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The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:32 pm
by NRC
If they win all 12 they have 93 points. We need to win 6
If they win 11 from 12 they have 90 points. We need to win 5
If they win 10 from 12 they have 87 points. We need to win 4
If they win 9 from 12 they have 84 points. We need to win 3
If they win 8 from 12 they have 81 points. We need to win 2
If they win 7 from 12 they have 78 points.We need to win 1
Draws not included. Worst case, we need to win 50% of our remaining games. So far we have won 65%
Certainly puts some clarity onto it
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:34 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
Go and lay down in a dark room
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:35 pm
by NRC
I’m on Weggy watch
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:37 pm
by Greenmile
...s
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:41 pm
by jdrobbo
FOUR
MORE
WINS
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:46 pm
by NRC
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:41 pm
FOUR
MORE
WINS
Not factual, Robbo… but if we’re speculating I would say three
Re: The Middlesbrough "MYTH"
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:49 pm
by Bosscat
NRC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:32 pm
If they win all 12 they have 93 points. We need to win 6
If they win 11 from 12 they have 90 points. We need to win 5
If they win 10 from 12 they have 87 points. We need to win 4
If they win 9 from 12 they have 84 points. We need to win 3
If they win 8 from 12 they have 81 points. We need to win 2
If they win 7 from 12 they have 78 points.We need to win 1
Draws not included. Worst case, we need to win 50% of our remaining games. So far we have won 65%
Certainly puts some clarity onto it
Have corrected the thread title
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm
by Bosscat
jdrobbo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:41 pm
FOUR
MORE
WINS
I reckon we will get 8 more from the 12 games left
playing like we did yesterday
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:52 pm
by NRC
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm
I reckon we will get 8 more from the 12 games left
playing like we did yesterday
Possibly, but we don’t need to
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:53 pm
by BigAlClaret
Play like yesterday and it will be more like 12
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:56 pm
by jdrobbo
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm
I reckon we will get 8 more from the 12 games left
playing like we did yesterday
I need a rest….too many pictures of people smiling…in fact, don’t make it stop!!
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:56 pm
by NRC
The four more games from Robbo is to win in at Blackburn. Middlesbrough would have to lose in 3 of the next four for that to happen (I think)
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:00 pm
by Rileybobs
We are mathematically up. Stop fretting.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:00 pm
by martin_p
I reckon two wins will be enough. If Boro average two points a game until the end of the season, which is normally considered promotion form, then they’re on 81 points. Two more wins takes us to 82.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:01 pm
by Goody1975
NRC wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:56 pm
The four more games from Robbo is to win in at Blackburn. Middlesbrough would have to lose in 3 of the next four for that to happen (I think)
Are we beating Fleetwood?
If the answer is yes then we aren't playing Blackburn on the 18th March.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:02 pm
by Stalbansclaret
Maths
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:03 pm
by RVclaret
martin_p wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:00 pm
I reckon two wins will be enough. If Boro average two points a game until the end of the season, which is normally considered promotion form, then they’re on 81 points. Two more wins takes us to 82.
Their ppg under Carrick has been 2.22
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:07 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
Barring a Devon Loch style collapse, we must be more than a shoe in for promotion. We really need to finish as league winners to mark this wonderful season.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:10 pm
by martin_p
RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:03 pm
Their ppg under Carrick has been 2.22
I don’t think they’ll maintain that, but even if they do it’s only an extra 2-3 points over 12 games, so three wins for us rather than two.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:39 pm
by KlyBfc
I normally fall on the pessimistic side, however even I have no doubt we are going up this year. Total focus for me is on the title and if / when we will win it. As someone who is away for the Sunderland home and boro away games, I can live with missing being officially promoted but I hope to high heaven I don’t miss us winning the title.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:43 pm
by Nori1958
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:00 pm
We are mathematically up. Stop fretting.
Factually wrong
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:44 pm
by AGENT_CLARET
Three things I'd like to see us achieve over the rest of this season
Win the title
Get a minimum of 100 points
Beat B@stards
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:47 pm
by Robbie_painter
If the race for the title was a boxing match the ref would’ve called it by now
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:47 pm
by Rileybobs
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:43 pm
Factually wrong
We’ve been promoted for so long that the fat lady has died of old age.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:48 pm
by taio
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:44 pm
Three things I'd like to see us achieve over the rest of this season
Win the title
Get a minimum of 100 points
Beat B@stards
And get to Wembley
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:48 pm
by Rileybobs
Robbie_painter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:47 pm
If the race for the title was a boxing match the ref would’ve called it by now
Judging by Saturday’s ref I’m surprised they already haven’t.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:48 pm
by gtclaret
We are 1/20 to win the league and 1/100 for promotion, I think that says it all
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:55 pm
by Nori1958
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:47 pm
We’ve been promoted for so long that the fat lady has died of old age.
No doubt, but not mathematically, as you stated
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:00 pm
by Sozturf7
And if my Aunt had b.. ls she'd have been my uncle.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:03 pm
by Ampth7
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 4:50 pm
I reckon we will get 8 more from the 12 games left
playing like we did yesterday
Only 8 more wins based on yesterdays performance? I do appreciate that Uddersield are gash, but if we play like we did yesterday, I reckon we win more than 8 regardless of the fact we have to play b******s and Boro away and Sheff U at home.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:05 pm
by Tribesmen
We are up , dont worry about ifs , but's and maybe's
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:05 pm
by Ampth7
Sorry Bosscat, I had missed your winky smile face emoji which I am assuming is sarcasm?
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:07 pm
by Rileybobs
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:55 pm
No doubt, but not mathematically, as you stated
I stand by my claim. They don’t hand out A-levels in mathematics to just anyone.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:22 pm
by bfcmik
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:07 pm
I stand by my claim. They don’t hand out A-levels in mathematics to just anyone.
I'll bet you have a 3 whiteboard formula that proves we are promoted. A-level Maths is not really an indication of numeracy if I remember rightly.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:24 pm
by Spijed
taio wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:48 pm
And get to Wembley
Does getting to the semifinal count as playing at Wembley in the traditional sense* because we've already played there just a few seasons ago against Spurs?
*only the final should be played there btw.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:26 pm
by Bosscat
Ampth7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:05 pm
Sorry Bosscat, I had missed your winky smile face emoji which I am assuming is sarcasm?
Me .... Sarcasm and winky smiley face emoji's ... as if
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:27 pm
by taio
Spijed wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:24 pm
Does getting to the semifinal count as playing at Wembley in the traditional sense* because we've already played there just a few seasons ago against Spurs?
*only the final should be played there btw.
Yes it'd count because that's where we'd be playing.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:29 pm
by Bosscat
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:44 pm
Three things I'd like to see us achieve over the rest of this season
Win the title
Get a minimum of 100 points
Beat B@stards
Bugger just beating 100 points ...
I want VK to mastermind a record breaking season and break "107 points ... minimum"
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:30 pm
by Rileybobs
bfcmik wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:22 pm
I'll bet you have a 3 whiteboard formula that proves we are promoted. A-level Maths is not really an indication of numeracy if I remember rightly.
It was a long time ago, but I believe the course was split into mechanics and statistics. However I distinctly remember a module in statistics where the tutor proved that a team with a 19 point gap to third position with just 12 games remaining were mathematically certain to win promotion. I’ll try and dig out my course notes.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:34 pm
by Bosscat
Rileybobs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:30 pm
It was a long time ago, but I believe the course was split into mechanics and statistics. However I distinctly remember a module in statistics where the tutor proved that a team with a 19 point gap to third position with just 12 games remaining were mathematically certain to win promotion. I’ll try and dig out my course notes.
No need Riley
we believe you ... Honest
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:38 pm
by IanMcL
Middlesbrough fans would donate a kidney for 7 wins!
Title: Maths in the UK. Math in America.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:53 pm
by Ampth7
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 6:26 pm
Me .... Sarcasm and winky smiley face emoji's ... as if
Thought so……. Thank you for confirming
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:44 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
I have a golden rule for these things which has never let me down - as soon as the word mathematically even enters the conversation, before it becomes factually true, it is in essence done.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:08 pm
by ijkay
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:44 pm
Three things I'd like to see us achieve over the rest of this season
Win the title
Get a minimum of 100 points
Beat B@stards
add 100 goals
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:50 pm
by scouseclaret
Goody1975 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 5:01 pm
Are we beating Fleetwood?
If the answer is yes then we aren't playing Blackburn on the 18th March.
We might be…wouldn’t that be something!
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:16 pm
by edenclaret
Can anyone mathematically intelligent with 15 minutes to spare look at the fixtures and inform as to their best guess as to which match will be the most likely one that we win the title?
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:21 pm
by agreenwood
I was reading the other day that in the last 30 years the average points total for a 3rd place finish in the Championship was just under 83 and the highest 3rd place total was 90.
It’d be a surprise this season saw a 3rd placed team get the highest total in 30 years.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:26 pm
by Spike
I don’t think we will lose again this season
We will win the league comfortably
Only question is with how many points
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:32 pm
by agreenwood
Last 10 years 3rd place points tally:
2021/22 = 82 (Huddersfield)
2020/21 = 87 (Brentford)
2019/20 = 81 (Brentford)
2018/19 = 83 (Leeds)
2017/18 = 88 (Fulham)
2016/17 = 85 (Reading)
2015/16 = 89 (Brighton)
2014/15 = 86 (Norwich)
2013/14 = 85 (Derby)
2012/13 = 77 (Watford)
Can’t see Boro getting a better tally than the best years from the above, so we’re looking at a maximum of 12 points required in my view.
Re: The Middlesbrough math
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:39 pm
by bfcmik
If we beat Sheff U at home then we only need another 7 wins and a draw to guarantee being Champions. If we beat Middlesbrough then we only need 5 wins to be mathematically certain. However we only have 5 points spare if we are to beat Reading's point record
