The government’s ‘white paper’ review is published today
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The government’s ‘white paper’ review is published today
This is going to be very interesting. Talk of the abolishment of parachute payments, creating an independent regulator and more.
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Fair play to Rick Parry being very keen for the Football league to get a bigger share of the Premier League money. Such a shame he didn't do more when he was the CEO at the Premier league.
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/more ... 0c0a33dd24
This is interesting, talks that rules around visa's may be relaxed for young foreign players coming over
This is interesting, talks that rules around visa's may be relaxed for young foreign players coming over
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No mention of para payments in the attached article.
Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/new-independ ... 1677144287
Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/new-independ ... 1677144287
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Be interesting to see what powers they actually have
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Mentioned it on talksport this morning that there were rumours of the parachute payments being scrapped. We will have to wait and see what comes out thoughsummitclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:30 amNo mention of para payments in the attached article.
Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/new-independ ... 1677144287
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Clubs having to prove good governance and provide business models is going to make plenty of owners twitch with nervousness
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If parachute payments are stopped it will just create a league where only the wealthy clubs can compete. Clubs such as ours won’t be able to offer the same contracts without the security of them. If you sign players on a 3 or 4 year deal when promoted and you only last a year in the prem you are fooked without them.
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Very easy to fabricate business models though. For example, there are plenty of fake Arab organisations with those lavish sponsorship deals.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 10:36 amClubs having to prove good governance and provide business models is going to make plenty of owners twitch with nervousness
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Sorry I should have elaborated, it would be replaced by a wealth distribution model that supports clubs in the pyramid.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:05 amIf parachute payments are stopped it will just create a league where only the wealthy clubs can compete. Clubs such as ours won’t be able to offer the same contracts without the security of them. If you sign players on a 3 or 4 year deal when promoted and you only last a year in the prem you are fooked without them.
What that is or how that looks I don’t know.
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Mandatory Relegation clauses solves all of it.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:05 amIf parachute payments are stopped it will just create a league where only the wealthy clubs can compete. Clubs such as ours won’t be able to offer the same contracts without the security of them. If you sign players on a 3 or 4 year deal when promoted and you only last a year in the prem you are fooked without them.
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They solve a large proportion of it for sure...but no all. A club that is relegated from the PL will naturally have other costs and financial commitments in its cost base that it will need to exit from without a cliff edge.
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My comment was about the players contracts that the other person was talking about.
Players wages tend to make up the majority of expenses for clubs, but they're the least regulated.
I've said for a while now that mandatory relegation clauses would solve a lot of problems.
I also think Spain has a workable system that we could use here despite fans claiming we can't do such a thing
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There will be lots of expensive lunches eaten but little, if anything, will get done
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Wouldn't that just make most likely relegation candidates even less attractive to players?
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The broad strokes sound good, but it depends what loopholes will be left. If there are any, you can be sure that a club/owner will find it and use it to take advantage. The devil's in the detail.
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If every single club has to have relegation clauses, then it won't matter.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:05 pmWouldn't that just make most likely relegation candidates even less attractive to players?
They can still add incentives to entice players but ultimately agents and players need to enter the real world and understand that clubs are no longer going to be able to pay PL wages if they drop down.
They'll get used to it
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They wont all do it though. The clubs with wealthy owners will continue as now and well run clubs wont be able to compete. What needs to happen is spending outside the EPL needs to be reduced to sustainable levels. Money coming into the game as a result of the EPL should not be used to allow the overspending to continueGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:46 pmIf every single club has to have relegation clauses, then it won't matter.
They can still add incentives to entice players but ultimately agents and players need to enter the real world and understand that clubs are no longer going to be able to pay PL wages if they drop down.
They'll get used to it
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I think they're on about capping wages to turnover at about 75%, which is a good idea, although Rovers might disagree because theirs still exceeds income.Eddiebfc wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 1:41 pmThey wont all do it though. The clubs with wealthy owners will continue as now and well run clubs wont be able to compete. What needs to happen is spending outside the EPL needs to be reduced to sustainable levels. Money coming into the game as a result of the EPL should not be used to allow the overspending to continue
We used a very good bonus scheme to incentivise our players and it generally worked.
With all the things Man City have done/been caught doing, then you'd hope a new regulatory body would keep a closer eye on things across the game.
Level of debt to owners also needs to be addressed, to prevent the next collapse when an owner no longer has the funds, similar to Brum with Yeung.
Lots needs to be done, but we have to start somewhere
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Not really because players will avoid the smaller clubs who are going to be in and around relegation.
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3 clubs have to come down every season.PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:40 pmNot really because players will avoid the smaller clubs who are going to be in and around relegation.
6-7 clubs fight relegation every season, including clubs who've been in the PL for years
Are you saying players will avoid signing for 6-7 PL clubs because of a relegation clause that's mandatory?
Even if that club gives them a chance to show their ability in the PL, thus gaining a move to a mid table club?
Nothing preventing mid table clubs having a nightmare season either, like West Ham this time round.
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I doubt any bottom 6 club would have a chance of strengthening (by signing PL quality players) in the January window under these rules.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:50 pm3 clubs have to come down every season.
6-7 clubs fight relegation every season, including clubs who've been in the PL for years
Are you saying players will avoid signing for 6-7 PL clubs because of a relegation clause that's mandatory?
Even if that club gives them a chance to show their ability in the PL, thus gaining a move to a mid table club?
Nothing preventing mid table clubs having a nightmare season either, like West Ham this time round.
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If the British government decided that all Premier League players must be on certain contracts unfavourable to players in relegation battles, less players would want to play in the Premier League and the quality would drop. Not convinced it's a favourable outcome.
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PL quality isn't really a useful descriptionboatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:55 pmI doubt any bottom 6 club would have a chance of strengthening (by signing PL quality players) in the January window under these rules.
Some on here said Ben Mee wasn't PL quality yet there he is.
Players sign for these lower end clubs as a means to an end.
They're not planning on staying there for their whole career if they can help it, this applies to our summer signings
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Mandatory relegation clauses for every club in the 4 leagues isn't making it unfavorable to players, nor will it make them less likely to sign.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:04 pmIf the British government decided that all Premier League players must be on certain contracts unfavourable to players in relegation battles, less players would want to play in the Premier League and the quality would drop. Not convinced it's a favourable outcome.
With a bit of luck Agents get reined in too, with their fees
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And I'm not convinced that a conservative government should be in favour of wage capping, which in effect relegation clauses aredaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:04 pmIf the British government decided that all Premier League players must be on certain contracts unfavourable to players in relegation battles, less players would want to play in the Premier League and the quality would drop. Not convinced it's a favourable outcome.
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Interesting, but I am not going to hold my breath. When we finally get into the nitty gritty of what this may contain and indeed there are any serious implications for the 'establish clubs', then expect a procession of never-ending legal battles. But still, Interesting.
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Does not matter what happens, the big clubs will always be treated differently, spend massive sums & sign the best players. I’ve always said there is too much money & too many dodgy individuals involved at the top table for it not to be bent.
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A wage cap isn't the same thing as a relegation clause.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 6:34 pmAnd I'm not convinced that a conservative government should be in favour of wage capping, which in effect relegation clauses are
Spain have a budget cap in their football and it works, that's more restrictive than a relegation clause.
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You are arguing against any points made against this proposal,GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:52 pmA wage cap isn't the same thing as a relegation clause.
Spain have a budget cap in their football and it works, that's more restrictive than a relegation clause.
Perhaps you should state exactly what you think is good about it and why?
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I'm countering the usual excuses trotted out against changes to the game that should better ensure the future and safety of football clubs.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:00 pmYou are arguing against any points made against this proposal,
Perhaps you should state exactly what you think is good about it and why?
For some reason, people are dead against changes to the game that if done right should be a good thing, but those same people will weep and wail when the likes of Bury disappear due to **** poor financial management by shady owners.
We all sit and laugh at Rovers being in debt to their owners to the tune of £200 million, but that isn't really a healthy way to run a football club/community asset etc.
Clubs seem unable to control their finances, they've got used to running up huge debts and relying on either a rich owner or the football creditors rule which means they can go into administration and wipe out millions they owe to local businesses but carry on operating...like Leicester.
Or we have Portsmouth dropping like a stone down the leagues and having several shady owners who don't have the money they claim etc.
What I'd like is for football to be better ran, more sustainable and not have clubs propped up by owners who're covering the debt whilst they're willing/able but then leaving the club a mess when they sell up.
I'd also like to see a stop put to agents absolutely rinsing football to line their own pockets.
Apparently we can't have any financial caps in English football, it would make it uncompetitive, but they seem to manage fine with it in Spain, yet the PL wage bill is twice that of the next European league
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https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1640 ... NhMaA&s=19
It's being claimed that the PL weren't very helpful, unsurprisingly
It's being claimed that the PL weren't very helpful, unsurprisingly