2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Claret Till I Die » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:55 am

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by buzzclarets79 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:55 am

Find it amazing that people are complaining can’t get tickets for Blackpool away in months time yet tonight it’s £15 and it appears that plenty of seats left, good chance of progressing in the FA Cup.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:59 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:55 am
So somebody who just buys a season ticket because we're in the Prem has the same chance as somebody who's followed us home and away the last 30 years? Personally think that's the worst suggestion yet.
Someone who gets bought their first season ticket aged five or at 16 when they start working has absolutely nothing to do with Someone born 30 plus years ago

Also if these are the only people that will be at Blackpool then fair enough buy it won't be
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jimmymaccer » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:00 am

Jimscho wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:58 am
They could let anyone with say 6000 points buy 1 adult and 1 child ticket.If you have 2 children you could then pick your favourite child to take with you😀
And the “spare” child could stay at home and write a book about why they hate their dad and brother….,,,
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:01 am

Jimmymaccer wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:00 am
And the “spare” child could stay at home and write a book about why they hate their dad and brother….,,,
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:02 am

Down_Rover wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:50 am
I have read this thread with interest. Several points arise.

1. Three of my family attend. My daughter and I have 8000+, my son has about 4800. So we fall into that gap that irritate many in here

2. I will not be going to Blackpool, largely because fans with high levels of points have ‘given’ their points to others. This makes matters worse as the loyalty points cannot be earned by people in lower levels.

3. I do not understand the fixation on rewarding ‘away fans’.
Many of use travel a distance to get to home games, so why prefer away fans?
If there is a heavy bias to away fans then we will end up with the same fans going to every away game so it solves nothing. I agree 10 points is too low but that any increase should apply to home games too

4. Despite its flaws nobody on this thread has come up with a better plan. The flaw is that too many people cheat and jump the queue because they can .
I think the current one should work if policed properly. Something like sending untransferable virtual tickets to registered phone numbers like Liverpool do. I think match attendance should be rewarded by say 25 points per game

Finally we all have to come to terms with the fact that demand exceeds supply. We have to understand that we will be unlucky from time to time
.what does irk here is the likelihood that it is not the system that has failed but people have cheated it
I'm not taking issue with anything you've said there Down Rover, but I will say I don't believe there's an obsession with rewarding away fans unrealistically when, as you say, it's only 10 points per game. The biggest reward comes from renewing season tickets year after year and rightly so. I do wonder how many people who have been "failed" by this ticketing system recently, are people who at various times haven't renewed season tickets or maybe didn't renew during or immediately after Covid as loads said openly on here that they wouldn't be.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:02 am

buzzclarets79 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:55 am
Find it amazing that people are complaining can’t get tickets for Blackpool away in months time yet tonight it’s £15 and it appears that plenty of seats left, good chance of progressing in the FA Cup.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:17 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:31 pm
There was one season, can’t remember which, where we got a shed load of points for renewing.

But those online are obviously talking ********
I think your first paragraph (!!) is correct....it explains why I have slightly more points than my purchase history seems to suggest.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:21 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:28 pm
Still yet to see any decent argument against or any better idea than going back to priority for current ST holders, then general sale.

- fans who have committed to that season get an equal chance to buy any away ticket
- no more complaints that kids will never catch up
- no more groups having to wait to buy because one person doesnt have the points
- no more complaints that people are cheating the system by using other's points

I don't really have any truck with the idea that because you go to every away game you're more deserving of a ticket for a particular game. It's your choice to do that, just as it is if someone chooses to live miles away from Burnley so it's not worth a season ticket. Such is life.

The more equal a chance for the majority of people, the better. And I'd bet that the people who go to every away game now would still get a ticket for the majority of away games if we did away with 'loyalty' points.

(Just to clarify, I've got plenty of points and the system works fine for me as it is.)
Not enough differentiation, You are offering tickets to an initial population of 14000 people

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:28 am

Down_Rover wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:50 am
I have read this thread with interest. Several points arise.

1. Three of my family attend. My daughter and I have 8000+, my son has about 4800. So we fall into that gap that irritate many in here

2. I will not be going to Blackpool, largely because fans with high levels of points have ‘given’ their points to others. This makes matters worse as the loyalty points cannot be earned by people in lower levels.

3. I do not understand the fixation on rewarding ‘away fans’.
Many of use travel a distance to get to home games, so why prefer away fans?
If there is a heavy bias to away fans then we will end up with the same fans going to every away game so it solves nothing. I agree 10 points is too low but that any increase should apply to home games too

4. Despite its flaws nobody on this thread has come up with a better plan. The flaw is that too many people cheat and jump the queue because they can .
I think the current one should work if policed properly. Something like sending untransferable virtual tickets to registered phone numbers like Liverpool do. I think match attendance should be rewarded by say 25 points per game

Finally we all have to come to terms with the fact that demand exceeds supply. We have to understand that we will be unlucky from time to time
.what does irk here is the likelihood that it is not the system that has failed but people have cheated it
But how do you have virtual tickets if the away club doesn't have that technology?

It's all well and good using Liverpool as an example but they rarely play lower league sides (FA. & League cup), but even they will have to issue paper tickets when the need arises.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:35 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:55 am
So somebody who just buys a season ticket because we're in the Prem has the same chance as somebody who's followed us home and away the last 30 years? Personally think that's the worst suggestion yet.
Yes. They've committed for that season same as every other ST holders. It shouldn't matter what they've done for the last 30 years, that was their choice.

It's unlikely that someone who buys a ST just because we're in the PL is suddenly going to start going to all the aways as well. Those people will be in a minority. But even if they did, so what? There could be myriad reasons why they didn't have a ST before, it shouldn't matter.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:36 am

keith1879 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:21 am
Not enough differentiation, You are offering tickets to an initial population of 14000 people
Why should there be differentiation?

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:48 am

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:15 am
The points system needs to be scrapped

It doesn't really reward fan's for away game attendance does it with 10 points

Children that can't abuse the system and don't have a older relative (wrongley) to borrow their loyalty points from will never catch up to the top tier of points

Even if a child has a season ticket from 5 years old and is taken out of school to attend midweek games away and goes to all available games that go to general sale will only pick up around 500 points a season, they will have to be taken out of school and go to 80% of every away game for 12 years just to reach 6k points by then it would of been increased at least once its almost impossible to reach the top limit, these are the future clarets and there has to be a way of them catching up to parent's points totals, this is my problem I've got almost 10k points but two younger fan's in my group that travel don't have the max 6k and will probably never catch up if it increases again and again, I've got to wait until the points total drops for me to be able to buy for all three of us but it always sells out, yes that's hard luck on my behalf but the future fan's aren't being looked after I don't know the answer but it definitely needs a shake up
And part of the problem is because so many people abuse it, just sitting back and waiting is naive if you know people with the numbers. It's a vicious circle which just encourages more people to abuse it.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:54 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:36 am
Why should there be differentiation?
In general, I do agree with where you're coming from. The whole better class of fan argument does bug me. But I do think there has to be a way of looking after ST holders who travel to 80%+ of away games. I think with a simple solution like you propose, with a number being reserved for the die-hards also encourages both away attendance at far flung places and ST purchases. It's a win win for the club.

From a commercial point of view, that's where the club could even introduce away fan ST or membership which prioritises them for away tickets.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:01 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:36 am
Why should there be differentiation?
It's just practicality. You're trying to allocate (say) 2000 tickets to maybe 6000 people who want them. You want some system that has smallish groups so that you can allocate by some sort of objective criteria. Otherwise it's just an on-line queue.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:04 am

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:54 am
In general, I do agree with where you're coming from. The whole better class of fan argument does bug me. But I do think there has to be a way of looking after ST holders who travel to 80%+ of away games. I think with a simple solution like you propose, with a number being reserved for the die-hards also encourages both away attendance at far flung places and ST purchases. It's a win win for the club.

From a commercial point of view, that's where the club could even introduce away fan ST or membership which prioritises them for away tickets.
The away season ticket thing only works if you limit the numbers to the capacity of the smallest away end - or exclude the smallest capacity games from it.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:20 am

I sit on the James Hargreaves upper...and near me are a couple of old boys. One of them first saw a game in 1947 and the other in 1950. They have had season tickets every year in that stand and as far as I know have been regular attenders at home for 50 years or more. Not sure about their Away history but they certainly don't go now. I estimate that they each have just over 6000 loyalty points. On the other side of me is a guy who started watching in the 1990s. He also has had a season ticket every year since the stand was built and he goes to pretty well every away game. He has 10,000 points plus.
I started in the 1960s going to the occasional game with my Dad but really got into it in the 1970s. I have been to most home games since and a hell of a lot of away games in the 80s and 90s. Like the others I have had season tickets every year since the stand was built and since the loyalty system started I have been to 60 or 70 away games. Some of them high demand ones - some not. I have about 8000 points.

The guy with 10000 points is surely a good fan by any definition and he uses his own points for his own purchases.
I'm OK - I will never again aim to attend every single game as I used to for some seasons in the old 3rd division. I'm not going to Blackpool by choice.
What about the two old boys? When we got to the Aberdeen tie it was our first game in Europe for 51 years. They may have had enough points to get a ticket.

Could I have looked them in the eye and said that actually some 25 year old scroat who had never watched Burnley before about 2013 but went to all the awy games since was more entitled to a ticket than they were?

An extreme example of course - but beware of simplistic solutions.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:22 am

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:04 am
So the issue is that the current system prevents people taking kids to away games, thus depriving the club of the lifeblood of the next generation of fans, whilst simultaneously allowing lots of kids who couldn't possibly have 6000 points to go to away games because they use other people's tickets?
Yes - I had noticed that too......
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by keith1879 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:26 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:58 pm
We should implement a system whereby you get awarded 100 loyalty points per game multiplied by a factor of how many miles you live away from the venue. So for example, if you live 82 miles from the venue you get awarded 100 loyalty points multiplied by 0.82 - and therefore are awarded 82 loyalty points for that particular game. The less loyal fans who don't travel as far, say for example someone who lives just 4 miles from the ground, would get 4 loyalty points.

I would also introduce a 'green incentive', so travelling by car would carry a penalty which further diminishes the points, but travelling on foot, by train or supporters coach would be rewarded with a points multiplier. So far example the person who lives 4 miles away could walk to the game and receive a loyalty points multiplier of 5, bringing their points total to 20, whereas the person who is on 82 loyalty points has a tough decision, as if they drive they would be penalised by a factor of 0.2, whereas the more expensive train would only carry a penalty of a factor of 0.8. Then we could maybe take people's household income into account, technically the more wealthy people are less loyal so they get rewarded less than those who have to scrimp and save for a ticket - I just haven't figured out how we would do that yet. Then we just need a way to make sure that kids can't attend away games.

Either that or we just keep it the same.
Don't be ridiculous. You haven't taken into account the weather.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:26 am

keith1879 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:01 am
It's just practicality. You're trying to allocate (say) 2000 tickets to maybe 6000 people who want them. You want some system that has smallish groups so that you can allocate by some sort of objective criteria. Otherwise it's just an on-line queue.
An online queue works for every other type of event, many events way bigger than Burnley away games. There's no need to differentiate. We're all supporters.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:57 am

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:54 am
In general, I do agree with where you're coming from. The whole better class of fan argument does bug me. But I do think there has to be a way of looking after ST holders who travel to 80%+ of away games. I think with a simple solution like you propose, with a number being reserved for the die-hards also encourages both away attendance at far flung places and ST purchases. It's a win win for the club.

From a commercial point of view, that's where the club could even introduce away fan ST or membership which prioritises them for away tickets.
Fair points but I don't agree with the concept of charging for the privilege of buying tickets. In a way the ST already does that, its one of the reasons for getting one.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:03 pm

keith1879 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:20 am
Could I have looked them in the eye and said that actually some 25 year old scroat who had never watched Burnley before about 2013 but went to all the awy games since was more entitled to a ticket than they were?

An extreme example of course - but beware of simplistic solutions.
I don't know about you but i could have. Not sure why you'd refer to someone who has a season ticket and has been to every away game for the previous 5 years as a 'scroat'. Is it because they are 25?

It's a bit ageist that, Keith.

Not sure why the old boys and the 25 year old shouldn't have an equal chance. If the 25 year old had been born the same time as the old boys, who's to say he wouldn't have been to every away game since? What I'm saying is it shouldn't be dependent on when you were born. That's pot luck

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:04 pm

ChorltonCharlie wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:54 am
In general, I do agree with where you're coming from. The whole better class of fan argument does bug me. But I do think there has to be a way of looking after ST holders who travel to 80%+ of away games. I think with a simple solution like you propose, with a number being reserved for the die-hards also encourages both away attendance at far flung places and ST purchases. It's a win win for the club.

From a commercial point of view, that's where the club could even introduce away fan ST or membership which prioritises them for away tickets.
If there is an away season ticket how do you deal with the issue of say 3000 away season ticket holders, but with an away allocation at places such as Luton where demand would still outstrip supply?

Who then decides who gets the tickets in that instance?

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jjjack » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:19 pm

The loyalty system we have now works fine. The people moaning are the people in the brackets down who don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by bumba » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:29 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 am
I agree. I'm not even coming at this from a selfish "I've got 9000 points..why are there so many kids getting tickets and i can't" angle. I have the points. If I want to sit with my daughter (as any parent would) then I need to buy together. At present that means me either waiting until they are on general sale or getting a number off someone with the points..and they claim the 10 points.
I've heard the line"well there's plenty of other games where there are enough tickets"...but it's a b*llocks argument. My daughter has claimed some loyalty this season..I think from Cardiff away..and could have a couple more where I wasn't risking it.....

...but it's 10 points a game. The gaps are 2000. She'd have to wait for 200 games to get to general sale to do a level. How in gods name is that realistic?
Having a season ticket speeds it up...but it's 6 seasons to get a level that way. The kids don't stand a chance and the only way they will get tickets for a game like this is to use somebody elses number..basically cheating the system.

It really shouldn't be like that. Kids are the future of the club. There simply has to be a way to get kids who travel all over the country..as my daughter does with me to these games. It's totally nonsensical.
I get both sides of the argument, my son cannot qualify for 6k points yet so we use friends who don't go so he can book a ticket with me otherwise we could both miss out. He absolutely loves away days I'd hate to take that enjoyment from him.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:31 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:04 pm
If there is an away season ticket how do you deal with the issue of say 3000 away season ticket holders, but with an away allocation at places such as Luton where demand would still outstrip supply?

Who then decides who gets the tickets in that instance?
You set away season ticket sales to the amount of the smallest available away end that season so for example this years away season ticket sales would only be available to 1000 max the same what Luton holds

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:33 pm

Jjjack wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:19 pm
The loyalty system we have now works fine. The people moaning are the people in the brackets down who don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.
And the ones that aren't moaning were either born at least 18 years ago or abuse the system by using someone else's points other than that you are correct :roll:
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:36 pm

Jjjack wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:19 pm
The loyalty system we have now works fine. The people moaning are the people in the brackets down who don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.
You could also say the people moaning about alternatives to the current system equally don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.

Nobody is entitled to a ticket.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jjjack » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:38 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:36 pm
You could also say the people moaning about alternatives to the current system equally don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.

Nobody is entitled to a ticket.
I would like to see the amount of points given for away games/cup games increased, but then the brackets would need to be redesigned.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Down_Rover » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:39 pm

Perhaps there should be two tier allocations

Maybe one fifth of tickets could be allocated to fans under 22 maybe selling tier one at say 3/4000 points

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Jjjack » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:41 pm

I think it should also be pointed out that if you started attending during the first Prem season, then you would be in the category 2 bracket for away games, without having to have attended anything other than league games. Even if you started watching at the beginning of Dyches tenure, with cups and away games you should be into priority 2 by now.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Spijed » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:50 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:31 pm
You set away season ticket sales to the amount of the smallest available away end that season so for example this years away season ticket sales would only be available to 1000 max the same what Luton holds
Which defeats the object of getting an away season ticket as the priority system would be exactly the same as it is now.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Oldparkwood » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:51 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:36 pm
You could also say the people moaning about alternatives to the current system equally don't understand they aren't entitled to everything in life.

Nobody is entitled to a ticket.
You are if you have 6000 points! As far as I’m concerned there is nothing wrong with the system. All different scenarios have their flaws. And some people will always be left without a ticket that feel aggrieved
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:00 pm

tom210 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:51 pm
You are if you have 6000 points! As far as I’m concerned there is nothing wrong with the system. All different scenarios have their flaws. And some people will always be left without a ticket that feel aggrieved
You're not entitled to a ticket, even with 6000 points, as we have more people with 6000 points than most away allocations.

You're entitled to the chance to buy before people with fewer points, under the current system, which is wide open to abuse. That's what people are concerned about.

I'm fine with the current system too, as it works in my favour, but I can see its unfair to some, hence my suggestion to make it fairer to more people.

Yes, there will always be people who miss out but if everyone has an equal opportunity to buy one, then it's a fairer system.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by GetIntoEm » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:02 pm

they could increase the prices, or have a paid membership scheme. enough to put some people off

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by turbo5 » Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:32 pm

Seeing suggestions for a different points based system which encourages younger supporters . (Sounds good to encourage younger supporters ) but if only 3500 tickets are available those younger fans will be taking tickets off people who would have normally been able to buy one .
What next more points based on your sexuality or ethnicity ?

Harsh facts: it’s a loyalty system for the people who have followed their team the most

Make it fair by introducing a system that links the ticket with the person named to stop using other people points
If you have 10000 points and you don’t want to go it shouldn’t be transferable to someone who doesn’t qualify for a ticket

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:10 pm

Spijed wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:50 pm
Which defeats the object of getting an away season ticket as the priority system would be exactly the same as it is now.
No it wouldn't

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:20 pm

How many people would realistically buy an away season ticket? I'd say 500 absolute tops. If we go up and have a few seasons struggling near the bottom interest will soon drop off again.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by OakworthClaret » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:58 pm
We should implement a system whereby you get awarded 100 loyalty points per game multiplied by a factor of how many miles you live away from the venue. So for example, if you live 82 miles from the venue you get awarded 100 loyalty points multiplied by 0.82 - and therefore are awarded 82 loyalty points for that particular game. The less loyal fans who don't travel as far, say for example someone who lives just 4 miles from the ground, would get 4 loyalty points.

I would also introduce a 'green incentive', so travelling by car would carry a penalty which further diminishes the points, but travelling on foot, by train or supporters coach would be rewarded with a points multiplier. So far example the person who lives 4 miles away could walk to the game and receive a loyalty points multiplier of 5, bringing their points total to 20, whereas the person who is on 82 loyalty points has a tough decision, as if they drive they would be penalised by a factor of 0.2, whereas the more expensive train would only carry a penalty of a factor of 0.8. Then we could maybe take people's household income into account, technically the more wealthy people are less loyal so they get rewarded less than those who have to scrimp and save for a ticket - I just haven't figured out how we would do that yet. Then we just need a way to make sure that kids can't attend away games.

Either that or we just keep it the same.
So do I get points for traveling to home games as I don’t live in Burnley
Also I journey share with my son who lives in queensbury so my trip to a home game is Oakworth -Queensbury-Halifax-Hebden Bridge-Burnley.
I also need to throw into the equation I have an EV
Complicated calculation so just leave with points system

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:40 pm

turbo5 wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:32 pm


Harsh facts: it’s a loyalty system for the people who have followed their team the most

Only because they are older (generally)

I'm fine with the current system, because I've over 6000 points but I'm more than open to that changing to a ballot or quoons idea tbh

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:43 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:20 pm
How many people would realistically buy an away season ticket? I'd say 500 absolute tops. If we go up and have a few seasons struggling near the bottom interest will soon drop off again.
Does it matter if 50 or 500 buy one, the fact is if you did buy one you are guaranteed a ticket like you do at home.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by OakworthClaret » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:58 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:26 am
An online queue works for every other type of event, many events way bigger than Burnley away games. There's no need to differentiate. We're all supporters.
An online queue would work for those who don’t work and can get online to ticket office when the workers are working.
Surely this would benefit those older supporters who have 6k points who those campaigning for change want to get in front of

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Pickles » Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:59 pm

Only loosely on topic maybe but just back from Hamburg and St. Pauli's ticketing, shop and website is miles better than ours. They have a really functional simple resale option built into their site.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:04 pm

OakworthClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:58 pm
An online queue would work for those who don’t work and can get online to ticket office when the workers are working.
Surely this would benefit those older supporters who have 6k points who those campaigning for change want to get in front of
Release them at the weekend. Works for Glastonbury on a Sunday.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:12 pm

OakworthClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:30 pm
So do I get points for traveling to home games as I don’t live in Burnley
Also I journey share with my son who lives in queensbury so my trip to a home game is Oakworth -Queensbury-Halifax-Hebden Bridge-Burnley.
I also need to throw into the equation I have an EV
Complicated calculation so just leave with points system
Of course you get points for travelling to home games, otherwise it would just be silly. So your situation is simple;

You travel from Oakworth to Burnley which is just 18 miles, so whilst you're more loyal than those who live in Burnley, you're could be a lot more loyal. So your base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.18 = 18 loyalty points.

Your son is a bit more loyal than you, living 25 miles away, however BFC don't care that you pick your son up. So his base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.25 = 25 loyalty points.

The fact that you travel in an EV is great news for both you and your son, as not only are you both moderately loyal Burnley fans, you have a greater conscience. So rather than being penalised by the High-Carbon Factor (HCF)' of 0.2, which would bring your loyalty points down to 3.6 points and 5 points respectively, you are rewarded with a Green Incentive Multiplier (GIM) of 1.5 - bringing your loyalty points total to 27, and your son's to 37.5.

And bingo, you'll be getting tickets for Bloomfield Road in no time, provided we ever play there again.
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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by OakworthClaret » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:18 pm

I can see the system crashing

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Claret Till I Die » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:19 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:04 pm
Release them at the weekend. Works for Glastonbury on a Sunday.
But what if people work weekends?

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:21 pm

Down_Rover wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 9:50 am
I have read this thread with interest. Several points arise.

1. Three of my family attend. My daughter and I have 8000+, my son has about 4800. So we fall into that gap that irritate many in here

2. I will not be going to Blackpool, largely because fans with high levels of points have ‘given’ their points to others. This makes matters worse as the loyalty points cannot be earned by people in lower levels.

3. I do not understand the fixation on rewarding ‘away fans’.
Many of use travel a distance to get to home games, so why prefer away fans?
If there is a heavy bias to away fans then we will end up with the same fans going to every away game so it solves nothing. I agree 10 points is too low but that any increase should apply to home games too

4. Despite its flaws nobody on this thread has come up with a better plan. The flaw is that too many people cheat and jump the queue because they can .
I think the current one should work if policed properly. Something like sending untransferable virtual tickets to registered phone numbers like Liverpool do. I think match attendance should be rewarded by say 25 points per game

Finally we all have to come to terms with the fact that demand exceeds supply. We have to understand that we will be unlucky from time to time
.what does irk here is the likelihood that it is not the system that has failed but people have cheated it
Well loads of people have (although maybe you don't think it's a better plan.

Loyalty points that expire after a few years mean that those who go regularly would get to the required thresholds quicker, and give more incentive to buy using their own number, rather than chasing an ever-increasing target.

Of course it may mean that you will be rewarded more for going to recent games rather than seeing us lose at Hereford 35 years ago but at some point the club probably has to move with the times.

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:12 pm
Of course you get points for travelling to home games, otherwise it would just be silly. So your situation is simple;

You travel from Oakworth to Burnley which is just 18 miles, so whilst you're more loyal than those who live in Burnley, you're could be a lot more loyal. So your base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.18 = 18 loyalty points.

Your son is a bit more loyal than you, living 25 miles away, however BFC don't care that you pick your son up. So his base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.25 = 25 loyalty points.

The fact that you travel in an EV is great news for both you and your son, as not only are you both moderately loyal Burnley fans, you have a greater conscience. So rather than being penalised by the High-Carbon Factor (HCF)' of 0.2, which would bring your loyalty points down to 3.6 points and 5 points respectively, you are rewarded with a Green Incentive Multiplier (GIM) of 1.5 - bringing your loyalty points total to 27, and your son's to 37.5.

And bingo, you'll be getting tickets for Bloomfield Road in no time, provided we ever play there again.
Surely a full car should gain more points than driving solo?

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Re: 2022/23: Blackpool v Burnley – Ticket Information

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:26 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:12 pm
Of course you get points for travelling to home games, otherwise it would just be silly. So your situation is simple;

You travel from Oakworth to Burnley which is just 18 miles, so whilst you're more loyal than those who live in Burnley, you're could be a lot more loyal. So your base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.18 = 18 loyalty points.

Your son is a bit more loyal than you, living 25 miles away, however BFC don't care that you pick your son up. So his base loyalty point calculation is 100 points x 0.25 = 25 loyalty points.

The fact that you travel in an EV is great news for both you and your son, as not only are you both moderately loyal Burnley fans, you have a greater conscience. So rather than being penalised by the High-Carbon Factor (HCF)' of 0.2, which would bring your loyalty points down to 3.6 points and 5 points respectively, you are rewarded with a Green Incentive Multiplier (GIM) of 1.5 - bringing your loyalty points total to 27, and your son's to 37.5.

And bingo, you'll be getting tickets for Bloomfield Road in no time, provided we ever play there again.
The club struggle to send tickets to the correct people and correct address.
There’s more chance of building a ladder to Mars than adopting a system with this level of complexity at our ticket office !!

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