• ARTICLE: Sean Dyche is the new Everton manager

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:44 pm**

There were fireworks between Stone and Rodriguez at Gawthorpe at the end.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:39 pm**

taio wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:44 pm
There were fireworks between Stone and Rodriguez at Gawthorpe at the end.

Isn't that sad when it reverts to that, particularly when Jay has given our club so much. I had heard that Jay and Jack Cork had a meeting with Pace about things like this that were going on. The biggest challenge at Everton will be restoring morale, trust and the mood in the dressing room

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:53 pm**

If there’s an issue between a player and a coach the manager needs to sort it out. If you have players going to the chairman rather than the manager that is a big problem.

Whatever happened it has allowed us to rebuild and generate an exciting team to watch again. Therefore, from me, whatever happened it is thanks to Sean for the progress of the club over an amazing decade with many a great memory. I hope he does well at Everton which will be much harder than the brilliant job he did here.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:04 pm**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:39 pm
Isn't that sad when it reverts to that, particularly when Jay has given our club so much. I had heard that Jay and Jack Cork had a meeting with Pace about things like this that were going on. The biggest challenge at Everton will be restoring morale, trust and the mood in the dressing room

I had the feeling Dyche was losing interest towards the end/didn't have the same spark. I think he almost resented the fact a bigger club hadn't come in for him, and deep down he knew Pace and himself had very different ideas.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:08 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:59 am
Long time since those two have played under him , I’d be more interested in what Ben Mee has to say .

Today on SSN - Mee has heaped praise on him

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:09 pm**

taio wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:44 pm
There were fireworks between Stone and Rodriguez at Gawthorpe at the end.

Were there?

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:16 pm**

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:50 pm
for me the issue is one of personality balance - I have no knowledge of the relative coaching merits (they both have the top badges so there is a level of competence) but I see problems when coaches are dour (Woan) and angry (Stone) and nothing to counterbalance that - the latter based on his track record including at our club and compare with all the reports of Loughlan's cheerful positive personality

I then look at what Dyche said about Loughlan and his log of every training session he has ever done, so when Dyche did his annual (in the last few years) - 'What would a new manager do analysis' Loughlan would have a set of sessions ready to go for whatever outcome of that analysis. His personality and fresh sessions then being a natural lift to the players as experience showed this was the way forward.

is there more than co-incidence that things soured at the club in the time Stone was employed there? or that the closer he got to the first team the more they appeared to drop off? All culminating in last season, the first without Loughlan, and the lack of new fresh ideas, an unhappy camp and no belief in the coaches as expressed by Ben Mee and Chris Wood to varying degrees.

Dyche has talked about players becoming stale a number of times, and blames Garlick for that, but the coaching side can be the same, more so with that personality mix - given the available funds a fresh face on the coaching side would have been a great option - one used by Alex Fergusson a number of times - I use Fergusson because I believed Dyche liked to model his role at our club in a similar way. The feeling for me is Dyche needed to be more ruthless on the coaching side and cut one of his long time friends.

Maybe so, but I think this just misses the wider picture. Sean Dyche isn't thick he knows that the Chairman isn't investing and indulging in high profile media posturing to the effect that the club cannot afford to invest in players because of Covid while seeking an LBO.

In the three years prior to the sale , 18/19. 19/20 and 20/21 we had a net spend of around £35 million mainly on Ben Gibson, Matej Vyrda, Jay Rod and Josh Brownhill. Just not enough over 3 seasons to stay in the PL. And yet a season or so later we spent over £50 million on shares.

The transfer policy was no longer really working, the investment was not enough, the club was up for sale and at the end the players knew they were going to have to leave the club or lose half their wages. The squad was no being replenished and numerous senior players are heading towards the end of their contracts with little prospect of renewal for most and the threat of relegation for others.

Yes, Steve Stone joining the club coincided with a downturn but it also coincided with Europe and the deterioration of relationships all round that occurred after that....!.

Ultimately, the leadership team wanted out and that was the prime cause of the issue. You can speculate on the nature of relationships within the club but the buck has to stop with the leadership team.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:29 pm**

Was not Steve Stone suspended for a while when managing the U-23's, allowing the club to carry out an investigation following an allegation by a player

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:31 pm**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:29 pm
Was not Steve Stone suspended for a while when managing the U-23's, allowing the club to carry out an investigation following an allegation by a player

I had it on good authority that he wasn't suspended although he was very much away from the club for a while.

I have to admit that I really don't like Stone. I found his behaviour on the touchline at U23 games totally unacceptable.

As for Woan, got on with him really well, even when I dared to call him a Scouser.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:36 pm**

Mercer won’t be joining Dyche at Everton - Pickford has made it clear he will only work with Alan Kelly.

Shame Billy had been waiting for another pay day…

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:47 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:09 pm
Were there?

Yes.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:47 pm**

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:36 pm
Mercer won’t be joining Dyche at Everton - Pickford has made it clear he will only work with Alan Kelly.

Shame Billy had been waiting for another pay day…

Explains why Pickford is a crap keeper. One midget coaching another.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:55 pm**

Of all of SD's coaches Billy was my favorite. He seemed to have a real connection with the team. He was often the first one to shake hands with a player being substituted and have a consoling word with them

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:59 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:08 pm
Today on SSN - Mee has heaped praise on him

He’s hardly going to say anything controversial on Sky sports , I take it you didn’t see his previous interview

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:00 pm**

Unless some kind of miracle happens in the next 5 hours they will be ending the window weaker than they started it. Some job he has on his hands, they certainly need a lot more than feel and fabric which he kept mentioning in his first club interview to get them out of this mess. Personally think it’s curtains for them.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:00 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:44 am
I’d expect he’d say “thanks Sean….thanks for making me a very rich young man and developing me into a premier league player and giving me a career beyond my wildest dreams after I was struggling as a left back in a team going nowhere quickly in the championship”

And if you had any sense whatsoever as a burnley fan you would be saying something similar and appreciate the most successful manager in 50 years instead of talking utter shite.

Someone else who didn’t see his previous interview

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:04 pm**

Paddy1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:00 pm
they certainly need a lot more than feel and fabric which he kept mentioning in his first club interview to get them out of this mess. Personally think it’s curtains for them.

nicely done!

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:04 pm**

boyyanno wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:44 am
He'd probably spout less crap than you. Only a few weeks ago you were saying he would never get the job weren't you? Best leave the talking about football to those who actually know something about it.

Dyche was Second choice .

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:09 pm**

I think it highly unlikely that Steve Stone could upset senior players and get away with it but that doesn't mean it didn't happen...

I tend to think by the end we had a very human situation where a group of people had achieved everything humanly possible and run out of steam.

The Chairman wanted out - there was little investment - a squad that had given everything was ageing, and the manager and coaching team had got stale and repetitive.

For me, it was that losing run at the end of 20/21 that rang the alarm bells.

We secured a PL place away to Fulham and then just gave up against Leeds losing 4-0, lost 3-0 to Liverpool and then lost to an already relegated pitiful Sheffield United side.

The squad had gone from a hungry outfit looking to climb the table to one that had their flip flops on 3 weeks before the end of the season and prepared to lose 4-0 at home to Leeds.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:10 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:00 pm
Someone else who didn’t see his previous interview

I did but I also saw many of his previous interviews where Mee has been very happy under Dyche.
Are you seriously saying that Dyche is not responsible for the development of Ben Mee ?
And is not Dyche who was kept Burnley in the PL for longer than any other manager has with an equivalent budget which enabled the likes of Ben Mee earning several million pounds a year at his time at Burnley ?

If it’s not Dyche who is the main person responsible for all of this who do you think was ?

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm**

Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:16 pm**

I just can’t fathom why some so-called Burnley fans seem to revel in deriding Sean Dyche. It’s proper sad and proper weird.

Yes, it went stale and yes the football was poor towards the end of his reign but it doesn’t change the fact that he worked wonders and put us on a pedestal above ******* Rovers. He is a bona-fide Burnley legend, one of our club’s all time greats.

Give the man the credit and respect he deserves.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:29 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:10 pm
I did but I also saw many of his previous interviews where Mee has been very happy under Dyche.
Are you seriously saying that Dyche is not responsible for the development of Ben Mee ?
And is not Dyche who was kept Burnley in the PL for longer than any other manager has with an equivalent budget which enabled the likes of Ben Mee earning several million pounds a year at his time at Burnley ?

If it’s not Dyche who is the main person responsible for all of this who do you think was ?

Harry Potter

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:32 pm**

Socrates wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm
Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

If they got behind the team and Manager a bit more instead of booing all the time, they might get something out of this season, bunch of wusses.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:34 pm**

Socrates wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm
Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

Sean Dyche is well versed in zero incomings on Transfer Deadline Day and dealing with the frustration of fans.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:40 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:00 pm
Someone else who didn’t see his previous interview

Ben said on Sky Sports he had rung a couple of the Everton players-no prizes for guessing who. Suspect that call was different to todays interview on SSN

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:41 pm**

Chris Bowden and Darren Bentley could have booked annual leave for 31 Jan each year.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:42 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:34 pm

Sean Dyche is well versed in zero incomings on Transfer Deadline Day and dealing with the frustration of fans.

With luck and SD being bright, he will tap into the mentality of the fans and likely become a Everton hero.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:43 pm**

What a mess that club is in. Sell their big star and then have to scramble around on transfer deadline day trying to sign a striker for a manager thats only been in post for a couple of days. No wonder their fans are cheesed off.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:52 pm**

Socrates wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm
Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:55 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:03 pm**

Pearcey wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:43 pm
What a mess that club is in. Sell their big star and then have to scramble around on transfer deadline day trying to sign a striker for a manager thats only been in post for a couple of days. No wonder their fans are cheesed off.

Par for the course for Dyche.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:08 pm**

CnBtruntru wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:32 pm
If they got behind the team and Manager a bit more instead of booing all the time, they might get something out of this season, bunch of wusses.

The Everton fans I know would 100% agree with you.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:30 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:31 pm
I had it on good authority that he wasn't suspended although he was very much away from the club for a while.

I have to admit that I really don't like Stone. I found his behaviour on the touchline at U23 games totally unacceptable.

As for Woan, got on with him really well, even when I dared to call him a Scouser.

Steve Stone was a nasty little player. Never met him but it wouldn’t surprise me if he was a nasty little man too.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:35 pm**

What was this behaviour on the touchline at U23 games?

If it was just shouting and swearing, then I'm sure that's pretty common.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:35 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:34 pm

Sean Dyche is well versed in zero incomings on Transfer Deadline Day and dealing with the frustration of fans.

Wonder if he will blame the chairman or state the January transfer window is always hard to do business in !

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:41 pm**

It seems strange seeing Dyche as manager of Everton. It’s great to see so many good wishes for him. Every week for so many years he was revered by all Burnley fans and his last couple of seasons doesn’t change history

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:44 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:04 pm
Dyche was Second choice .

He was first choice.
That’s why he’s Everton manager.
You’re embarrassing yourself now.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:45 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:44 pm
He was first choice.
That’s why he’s Everton manager.
You’re embarrassing yourself now.

Read The Athletic article, he was second choice behind Bielsa.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:47 pm**

Socrates wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm
Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

It’s worked. They have just signed Andre Ayew.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:49 pm**

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:45 pm
Read The Athletic article, he was second choice behind Bielsa.

I don’t need to.
The club met both of them and they chose Dyche.
They are the only facts as far as I am aware.

But feel free to post me a link of statement from Everton FC which states that Dyche was second choice and I’ll apologise.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:50 pm**

Socrates wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:14 pm
Everton fans currently mobilising for a protest at their training ground at 7pm.

That will help persuade new signings.

They'll be dancing in the street when Dale Stephens rocks up at the last minute

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:51 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:49 pm
I don’t need to.
The club met both of them and they chose Dyche.
They are the only facts as far as I am aware.

But feel free to post me a link of statement from Everton FC which states that Dyche was second choice and I’ll apologise.

Read the first line of your post. Then the last sentence. Then educate yourself.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:52 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:10 pm
I did but I also saw many of his previous interviews where Mee has been very happy under Dyche.
Are you seriously saying that Dyche is not responsible for the development of Ben Mee ?
And is not Dyche who was kept Burnley in the PL for longer than any other manager has with an equivalent budget which enabled the likes of Ben Mee earning several million pounds a year at his time at Burnley ?

If it’s not Dyche who is the main person responsible for all of this who do you think was ?

So why did Mee say what he said then , don’t know why you having a go at me .

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:54 pm**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 6:40 pm
Ben said on Sky Sports he had rung a couple of the Everton players-no prizes for guessing who. Suspect that call was different to todays interview on SSN

Mee too , but it’s frowned upon on here to say anything contrary.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:54 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:44 pm
He was first choice.
That’s why he’s Everton manager.
You’re embarrassing yourself now.

Oh dear

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:59 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:54 pm
Oh dear

Oh dear what ?
On what basis or evidence do you think he was second choice ? (other than your dislike for him)

At least my basis is a logical one - ie that he got the job.
You don’t think Everton could afford a manager like Bielsa given they employed Ancelotti not long ago ?

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:03 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:59 pm
Oh dear what ?
On what basis or evidence do you think he was second choice ? (other than your dislike for him)

At least my basis is a logical one - ie that he got the job.
You don’t think Everton could afford a manager like Bielsa given they employed Ancelotti not long ago ?

I like how you skipped past the facts I put in my post and went straight at Casper, brilliant

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:15 pm**

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:59 pm
Oh dear what ?
On what basis or evidence do you think he was second choice ? (other than your dislike for him)

At least my basis is a logical one - ie that he got the job.
You don’t think Everton could afford a manager like Bielsa given they employed Ancelotti not long ago ?

where have I said I don’t like Dyche ?
No matter what you think Bielsa was first choice and didn’t get the job because of his outrageous demands , it’s really not that difficult to understand.

Posted: **Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:18 pm**

Casper2 wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:15 pm
where have I said I don’t like Dyche ?
No matter what you think Bielsa was first choice and didn’t get the job because of his outrageous demands , it’s really not that difficult to understand.

And how do you know that ?
How much do you think Ancelotti was on ?

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