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Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by IanMcL » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:09 am

Everton seem lucky to have flogged Gordon for a big wedge...

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by timshorts » Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 am

He's a cock. But that's not a public highway. Its the bit of private road serving the hotel. So that picture is not evidence that he's committing a road traffic offence.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by pushpinpussy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:05 am

timshorts wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:31 am
He's a cock. But that's not a public highway. Its the bit of private road serving the hotel. So that picture is not evidence that he's committing a road traffic offence.

Ive had this argument on this board previously. I will challenge every aspect of a drug or drink drive matter or in this instance driving whilst disqualified.
I could list 15-20 things I would challenge but I will not put them on a public forum.
Does he have a defence? What I would start by doing in this matter is put the burden on the Crown by saying he was not driving on a public road. (if these are my instructions btw). The Crown then need to prove their case.
The law distinguishes a road as being ‘any highway and any other road that is accessible to the public’
So the question that needs to be answered is “do the public have access to it” , it is a confusing law as the same road or place could be deemed ‘private’ or ‘public’ subject on the people using it or the time of day it is in use
There is a lot of new case law on this matter (thank God for Wilkinson’s 30th Edition)
Hope that helps but my advice is challenge, challenge, challenge.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:52 am

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:05 am
Ive had this argument on this board previously. I will challenge every aspect of a drug or drink drive matter or in this instance driving whilst disqualified.
I could list 15-20 things I would challenge but I will not put them on a public forum.
Does he have a defence? What I would start by doing in this matter is put the burden on the Crown by saying he was not driving on a public road. (if these are my instructions btw). The Crown then need to prove their case.
The law distinguishes a road as being ‘any highway and any other road that is accessible to the public’
So the question that needs to be answered is “do the public have access to it” , it is a confusing law as the same road or place could be deemed ‘private’ or ‘public’ subject on the people using it or the time of day it is in use
There is a lot of new case law on this matter (thank God for Wilkinson’s 30th Edition)
Hope that helps but my advice is challenge, challenge, challenge.
Or we could all help society by living by the spirit the law intended, instead of constantly finding loopholes?

Just maybe.....
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by tally » Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:25 am

The name "Richard Head" springs to mind.
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Venkys4eva » Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:30 am

Anyone caught drink/drug driving should face an automatic 10 year ban.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Shaggy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:01 am

Venkys4eva wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:30 am
Anyone caught drink/drug driving should face an automatic 10 year ban.
Whilst I agree with the sentiments there are instances for example the day after when you think you are and feel
Fine but end up blowing just over. Clearly your not drink/drugged it’s just hovering in your system.

Getting caught in the act at/around the time of consumption absolutely no complaints in the hefty ban

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:33 am

He has signed on to play in stripes.
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by IanMcL » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:30 pm

I seem to recall a story, not that long ago, of someone asleep in his drive, behind the wheel. Got done for drink driving.

Also, isn't it a ban on driving full stop?

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:36 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:30 pm
I seem to recall a story, not that long ago, of someone asleep in his drive, behind the wheel. Got done for drink driving.

Also, isn't it a ban on driving full stop?
About 40 years ago I used to kip in my car in Skipton (Saturday night Rock Do's at "The Yorkshireman") my mate who had a studio flat used to take my keys so I hadn't got keys with me... I was woken on consecutive Saturdays (for around 5 weeks) by the police and searched for my keys ... each time I could prove I didn't have the keys ... eventually they left me alone. The fact I was in a sleeping bag must have told them something 😉

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by IanMcL » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:52 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:36 pm
About 40 years ago I used to kip in my car in Skipton (Saturday night Rock Do's at "The Yorkshireman") my mate who had a studio flat used to take my keys so I hadn't got keys with me... I was woken on consecutive Saturdays (for around 5 weeks) by the police and searched for my keys ... each time I could prove I didn't have the keys ... eventually they left me alone. The fact I was in a sleeping bag must have told them something 😉
Billy no mates! 😊

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:58 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:52 pm
Billy no mates! 😊
Not every week buddy 😉



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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by pushpinpussy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:41 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:52 am
Or we could all help society by living by the spirit the law intended, instead of constantly finding loopholes?

Just maybe.....

Ive had this discussion a thousand times. Law and morals don't mix. You remind me of certain people who criticise us and what we do, but when an issue arises you are on the phone in a matter of seconds. Ill keep your license. I will save your marriage. I will save your job.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Stayingup » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:43 pm

tally wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 8:25 am
The name "Richard Head" springs to mind.
Or R. Sole perhaps haha

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by pushpinpussy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:47 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:30 pm
I seem to recall a story, not that long ago, of someone asleep in his drive, behind the wheel. Got done for drink driving.

Also, isn't it a ban on driving full stop?
You appear to be talking about being drunk whilst in charge of a motor vehicle. These are the easiest cases to win. The Crown need to prove, not only that you were in fact “in charge” of the vehicle (with the definition of this not being as straight forward as you may think) but also that you were over the limit. Proving both elements of this offence can be a difficult task.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Awayfromburnley » Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:50 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:41 pm
Ive had this discussion a thousand times. Law and morals don't mix. You remind me of certain people who criticise us and what we do, but when an issue arises you are on the phone in a matter of seconds. Ill keep your license. I will save your marriage. I will save your job.

Nah, I just wouldn't drive if banned. It's really that simple.

I take absolute accountability and responsibility for my actions

If for a bizarre reason I did, I'd accept the punishment.

I can't work out if you're superman /superwoman, or a half qualified solicitor with the ego of superman /superwoman.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by beddie » Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:55 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:36 pm
About 40 years ago I used to kip in my car in Skipton (Saturday night Rock Do's at "The Yorkshireman") my mate who had a studio flat used to take my keys so I hadn't got keys with me... I was woken on consecutive Saturdays (for around 5 weeks) by the police and searched for my keys ... each time I could prove I didn't have the keys ... eventually they left me alone. The fact I was in a sleeping bag must have told them something 😉
I remember those days Bosscat. Did you do the Town Hall dances as well, they’d be before the Yorkshireman opened I think. Afterwards we used to go down to the Tomato Dip on Keighley Road ( remember that?)

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by pushpinpussy » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:18 pm

Awayfromburnley wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:50 pm
Nah, I just wouldn't drive if banned. It's really that simple.

I take absolute accountability and responsibility for my actions

If for a bizarre reason I did, I'd accept the punishment.

I can't work out if you're superman /superwoman, or a half qualified solicitor with the ego of superman /superwoman.
Ill take Superman. Thank you

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:19 pm

beddie wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:55 pm
I remember those days Bosscat. Did you do the Town Hall dances as well, they’d be before the Yorkshireman opened I think. Afterwards we used to go down to the Tomato Dip on Keighley Road ( remember that?)
We were at the Yorkshireman that night "The Satan Slaves" lot came to get some retribution for something from someone ... watched most of it from under a table (safest place to be 🙄)

The Town hall ones were possibly before my time going out in Skipton (late 70's early 80's) and the Tomato dip had become a club in the evenings by then ...

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:22 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:47 pm
You appear to be talking about being drunk whilst in charge of a motor vehicle. These are the easiest cases to win. The Crown need to prove, not only that you were in fact “in charge” of the vehicle (with the definition of this not being as straight forward as you may think) but also that you were over the limit. Proving both elements of this offence can be a difficult task.
The fact that you use the term "win" suggests to me that you see it as a bit of a game.
Surely, if you are a lawyer your first duty is to see that justice is upheld, not trying to find loopholes for criminals.
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by NRC » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:28 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:05 am
Ive had this argument on this board previously. I will challenge every aspect of a drug or drink drive matter or in this instance driving whilst disqualified.
I could list 15-20 things I would challenge but I will not put them on a public forum.
Does he have a defence? What I would start by doing in this matter is put the burden on the Crown by saying he was not driving on a public road. (if these are my instructions btw). The Crown then need to prove their case.
The law distinguishes a road as being ‘any highway and any other road that is accessible to the public’
So the question that needs to be answered is “do the public have access to it” , it is a confusing law as the same road or place could be deemed ‘private’ or ‘public’ subject on the people using it or the time of day it is in use
There is a lot of new case law on this matter (thank God for Wilkinson’s 30th Edition)
Hope that helps but my advice is challenge, challenge, challenge.
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by NRC » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:29 pm

Love this statement from Plod: “As is standard practice, we wouldn’t confirm or deny the identity of anyone who may or may not be part of a police investigation”

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:29 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:22 pm
The fact that you use the term "win" suggests to me that you see it as a bit of a game.
Surely, if you are a lawyer your first duty is to see that justice is upheld, not trying to find loopholes for criminals.
My thoughts exactly

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:38 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:29 pm
My thoughts exactly
Your thoughts exactly but you would effectively be making yourself redundant albeit with an admirable moral stance in doing that. It's just a money making exercise from start to finish our judicial system with money being more important than justice.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by DCWat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:45 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:19 pm
We were at the Yorkshireman that night "The Satan Slaves" lot came to get some retribution for something from someone ... watched most of it from under a table (safest place to be 🙄)

The Town hall ones were possibly before my time going out in Skipton (late 70's early 80's) and the Tomato dip had become a club in the evenings by then ...
I’ve not that name since my school days - one of the “mosher” type lads always reckoned he was “well in with Satans Slaves”. Right bell end he was!

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by bobinho » Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:48 pm

Is he banned from driving?

Is he driving on a public road?

How quick could this `court case` be?

Article says he `could` be banned or worse if it's proved he's committed a crime.

If guilty, scott free would be my guess...

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Post by IanMcL » Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:59 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:48 pm
Is he banned from driving?

Is he driving on a public road?

How quick could this `court case` be?

Article says he `could` be banned or worse if it's proved he's committed a crime.

If guilty, scott free would be my guess...
He is currently banned. That could be increased, although he has numerous priors, it seems. Probably nothing, as you suggest!

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:01 pm

DCWat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:45 pm
I’ve not that name since my school days - one of the “mosher” type lads always reckoned he was “well in with Satans Slaves”. Right bell end he was!
Anyone who reckoned "they were well in with the Slaves" most likely wasn't ... I used to know a couple of chaps in Bradford and Shipley who were and you would not mess with them 🙄...

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Post by Stanbill05 » Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:03 pm

pushpinpussy wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:41 pm
Ive had this discussion a thousand times. Law and morals don't mix. You remind me of certain people who criticise us and what we do, but when an issue arises you are on the phone in a matter of seconds. Ill keep your license. I will save your marriage. I will save your job.
Nope, you have been around weasels and criminals too long. Most people are decent and law abiding and would take their medicine if they happen to screw up. Ironically, my missus would be more likely to leave, if some slimy solicitor got my off something I'd done on a technicality.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by pushpinpussy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 8:19 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:22 pm
The fact that you use the term "win" suggests to me that you see it as a bit of a game.
Surely, if you are a lawyer your first duty is to see that justice is upheld, not trying to find loopholes for criminals.
Of course that goes without saying. I have never and never will mislead a court.

Regarding justice being upheld. Reverse the roles. if the Crown or the Police do not follow the law or breach certain procedures why should they be allowed to get away with it.

Regarding Loopholes. Its not really loopholes that we find anymore. Its the fact that certain authorities do not do their jobs properly and we just follow and abide by the law and inform the courts of this.

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Post by durhamclaret » Sun Feb 05, 2023 3:44 pm

beddie wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:55 pm
I remember those days Bosscat. Did you do the Town Hall dances as well, they’d be before the Yorkshireman opened I think. Afterwards we used to go down to the Tomato Dip on Keighley Road ( remember that?)
I (regrettably) saw the Bay City Rollers in Skipton Town Hall when I lived down there, also frequented the Yorkshireman and t’Dip
Happy Days!

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Feb 05, 2023 4:02 pm

Stanbill05 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:03 pm
Nope, you have been around weasels and criminals too long. Most people are decent and law abiding and would take their medicine if they happen to screw up. Ironically, my missus would be more likely to leave, if some slimy solicitor got my off something I'd done on a technicality.
Most people are decent & law abiding but people are human & make mistakes, you get people with no criminal convictions previously doing things wrong & not thinking straight & then trying to cover their tracks it happens even more when people have intact reputations they are even more desperate to protect. I don't agree with pushpinpussys methods but i also understand the guys got to earn his crust & doing everything by the book & being squeaky clean simply does not pay the bills, I think some people are naively thinking that defence solicitors are some sort of samaritans on a crusade mission, they are just as bent as the crooks their are defending.
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Post by HunterST_BFC » Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:18 pm

and Girlfriend driviing while on mobile phone...

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Post by houseboy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:22 pm
The fact that you use the term "win" suggests to me that you see it as a bit of a game.
Surely, if you are a lawyer your first duty is to see that justice is upheld, not trying to find loopholes for criminals.
Can’t say that lawyers/solicitors have ever been interested in seeing justice upheld. Their interest starts and ends in increasing their reputation as a winner in order to charge higher fees. And finding loopholes is their stock in trade. Otherwise why would an obviously guilty person ever get any representation (and occasionally there are some obviously guilty people). To be honest my dad, who was a law abiding person, used to call lawyers ‘the **** of the earth’.

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Post by timshorts » Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:10 pm

houseboy wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:04 pm
Can’t say that lawyers/solicitors have ever been interested in seeing justice upheld. Their interest starts and ends in increasing their reputation as a winner in order to charge higher fees. And finding loopholes is their stock in trade. Otherwise why would an obviously guilty person ever get any representation (and occasionally there are some obviously guilty people). To be honest my dad, who was a law abiding person, used to call lawyers ‘the **** of the earth’.
You've been watching too much television.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by houseboy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:08 pm

timshorts wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:10 pm
You've been watching too much television.
No...I’ve had too many bad experiences with lawyers/solicitors. Much better than TV experience. Now in the parlance of the legal profession, prove I’m lying.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Spijed » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:20 pm

houseboy wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 9:04 pm
Can’t say that lawyers/solicitors have ever been interested in seeing justice upheld. Their interest starts and ends in increasing their reputation as a winner in order to charge higher fees. And finding loopholes is their stock in trade. Otherwise why would an obviously guilty person ever get any representation (and occasionally there are some obviously guilty people). To be honest my dad, who was a law abiding person, used to call lawyers ‘the **** of the earth’.
Propose a better system than one we have.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by houseboy » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:33 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:20 pm
Propose a better system than one we have.
I can’t. But the system isn’t the problem, the system is great. It’s the people working in it that leave much to be desired and it can’t be changed because the only ones who can change it are the ones running it essentially. It’s like the political system, not just here but in many countries, the system is fine but the ones working in it need fixing.

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by boatshed bill » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:45 pm

Spijed wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:20 pm
Propose a better system than one we have.
Trial By Fire or Drowning?
Worked on the witches :D

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Post by Spijed » Sun Feb 05, 2023 10:46 pm

This might explain things a bit better:
https://www.edenlegalservices.co.uk/how ... is-guilty/
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by chipbutty » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:34 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 1:36 pm
About 40 years ago I used to kip in my car in Skipton (Saturday night Rock Do's at "The Yorkshireman") my mate who had a studio flat used to take my keys so I hadn't got keys with me... I was woken on consecutive Saturdays (for around 5 weeks) by the police and searched for my keys ... each time I could prove I didn't have the keys ... eventually they left me alone. The fact I was in a sleeping bag must have told them something 😉
Surely, your mate in his studio flat, had a 6ft by 3ft space on his floor for you to kip on in aforementioned sleeping bag?

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Duffer_ » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:38 pm

chipbutty wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:34 pm
Surely, your mate in his studio flat, had a 6ft by 3ft space on his floor for you to kip on in aforementioned sleeping bag?
Having seen Bosscat on The Chase, I would have thought a 5' 4" by 3ft space would have been ample 😁

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Post by chipbutty » Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:54 pm

Point being, why kip in car for so many weeks, when he could have kipped on his mates floor?
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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:46 am

chipbutty wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:34 pm
Surely, your mate in his studio flat, had a 6ft by 3ft space on his floor for you to kip on in aforementioned sleeping bag?
I don't think his girlfriend would have wanted a sweaty snoring long haired drunk kipping on the floor every Saturday 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: Big money footballer with disconnected brain

Post by Rowls » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:05 am

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 5:22 pm
The fact that you use the term "win" suggests to me that you see it as a bit of a game.
Surely, if you are a lawyer your first duty is to see that justice is upheld, not trying to find loopholes for criminals.
Hahaha. No, solicitors want to win and yes they often see it as a “game”.
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