2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:24 pm

That's what I'm saying

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:26 pm

keith1879 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:16 pm
I appreciate that your "5 year rolling loyalty points" system is trying to get round a specific problem....but a by-product of this system is that someone who has never actually watched a Burnley game (home or away) prior to 2017 (since when we have played either in the Premier League or at the top of the Championship for one season only) could have a better chance of getting tickets than someone who has watched the club for 50 years and been amassing loyalty points since 2005 during which time we have had plenty of tough seasons in the Championship.

If that is fair .....well I can't think of anything sufficiently impossible to illustrate just how unfair it is.
Don’t change it then. Keep it like it is, keep it at 6000 points, and soon it will be rendered even more useless than it currently is.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:29 pm

The loyalty points system has been in place for 17 year's, if you had been a season ticket holder for those 17 season's and been to 80% of all away games in each one of those 17 season's you'd only have 8.5k/9k have seen claims online from some fan's some really young saying they have 12/16k points 😂 they must spend 1000's in the club shop

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by taio » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:29 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:44 pm
Can't wait for it to rise to 10k and all those above 6k but under 10k start crying when the shoe is on the other foot
I'm above 6k but below 10k. I won't have a problem at all if they raise the priority one threshold. I appreciate that lines have to be drawn and sometimes reviewed and redrawn. In any case it wouldn't have much impact because not many or any away games would sell out at a new priority one category.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:31 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:29 pm
The loyalty points system has been in place for 17 year's, if you had been a season ticket holder for those 17 season's and been to 80% of all away games in each one of those 17 season's you'd only have 8.5k/9k have seen claims online from some fan's some really young saying they have 12/16k points 😂 they must spend 1000's in the club shop
There was one season, can’t remember which, where we got a shed load of points for renewing.

But those online are obviously talking ********
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:31 pm

Gazclaret83 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:20 pm
It should be more points for going away games. I've been ipswich an norwich in the space of a week an gained 20 points haha
I probably agree, but then you could argue that somebody who lives in South London say, doesn't really deserve extra points for going to Millwall on their doorstep.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:34 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:31 pm
I probably agree, but then you could argue that somebody who lives in South London say, doesn't really deserve extra points for going to Millwall on their doorstep.
Fair point

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:37 pm

It's all about loyalty to home games to fair. Them that have the points have clearly been top supporters for a while now. Just gutted I couldn't get a ticket for Blackpool haha oh well

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:45 pm

Gazclaret83 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:20 pm
It should be more points for going away games. I've been ipswich an norwich in the space of a week an gained 20 points haha
I know what you mean, I went to Greece and only got Ten loyalty points 😂

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:46 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:45 pm
I know what you mean, I went to Greece and only got Ten loyalty points 😂


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I went to Greece, Istanbul and Aberdeen and only got 30 ;-)

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:54 pm

Yet you got 50 each for Olympiakos at home if you uploaded to your ST card by the Friday after the away leg.
I was still in Greece by the deadline and very peed off with the club.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Claretforever » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:55 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:42 pm
The ST points needs to be more than 200 as 10 points per game would give you 230 points in a non PL season
Yeah, it’s why I said a rough example as it was just quickly drafted. Though common sense would mean that it’s cheaper to buy a season ticket than pay for all 23 games separately. A season ticket costs about £450, and buying separately might cost £690. You’re right though, perhaps 250 points(it could easily be 25) and the target for priority 1 becomes a little higher.

More layering to that example I gave and finessing it could make it work and be fair to more current supporters and travellers.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jjjack » Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:59 pm

The fairest way to change the loyalty system is multiple tiers.

Priority 1 800 points OR 6000 points + away games last season attended OR 4000 points + 7 away games last season attended etc.

The risk however is that the whole system becomes a closed loop. I have 9000 points, if I had to buy tickets and sell them on to ensure I could go to the away games I wanted then I absolutely would, and I'd feel no shame in doing so as I beleive the system is currently as fair as it can be.

I've been traveling away since 2012, when we couldn't sell our allocations out and had unreserved seating at most of them, the ones who can't secure tickets are victims of our success, sounds like you all joined the party as it got going and feel aggrieved that those of us who were there before you are in front of you in the cake line.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by paulatky » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:03 pm

The biggest flaw in the present system is that probably 50% of those who have got tickets don’t have 6,000 pts of their own , but they know someone who does and use their clarets number through the family and friends link.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:08 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:54 pm
Yet you got 50 each for Olympiakos at home if you uploaded to your ST card by the Friday after the away leg.
I was still in Greece by the deadline and very peed off with the club.
I remember getting 50 for Everton away one year.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Barry_Chuckle » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:10 pm

How about those who travel furthest to home games get most points per home game?
50 miles or less 10 points
51-100 get 20 points
101- 150 get 30 points and so on......

Im being a little facetious, but I'm throwing another idea out there (this one would suit me by the way :D ) but there's nothing better out there than the current system IMO, if bit was changed, folk would moan about anything the current system would be replaced with.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:12 pm

I get it's controversial and this whole process is extremely divisive unfortunately, but in general lots of people want to go to Blackpool, Rovers, Wigan and Preston and don't want to go anywhere else much. Other people do go elsewhere and in fact spend a small fortune going all over the place, even booking accommodation and staying over where necessary. Those people end up with far more points and are much higher up the chain and I don't feel you can reasonably begrudge them that.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jjjack » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:14 pm

I feel like the obvious answer is to increase the amount of points per away game. Having 200 away games in loyalty points between tiers is absurd, I think 50 or 75 points per away games would be sufficient, and would mean that people doing 10 away games over 2 seasons with season tickets would be able to jump up a tier.

However we would have to expand the tiered system we have now, and regularly review it to ensure we don't end up with 70% of fans in the top tier within 5 years.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by clarethomer » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:16 pm

No system will work when demand outstrips supply.

Whatever system you put in place - someone will always miss out on this basis.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:43 pm

We’ve got nearly 10,000 points each but the requirement to have a season ticket too keeps us in even though we miss too many home games for it to be VFM. We just use our adult seats for whoever from the family wants to go on, adult or child. Can’t add child season tickets as there are none free around us so we can never all go on together.

So the whole ticket thing isn’t ideal for many in different ways but logic of “what you have, you hold” rings true. Got to make the best of it.

Will be at Blackpool though.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Targetman » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:45 pm

Gazclaret83 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:20 pm
It should be more points for going away games. I've been ipswich an norwich in the space of a week an gained 20 points haha
Just out of curiosity Gaz how many loyalty points do you have?

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:48 pm

Anyone who went to Ipswich should get 100 points plus one for every minute as it wasn't very good

Its just a coincidence that I went to Ipswich btw
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by MrTopTier » Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:55 pm

3500 tickets for Blackpool.

Internet sales only, any one with a clarets number can apply, one ticket per person.

First come, first served. Everyone has an equal chance then. Loyalty doesn’t need to come into it. Job done, bosh.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by littlemissclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:03 pm

claret wizard wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:14 pm
Only 1 game, Luton, this season, has only been sold to people with over 6000 points.
And randoms in the supporters groups.....

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by littlemissclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:07 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:43 pm
Its a bot account mate

I'm genuinely concerned just how many of you are willing to believe anything they read online as long as it agrees with what you want to say
It's not a bot account, he's a relative of mine.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by nil_desperandum » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:15 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:55 pm
3500 tickets for Blackpool.

Internet sales only, any one with a clarets number can apply, one ticket per person.

First come, first served. Everyone has an equal chance then. Loyalty doesn’t need to come into it. Job done, bosh.
Not everyone has an equal chance if you don't have equal access to the internet when booking opens, and this can be for many reasons.
And I can find other problems with this too.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lancasterclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:15 pm

littlemissclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:07 pm
It's not a bot account, he's a relative of mine.
Fair enough, but he's s**t stirring I suspect with that one

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by ClaretSam92 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:17 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:00 pm
Queue another 6k plus points poster
Correct, and every point earned. Why shouldn't the people who have had a season ticket for decades have first crack at away tickets?

I didn't have enough points to get tickets for the Europa games but I accepted it like a normal person. I certainly wasn't crying myself to sleep about how "unfair" it was like some posters on here

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:23 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:29 pm
The loyalty points system has been in place for 17 year's, if you had been a season ticket holder for those 17 season's and been to 80% of all away games in each one of those 17 season's you'd only have 8.5k/9k have seen claims online from some fan's some really young saying they have 12/16k points 😂 they must spend 1000's in the club shop
Agent, you’re having a melt down today.

I got Huddersfield tickets due to having several people on friends and family.

I have 8000 but my daughter having a break does not.

Today I asked my friends if I could use thier points and so many people want to go they told others they could use them.

So missed out and cannot go.

It’s how it is, there is no better system.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:25 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:55 pm
3500 tickets for Blackpool.

Internet sales only, any one with a clarets number can apply, one ticket per person.

First come, first served. Everyone has an equal chance then. Loyalty doesn’t need to come into it. Job done, bosh.
Ok great, so loads of people apply and one of each group gets a ticket.
Be loads more complaints.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:28 pm

Still yet to see any decent argument against or any better idea than going back to priority for current ST holders, then general sale.

- fans who have committed to that season get an equal chance to buy any away ticket
- no more complaints that kids will never catch up
- no more groups having to wait to buy because one person doesnt have the points
- no more complaints that people are cheating the system by using other's points

I don't really have any truck with the idea that because you go to every away game you're more deserving of a ticket for a particular game. It's your choice to do that, just as it is if someone chooses to live miles away from Burnley so it's not worth a season ticket. Such is life.

The more equal a chance for the majority of people, the better. And I'd bet that the people who go to every away game now would still get a ticket for the majority of away games if we did away with 'loyalty' points.

(Just to clarify, I've got plenty of points and the system works fine for me as it is.)
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:41 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:28 pm
Still yet to see any decent argument against or any better idea than going back to priority for current ST holders, then general sale.

- fans who have committed to that season get an equal chance to buy any away ticket
- no more complaints that kids will never catch up
- no more groups having to wait to buy because one person doesnt have the points
- no more complaints that people are cheating the system by using other's points

I don't really have any truck with the idea that because you go to every away game you're more deserving of a ticket for a particular game. It's your choice to do that, just as it is if someone chooses to live miles away from Burnley so it's not worth a season ticket. Such is life.

The more equal a chance for the majority of people, the better. And I'd bet that the people who go to every away game now would still get a ticket for the majority of away games if we did away with 'loyalty' points.

(Just to clarify, I've got plenty of points and the system works fine for me as it is.)
So if all season tickets holders apply.

I get a ticket, my daughter doesn’t . I don’t want the ticket they offered me. As I don’t go without her.

That would happens loads of times.

People want tickets together. You offer a ticket to a dad and not his kids he is going to refuse. You cannot then go back and offer him tickets as people like me refuse, as you have given seats to people near him and now offer seats to his kids far away from him.

It simply does not work.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:42 pm

Targetman wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:45 pm
Just out of curiosity Gaz how many loyalty points do you have?
4300

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by turbo5 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:43 pm

The subject has been debated to death, it makes no difference what system you employ unless you can match the person to the ticket.
I doubt any U16 has 6000+ points when you consider 350 for ST and 10 points for an away game or cup game. Even someone who does most away games would only get around 600 points per year. So thats 10 years of of every game to get 6000 points Unlikely they were going to every home and away game at 5 year old. Like previously mentioned plenty of people will be using granny / grandads/neighbours/friends/ mates in ticket office etc points, they will be people on the match who haven't even got a season ticket.
A fair system for me would require a ST that year , then accrued away day points. I would suggest distance travelled attracts more points but that can be unfair if you live and work in the south. Maybe they could do it off your home address but it would-be hard to manage.
I would issue away day season ticket cards /maybe combine it with you home card. it would have your photo on the card like a driving license . all the clubs would sign up to it. Finger print or retina ID is too time consuming (you only have to compare to airports to realise that) When you are queuing up for the ticket machine at a game a steward can randomly check your ST . if your card doesn't match your mug shot or any ID you have. entry is refused and the card taken and returned to the club. It would also keep out banned individuals
Personally not too bothered about this game, I have other plans in the evening, but I feel for genuine fans who will miss out because of others abusing the system
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Loyalclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:46 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:28 pm
Still yet to see any decent argument against or any better idea than going back to priority for current ST holders, then general sale.

- no more complaints that people are cheating the system by using other's points
People without season tickets could borrow the log ins from those that do?

I'd keep it the same as it is, it's a couple of games a season. Hardly worth it from the clubs POV to change it

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:49 pm

Loyalclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:46 pm
People without season tickets could borrow the log ins from those that do?

I'd keep it the same as it is, it's a couple of games a season. Hardly worth it from the clubs POV to change it
I remember it use to be last 2 attended home games for priority for away games??????

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Targetman » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:56 pm

Gazclaret83 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:42 pm
4300

Keep going to as many away games as you can, loyalty points aside, this season will remain in your memory for many years because of the excellent team that we have.

A season like this doesn't come along very often for us Clarets!
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:57 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:41 pm
So if all season tickets holders apply.

I get a ticket, my daughter doesn’t . I don’t want the ticket they offered me. As I don’t go without her.

That would happens loads of times.

People want tickets together. You offer a ticket to a dad and not his kids he is going to refuse. You cannot then go back and offer him tickets as people like me refuse, as you have given seats to people near him and now offer seats to his kids far away from him.

It simply does not work.
No idea what you're on about here? Apply? You'd buy them the same way as now, with friends and family. Same way people buy tickets for gigs, theatres and pretty much every event ever.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:00 pm

Loyalclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:46 pm
People without season tickets could borrow the log ins from those that do?

I'd keep it the same as it is, it's a couple of games a season. Hardly worth it from the clubs POV to change it
They could indeed but I'd wager that the vast majority of those who go away have a season ticket anyway.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by chipbutty » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:02 pm

If somebody uses another person's "points" to buy a ticket, what does that matter?
Hypothetically, it is just the same as the owner of the "points" using them, isn't it?
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by FeedTheArf » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:03 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:41 pm
So if all season tickets holders apply.

I get a ticket, my daughter doesn’t . I don’t want the ticket they offered me. As I don’t go without her.

That would happens loads of times.

People want tickets together. You offer a ticket to a dad and not his kids he is going to refuse. You cannot then go back and offer him tickets as people like me refuse, as you have given seats to people near him and now offer seats to his kids far away from him.

It simply does not work.
Why would you be offered tickets separately? Your daughter would be in your friends and family so you’d purchase both at the same time.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by D8BFC » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:05 pm

What about us who went to Hereford, Aldershot, Scunthorpe, Maidstone, Scarborough before the points allocation was needed.

Stop moaning and get on with it ffs
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:07 pm

D8BFC wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:05 pm
What about us who went to Hereford, Aldershot, Scunthorpe, Maidstone, Scarborough before the points allocation was needed.

Stop moaning and get on with it ffs
How many loyalty points do you have then :lol:

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by D8BFC » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:08 pm

Gazclaret83 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:07 pm
How many loyalty points do you have then :lol:
Not as many as I should. But I do have a “proper fan” badge ;)

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:08 pm

D8BFC wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:08 pm
Not as many as I should. But I do have a “proper fan” badge ;)
Fair play :D
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Gazclaret83 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:10 pm

D8BFC wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:08 pm
Not as many as I should. But I do have a “proper fan” badge ;)
Proper fans will be at millwall haha
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:13 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:57 pm
No idea what you're on about here? Apply? You'd buy them the same way as now, with friends and family. Same way people buy tickets for gigs, theatres and pretty much every event ever.
Your saying 12000 season ticket holders can apply, who do they give them to then.

First ones to press the buy button??

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:14 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:13 pm
Your saying 12000 season ticket holders can apply, who do they give them to then.

First ones to press the buy button??
Yes. Obviously.

I didn't say anything about applying. You just buy them as normal.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by FeedTheArf » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:14 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:28 pm
Still yet to see any decent argument against or any better idea than going back to priority for current ST holders, then general sale.
I’ve just been on to get tickets for tomorrow night and I’ve got 8930 points which I suspect would be enough to get top priority for any away game. I used to go on maybe 5-6 away games a year. I’ll likely only go to Rovers this season for the promotion party but I do agree with your suggestion, even if it meant missing out on the odd game. Fact of the matter is that if you can get online when tickets go on sale you’re going to be fine for 99% of games. It’s straightforward enough to manage and would resolve the issue with kids tickets.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lowbankclaret » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:14 pm

FeedTheArf wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:03 pm
Why would you be offered tickets separately? Your daughter would be in your friends and family so you’d purchase both at the same time.
So your saying the first to press the buy button at 10am.

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