ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:21 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:03 pm
I like how you skipped past the facts I put in my post and went straight at Casper, brilliant :lol:
What are the facts you put in your post ?
You mentioned a newspaper article
Is it a “fact” that Dyche was second choice ?

I know it’s a fact that Dyche was chosen first.
I know it’s a fact that he got the Everton job.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Pearcey » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:21 pm

The way I see it is that Everton wanted to interview Bielsa and Dyche. Dyche got the job.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:22 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:35 pm
What was this behaviour on the touchline at U23 games?

If it was just shouting and swearing, then I'm sure that's pretty common.
You’ve obviously not been to many games at that level if you think it’s common.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:23 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:15 pm
where have I said I don’t like Dyche ?
No matter what you think Bielsa was first choice and didn’t get the job because of his outrageous demands , it’s really not that difficult to understand.
If you fail the job interview you’re not generally considered ‘first choice’.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:23 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:18 pm
And how do you know that ?
How much do you think Ancelotti was on ?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21185941 ... dyche/amp/

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:24 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:21 pm
What are the facts you put in your post ?
You mentioned a newspaper article
Is it a “fact” that Dyche was second choice ?

I know it’s a fact that Dyche was chosen first.
I know it’s a fact that he got the Everton job.
I think Casper is a bit upset because he said it was never going to happen, bit embarrassed I expect.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:26 pm

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:24 pm
I think Casper is a bit upset because he said it was never going to happen, bit embarrassed I expect.
Devastated Martin , it’s keeping me awake at nights

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:22 pm
You’ve obviously not been to many games at that level if you think it’s common.
Football coach in swearing shocker.

Whatever next? :o

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:27 pm

End of debate
You win
I can’t compete with The Sun.
Ask Freddie Starr and that poor hamster

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:28 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:26 pm
Football coach in swearing shocker.

Whatever next? :o
Was pointless me responding if that’s how you come back.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:30 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:21 pm
What are the facts you put in your post ?
You mentioned a newspaper article
Is it a “fact” that Dyche was second choice ?

I know it’s a fact that Dyche was chosen first.
I know it’s a fact that he got the Everton job.
Google Bielsa first choice Everton. Every national plus sky sports ran with it.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:30 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:26 pm
Devastated Martin , it’s keeping me awake at nights
It’s clearly eating away at you if your posts on here are anything to go by.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Paulclaret » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:32 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:26 pm
Football coach in swearing shocker.

Whatever next? :o
When I lived in Burnley, I used to go to games at Gawthorpe regularly. Never once did I hear any abuse coming from Andy Farrell or Terry Pashley. Or any visiting coaches come to think of it,
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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Casper2 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:32 pm

martin_p wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:30 pm
It’s clearly eating away at you if your posts on here are anything to go by.
Just answering questions, I thought that’s what you did on a messageboard.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:34 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:30 pm
Google Bielsa first choice Everton. Every national plus sky sports ran with it.
And how would they know ?
Takes one made up story for every national media outlet to report the same story.
Up to you if you choose to believe it.
Does not make it a fact. Far from it.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:36 pm

Paulclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:32 pm
When I lived in Burnley, I used to go to games at Gawthorpe regularly. Never once did I hear any abuse coming from Andy Farrell or Terry Pashley. Or any visiting coaches come to think of it,
Who mentioned abuse? Certainly not me.

If that was what Stone was doing then I agree that's out of order.

If it's just the usual shouting and swearing whilst coaching, then I'd say different people have different ways of expressing themselves. It doesn't make it right, but I would imagine it's pretty commonplace.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:37 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:34 pm
And how would they know ?
Takes one made up story for every national media outlet to report the same story.
Up to you if you choose to believe it.
Does not make it a fact. Far from it.
The Athletic is made up of the most reliable journalists in the country and they reported it massively.

How was Dyche in his interview? Considering it sounds like you were in there with him.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:37 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:36 pm
Who mentioned abuse? Certainly not me.

If that was what Stone was doing then I agree that's out of order.

If it's just the usual shouting and swearing whilst coaching, then I'd say different people have different ways of expressing themselves. It doesn't make it right, but I would imagine it's pretty commonplace.
There’s a significant difference between on pitch abuse and dressing room/training ground abuse. The guy’s a prick.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:38 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:36 pm
If it's just the usual shouting and swearing whilst coaching, then I'd say different people have different ways of expressing themselves. It doesn't make it right, but I would imagine it's pretty commonplace.
You imagine wrong

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:40 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:37 pm
There’s a significant difference between on pitch abuse and dressing room/training ground abuse. The guy’s a prick.
It sounds like you've met him, so I'll have to take your word for it.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:41 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:38 pm
You imagine wrong
Okay then :roll:

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:38 pm
You imagine wrong
Aren't there strong FA guidelines about touch line behaviour for all Academies?

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Elizabeth » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:47 pm

Elizabeth wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:41 pm
It seems strange seeing Dyche as manager of Everton. It’s great to see so many good wishes for him. Every week for so many years he was revered by all Burnley fans and his last couple of seasons doesn’t change history
When I posted this I didn’t know they would then let the children out into the playground , I thought it might have been their bedtime and it was adult time

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:30 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:46 pm
Aren't there strong FA guidelines about touch line behaviour for all Academies?
Very much so. I witnessed Michael Jolley & Michael Duff on the touchline at u23 games and their behaviour was impeccable. When Michael Jackson came in we found ourselves on the opposite side of the pitch so unable to comment on him although he was very positive at the LSC game last season at Accy.

I Just didn’t like Stone’s approach at all.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:44 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:37 pm
The Athletic is made up of the most reliable journalists in the country and they reported it massively.

How was Dyche in his interview? Considering it sounds like you were in there with him.

That’s a pretty dumb thing to say considering you are believing a journalist. Are you thinking he was allowed to sit in the interviews too ?

Ain’t got a clue how Dyche was in the interview.
My guess would be that he was better than Bielsa.
I did hear Dyche got the job though.
Have you heard that too ?

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Milltown1882 » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:48 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:44 pm
That’s a pretty dumb thing to say considering you are believing a journalist. Are you thinking he was allowed to sit in the interviews too ?

Ain’t got a clue how Dyche was in the interview.
My guess would be that he was better than Bielsa.
I did hear Dyche got the job though.
Have you heard that too ?
Bielsa didn’t get it because of his outrageous demands. Why do people keep acting like that’s not the case.

Grand old team is the Everton forum btw so you can continue your Dyche obsession there.

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Post by helmclaret » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:50 pm

Bloody hell… if it was Monday some of you would argue it was Tuesday
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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by martin_p » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:51 pm

helmclaret wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:50 pm
Bloody hell… if it was Monday some of you would argue it was Tuesday
It is Tuesday. Fact!

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:52 pm

But it is Tuesday🤷🏻‍♂️
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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:58 pm

What we have heard from the press is that Bielsa was strong favoured before the interviews with Dyche some way behind. Though at least Everton had the sense to interview more than one candidate and undertale some sort of selection process, however haphazard you may think it was conducted - following that process the selection was Dyche over Bielsa.

So the question is was Bielsa offered the role before Dyche and did he turn them down or did Bielsa come with a set of terms which persuaded Everton not to even offer the role. If you believe the latter then it very much appears that Dyche ended up as first choice.

This is not the first time this has happened - Dyche was not the favoured choice going into the process at Burnley but was very much so by the end of it

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:59 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:48 pm
Bielsa didn’t get it because of his outrageous demands. Why do people keep acting like that’s not the case.

Grand old team is the Everton forum btw so you can continue your Dyche obsession there.
Why would I look at another football forum when I have supported Burnley for 50 years ?

Maybe ask yourself why as a so called supporter of Burnley you want to believe a story from a journalist rather than think that Dyche got the job on merit ? Has Dyche not got a better record in the Premier League than Bielsa ?

Even using words like Dyche obsession says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Pretty pathetic really that you feel this way about the most successful manager in the last 50 years of the club you supposedly support

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Gaia » Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:40 pm

Bielsa was Moshiris choice but his demands were unrealistic, either wanting a new defence as current players were too slow or take over in the summer. Widely reported by journalists and no reason to believe it wasn't true

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by martin_p » Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:07 am

Shaggy wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 12:03 am
Btw people aren’t dissing Dyche by saying that he was largely second choice to Bielsa.
Based on the person who said it and the context it was said he definitely was.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:56 am

Milltown and shaggy have a huge dislike of Dyche but can't seem to stop talking about him. Comes across a bit weird

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Burnley1989 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:01 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:56 am
Milltown and shaggy have a huge dislike of Dyche but can't seem to stop talking about him. Comes across a bit weird
But will tell you they only do it for the bites, because everyone else is obsessed.
I am a bit bored of it all myself now if I’m honest but here I am ready a topic with his name in the title 😂

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by MalaysiaMo » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:03 am

Surely it is not unusual for someone to be regarded as first choice - or the favoured candidate - going into an interview, and for the ranking of candidates to change following interview. What would the point of interviews be otherwise?

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:07 am

Burnley1989 wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:01 am
But will tell you they only do it for the bites, because everyone else is obsessed.
I am a bit bored of it all myself now if I’m honest but here I am ready a topic with his name in the title 😂
Thank god for them and everyone else'e eyes there was no internet as well as a club forum when we sold Jimmy McIIroy to Stoke and some fans stopped going overnight :D They would possibly have combust

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Post by dibraidio » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:21 am

Seems like an incredibly long list of players who've rejected Everton in the last few days. I can't help thinking that it's a massive contrast to what we've seen with VK where the manager is the draw that brings the players to the club. We didn't have that under Dyche and seemingly Everton don't have it now either. I'm not saying that it's SD fault. Can't understand why Everton left the announcement of Dyche and the recruitment so late if they had the intention of strengthening the team.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Dark Cloud » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:31 am

One of the most important signs of a good leader is the people they choose to surround themselves with (and that doesn't simply mean "yes" men). SD is undoubtedly an excellent leader in most respects and by his own admission he constantly studies "leadership" and the art of leadership away from football. But I can't help feeling he's not helped himself in recent years by staying loyal to Steve Stone. Stone had major issues at Newcastle within the youth set up and those issues surfaced again at Burnley. It looks a rare piece of poor judgement by Dyche unfortunately. (IMO)

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Rick_Muller » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:51 am

The argument about first choice or second choice is an exercise in semantics. Whether SD was first choice or not, he is now employed by Everton to manage the team and I dont think he would have taken it on (I know I wouldn't!) if he got the feeling he was the second choice. I suppose it all comes down to how their chairman and SD discussed it and none of us will know about any of that.

It is a little disingenuous to suggest that Bielsa wasn't the favoured appointment at one point though, and likewise also a little disingenuous to suggest that Dyche is not favoured now (because he's in the job!).

I am genuinely interested in how SD does at Everton, and whilst I dont like that club at all now (mainly because of the feeling of entitlement of the fan base over recent seasons) I do also genuinely wish him well in his role and I hope he proves the doubters wrong.

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Post by Robbo1882 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:57 am

1st choice or not, I'm just happy to hear the phrase again like;

Earn the right and sweat on the shirt

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Claretmisterg » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:01 am

When I first starting watching Burnley Harry Potts was the manager. Over that period I cannot recall any Burnley manager going on to great success elsewhere. I am grateful to Dyche for his successful tenure at Burnley and I wish him all the best going forward, but I will be surprised if he can rescue Everton this season. I think they’re too far gone. I will be rooting for him to succeed but if he doesn’t I won’t be that bothered.
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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Steddyman » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:27 am

Everton signed nobody. First nail in the coffin for Sean no doubt for some Everton fans. I would imagine as a player, it would be similar to going to work for twitter after Elon took over. It would make you a better employee, but you'd be expected to put in long hours and hard work every day. Many players probably don't fancy that.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Targetman » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:28 am

Shaggy wrote:
Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:37 am
101 how to close down someone who doesn’t have the same view as yourself.

Wind yer neck in lad, not everyone shares your opinion.
Its blatently obvious that not many Burnley fans share your opinions! :lol:
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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by cbx750 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:34 am

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:27 am
Everton signed nobody. First nail in the coffin for Sean no doubt for some Everton fans. I would imagine as a player, it would be similar to going to work for twitter after Elon took over. It would make you a better employee, but you'd be expected to put in long hours and hard work every day. Many players probably don't fancy that.

Or they don't fancy being chased down the road and surrounded by their own "fans" after losing a game.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by clarethomer » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:42 am

cbx750 wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:34 am
Or they don't fancy being chased down the road and surrounded by their own "fans" after losing a game.
I saw one reported failed transfer attempt on twitter yesterday for Everton where it has said something like the player wanted a more stable project or something.

The board are prepared to pay money for players - the fans have just made it difficult to sign players even with money.

It's interesting that people will see SD as the issue here, there is nothing to suggest this. If he can get the fans behind the team by winning games then Summer may be the time to then see the influence SD has on transfers but not before then.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Paddy1882 » Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:51 am

The rest of this season will be the biggest in his managerial career to date. He’s not at “little old Burnley” now where if you lose your expected too due to the squad, budget etc, he’s at a bigger club nearly 40k fans every other week who expect a certain style of football. He has rightly or wrongly by more than a few it’s fair to say been labelled as a long ball 4-4-2 manager which he always put down to getting the best out of players with the budgets he had which certainly in my opinion a valid point.

He’s now at a club that won’t accept that brand of football, Allardyce finished 8th and was given the boot for precisely that reason. His job is now to change people’s perception of him, while winning games and ultimately keeping a team up that looks dead and buried.

If he does it fair play but if he doesn’t then that’s another relegation on the CV or at least a contribution to one as well as the label of 4-4-2 long ball manager (again rightly or wrongly) sticking for a little while longer. It will be an interesting watch good luck Sean.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by Burnley Ace » Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:08 am

Has there been any news whether Jackson has been offered a role by Dyche?

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by evensteadiereddie » Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:15 am

Paddy1882 wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 9:51 am
The rest of this season will be the biggest in his managerial career to date. He’s not at “little old Burnley” now where if you lose your expected too due to the squad, budget etc, he’s at a bigger club nearly 40k fans every other week who expect a certain style of football. He has rightly or wrongly by more than a few it’s fair to say been labelled as a long ball 4-4-2 manager which he always put down to getting the best out of players with the budgets he had which certainly in my opinion a valid point.

He’s now at a club that won’t accept that brand of football, Allardyce finished 8th and was given the boot for precisely that reason. His job is now to change people’s perception of him, while winning games and ultimately keeping a team up that looks dead and buried.

If he does it fair play but if he doesn’t then that’s another relegation on the CV or at least a contribution to one as well as the label of 4-4-2 long ball manager (again rightly or wrongly) sticking for a little while longer. It will be an interesting watch good luck Sean.
His job will be to make them more difficult to beat, starting with the sorting out of Cody, Tarks and, possibly, Keane.
They'll be a well-drilled outfit and, given a more solid defensive base, should be a little more creative.
His opening games couldn't be much worse but, tbh, its not as if they're miles behind the rest.
It will indeed be interesting.

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Re: ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Post by clarethomer » Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:23 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:08 am
Has there been any news whether Jackson has been offered a role by Dyche?
I doubt he would go or expect an offer. He is very much part of VK's team now. He's in the dugout every game and he seems very much at home from what I have seen of him in that environment
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