job. There will be some devastated fans on here when their messiah gets overlooked for another job.

Equally if he does get it people like Shaggy, and maybe you, will get upset that he got a PL job

Cirrus_Minor · Post by **Cirrus_Minor** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:39 pm

I would have thought SD would be a sensible option for them. No compensation for stealing from another club, has a track record of improving results and if they go down a good bet to get them back up. Just need to stop being delusional.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:44 pm

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:39 pm
I would have thought SD would be a sensible option for them. No compensation for stealing from another club, has a track record of improving results and if they go down a good bet to get them back up. Just need to stop being delusional.

No compensation as such towards the other club but a good enough incentive needs to be offered for SD to drop what he's already receiving because he'd lose that taking something else up & that's a massive gamble going in now with evertons position & the fact they can't really strengthen for him to do the maximum. It's not massively appealing I don't think.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:51 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm
How’s it in my imagination? I’m surprised our fans on here aren’t linking him with jobs at Asda yet, absolute desperation every time a vacancy comes up. People need to let him go.

I think most have and certainly nobody would be "devastated" when Dyche doesn't get the job.

I think it's in your imagination every time Dyche is linked, you always seem to crop up with a snide dig at any Burnley fans who happen to think Dyche did a decent job and therefore are happy to wish him well
whatever he chooses to do or not do.

I think maybe you need to let him go.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:58 pm

They're one of the top earning clubs in the world, top 25 or something. Both in the boardroom and in the stands they'll view Dyche as Allardyce MkII, and for a club as resource-committed as they are, especially when you factor in the new stadium, they'll aspire to more than patting themselves on the back at 40 points every season. Yes, Dyche achieved that quite comfortably with us a number of times, and yes, they won't be one of the top earning clubs in the world if they're relegated to the Championship, but you couldn't blame them if they took the view that another Allardyce-type appointment won't break the rut in the long term, even if Dyche going there seems the right appointment in this exact moment.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:59 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm
How’s it in my imagination? I’m surprised our fans on here aren’t linking him with jobs at Asda yet, absolute desperation every time a vacancy comes up. People need to let him go.

That’s right time to let him go and off of the wage bill. The money can be spent elsewhere improving the squad.

Milltown1882 · Post by **Milltown1882** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:51 pm
I think most have and certainly nobody would be "devastated" when Dyche doesn't get the job.

I think it's in your imagination every time Dyche is linked, you always seem to crop up with a snide dig at any Burnley fans who happen to think Dyche did a decent job and therefore are happy to wish him well
whatever he chooses to do or not do.

I think maybe you need to let him go.

He gets mentioned on here more than our actual manager who is on the verge of breaking many records on our way up.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:04 pm

Spiral wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:58 pm
They're one of the top earning clubs in the world, top 25 or something. Both in the boardroom and in the stands they'll view Dyche as Allardyce MkII, and for a club as resource-committed as they are, especially when you factor in the new stadium, they'll aspire to more than patting themselves on the back at 40 points every season. Yes, Dyche achieved that quite comfortably with us a number of times, and yes, they won't be one of the top earning clubs in the world if they're relegated to the Championship, but you couldn't blame them if they took the view that another Allardyce-type appointment won't break the rut in the long term, even if Dyche going there seems the right appointment in this exact moment.

But with 40 points they’re only concern for the rest of the season it may be worth a short term appointment and having a bit more time to consider the future. 7 managers in 8 years suggests the current approach isn’t working.

Personally I hope Rooney gets it, it’ll be hilarious!

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:18 pm

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:01 pm
He gets mentioned on here more than our actual manager who is on the verge of breaking many records on our way up.

No, he doesn't.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:26 pm

Rick_Muller wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:21 pm
So many of their ex players (Currently Alan Stubbs) on Sky Sports saying that the likes of Dyche and Bielsa aren't good enough and then go on to say Rooney and Duncan Ferguson should be considered. Totally Deluded fans and ex players. They need a wake up call, they aint all that and neither will they be in future years unless they begin to realise they're actually not that crap but need a strong manager who will do what the club needs. I think this is nailed on for Dyche to sort them out, but he'll need time IMO.

You are 100% correct in a true football sense he's the ideal candidate but in a financial sense from both perspectives massive bridges need to be erected to overcome a cash strapped club even more so after paying FL out & a man who isn't on a bad number to start with.

box_of_frogs · Post by **box_of_frogs** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:44 pm

Big Dunc might keep them up.

ashtonlongsider · Post by **ashtonlongsider** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:05 pm

I may be in the minority but I don't think Everton will go down. Too many good players that need a bit of organising. I can see SD and Duncan Ferguson as his number 2 being given a chance.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:11 pm

I don't see all these good players at Everton at all, aside from Pickford, Onana and Gordon (just because he's young) I wouldn't take any of the rest. Calvert Lewin had 1 good season in his career, I believe it was the covid season with no fans in the ground.

Tarkowski now been badly badly exposed as an incredibly limited defender who cannot defend unless he's camped in his own 6 yard box. Absolutely all over the place at West Ham when asked to push out his own penalty area, at fault for both goals.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:12 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:11 pm
I don't see all these good players at Everton at all

Me neither.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:13 pm

The risk for Dyche is, if he takes them down. I don’t think he’d get chance to take them back up. It’s a toxic club.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:19 pm

They haven't got a single player in that entire squad who I'd fancy to chip in with 10+ league goals in a season.

Dyche goes in there and parks the bus every game, get Tarkowski looking great defending the comfort of his own 6 yard box. Play for set pieces and hopefully hit the head of Yerry Mina a few times.

It's an incredible risk appointing Dyche and not something Everton fans would accept long term (past this season). If I was an Everton fan, I think I'd rather accept relegation and press the full reset button.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:21 pm

The circumstances already have been created rendering dyche pretty much unemployable unless a club goes all out to get him. There's a very good reason all the jobs he's a fit for are passing by.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:15 pm

KRBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:19 pm
They haven't got a single player in that entire squad who I'd fancy to chip in with 10+ league goals in a season.

Dyche goes in there and parks the bus every game, get Tarkowski looking great defending the comfort of his own 6 yard box. Play for set pieces and hopefully hit the head of Yerry Mina a few times.

It's an incredible risk appointing Dyche and not something Everton fans would accept long term (past this season). If I was an Everton fan, I think I'd rather accept relegation and press the full reset button.

Who should they appoint then? Appointing Dyche is a risk? Really? In they might not get relegated.