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Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:39 pm
by HunterST_BFC
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:42 pm
by 4midable
Guaranteed promotion weeks ago
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:45 pm
by HunterST_BFC
Do the math
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:54 pm
by Bosscat
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:56 pm
by bfcmik
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:54 pm
MATHS
we are not American
HunterST_BFC may be!
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:03 pm
by HunterST_BFC
bfcmik wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:56 pm
HunterST_BFC may be!
How dare you !
Lancs 100%
Is bfcmik Irish ? (obv' in jest)
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:30 am
by dsr
And with Luton drawing, that means we will clinch promotion if we win the next two.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:03 am
by Claretmisterg
dsr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:30 am
And with Luton drawing, that means we will clinch promotion if we win the next two.
Just so. Beat Sunderland then we are promoted if we win at Middlesbrough. JUSTICE
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:46 am
by alwaysaclaret
Just said on another thread, sheff utd lose either of the next 2 and we win next 3 I think we're champions.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:51 am
by Marty Dobson
HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:03 pm
How dare you !
Lancs 100%
Is bfcmik Irish ? (obv' in jest)
That's another americanism you prick. (0bv' in jest)
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm
by NRC
According to page 324 in the Statistics of the Colonies of the British Empire, published in 1839 it is Math
https://books.google.com/books?id=PaUNA ... th&f=false
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:09 pm
by basil6345789
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:13 pm
by Rowls
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:15 pm
by roperclaret
Mathematics. Strictly speaking Math is correct.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:16 pm
by roperclaret
Or Math’s
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:13 pm
by Claret Toni
1839
Language evolves.
Maths
It's evolved
We don't speak Shakespeare's English any more (well not the the Turf, from what I've heard)
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:23 pm
by LoveCurryPies
Claret Toni wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:13 pm
We don't speak Shakespeare's English any more (well not the the Turf, from what I've heard)
Well all’s well that ends well!
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:27 pm
by The Centre Spot
Have you all decided if we're calling it Math or Maths?
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:37 pm
by elwaclaret
The majority of Americanism is in fact old English. The Boston accent is believed to be the most authentic of how much of England communicated with each other in the seventeen hundreds, while local dialect was the everyday vocabulary, uniformity was needed for trade.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:30 am
by boatshed bill
LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:23 pm
Well all’s well that ends well!
Yep: As you like it
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:20 am
by Tribesmen
The Centre Spot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:27 pm
Have you all decided if we're calling it Math or Maths?
Sums
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:22 am
by ClaretTony
Given that Luton, Millwall & Blackburn all have to play each other - we are now guaranteed a top four place.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am
by ClaretTony
The Centre Spot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:27 pm
Have you all decided if we're calling it Math or Maths?
Maths - always has been and always will be here, only the Americans managed to drop the s off the abbreviated word.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am
by MT03ALG
Americans
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:24 pm
by RicardoMontalban
Falling out over whose shortened version of a word is correct is peak UTC.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:19 pm
by FigSlice
I thought the most authentic old English accent in the USA is found on Tangier Island in Chesapeake Bay.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:29 pm
by Rowls
MT03ALG wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am
Americans
They prefer to be called the singular, American.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:29 pm
by Rowls
FigSlice wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:19 pm
I thought the most authentic old English accent in the USA is found on Tangier Island in Chesapeake Bay.
Cheapskate bay? Sounds nice.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:31 pm
by Bosscat
Rowls wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:29 pm
Cheapskate bay? Sounds nice.
Its Cheapskates Bay
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm
by Goobs
Was much ado about nothing anyway
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:52 pm
by Bosscat
Goobs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:50 pm
Was much ado about nothing anyway
Alls well that ends well though
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:58 pm
by Volvoclaret
Chesapeakes Bays
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:00 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Maths / math, legends / heroes, tomato / potato, its all the same at the end of the day
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm
by Goobs
Bosscat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:52 pm
Alls well that ends well though
A comedy of errors from you there Boss as that one has already been used
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:02 pm
by Volvoclaret
Let's call the whole thing off
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:18 pm
by Bosscat
Goobs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:01 pm
A comedy of errors from you there Boss as that one has already been used
Now is the winter of discontent
Made glorious summer by this Son of York
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:40 pm
by Volvoclaret
Bosscat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:18 pm
Now is the winter of discontent
Made glorious summer by this Son of York
And got his ass kicked by Lancastrians.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:55 pm
by Bosscat
Volvoclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:40 pm
And got his ass kicked by Lancastrians.
No twas the "House of Lancaster" nowt to do with Lancashire
Henry 7th was actually born in Pembrokeshire
Murdering Welsh bugger
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:57 pm
by Vegas Claret
Bosscat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:54 pm
MATHS
we are not American
I've been over here for about 14 years and it still does my head in !!
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:29 pm
by Volvoclaret
Bosscat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:55 pm
No twas the "House of Lancaster" nowt to do with Lancashire
Henry 7th was actually born in Pembrokeshire
Murdering Welsh bugger
House of Lancaster.....is not Lancaster the County town of Lancashire?
You're right of course, the Tudors were Welsh, Twyders which was Anglisized, but still stuffed the House of Yorkies.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:33 pm
by Bosscat
Volvoclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:29 pm
House of Lancaster.....is not Lancaster the County town of Lancashire?
You're right of course, the Tudors were Welsh, Twyders which was Anglisized, but still stuffed the House of Yorkies.
Similarly House of York nowt to with Yorkshiremen either
but hey ho as long as it gives you something to cling to ... its OK
oh and its Anglicised
to be pedantic
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:05 pm
by NRC
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am
Maths - always has been and always will be here, only the Americans managed to drop the s off the abbreviated word.
that's clearly incorrect on all counts (sic), witnessed by my post earlier up in the thread. It hasn't always been, and it's not just the Americans
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:56 pm
by Volvoclaret
You pedantic ????? Never. Btw I wouldn't cling to a Yorkie at any price.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:18 pm
by Targetman
The word 'sport' has now become 'sports', simply because thats how it is termed in America.
The word 'twice' seems to have now been erased from the English language and replaced by 'two times', again I believe an American import.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:22 pm
by Volvoclaret
So it's not just me that has noticed the dearth of twice. Mind you I still use thrice!
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:13 pm
by elwaclaret
Targetman wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:18 pm
The word 'sport' has now become 'sports', simply because thats how it is termed in America.
The word 'twice' seems to have now been erased from the English language and replaced by 'two times', again I believe an American import.
That substitution of twice makes most linguists wince. I can understand the internationalisation of English but the number of words being lost is going to make English language no more agile than other European languages… the main reason it was adopted for trade in the first place.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:33 am
by RicardoMontalban
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:13 pm
That substitution of twice makes most linguists wince. I can understand the internationalisation of English but the number of words being lost is going to make English language no more agile than other European languages… the main reason it was adopted for trade in the first place.
I don’t think English as the ‘lingua franca’ has anything to do with its agility, it’s a notoriously contradictory language compared to other European tongues.
The preeminence of English as a global language through the modern period has much more to do with the power of its native speakers ie The British Empire and all the political and trade dominance that came with it at a time the the world was becoming truly global. With the accession of American power this has only be solidified, and it’s the cultural and political dominance of the US that has gradually lead to their ‘version’ of the mother tongue becoming more widespread.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:01 pm
by elwaclaret
RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:33 am
I don’t think English as the ‘lingua franca’ has anything to do with its agility, it’s a notoriously contradictory language compared to other European tongues.
The preeminence of English as a global language through the modern period has much more to do with the power of its native speakers ie The British Empire and all the political and trade dominance that came with it at a time the the world was becoming truly global. With the accession of American power this has only be solidified, and it’s the cultural and political dominance of the US that has gradually lead to their ‘version’ of the mother tongue becoming more widespread.
A good argument but the ‘American version’ of English is like saying Lancastrian is the same as Queens English. If you go to parts of Missouri it is a distinctively different language to the seventeenth century pronunciation they use in Boston. While Emperialism certainly played its role, English was adopted as the language of trade before either the British Empire became dominant any of the Dutch, French and Dutch Empires and prior to Belgiums massive influence in Africa. So while it is truth of course a combination of our answers rather than an either/or.
Re: Anyone else noticed ?
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:30 pm
by RicardoMontalban
elwaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:01 pm
A good argument but the ‘American version’ of English is like saying Lancastrian is the same as Queens English. If you go to parts of Missouri it is a distinctively different language to the seventeenth century pronunciation they use in Boston. While Emperialism certainly played its role, English was adopted as the language of trade before either the British Empire became dominant any of the Dutch, French and Dutch Empires and prior to Belgiums massive influence in Africa. So while it is truth of course a combination of our answers rather than an either/or.
Yes, that’s a good point about the variety of dialects etc that exist within the US itself (interestingly as you mention Missouri my sister in law is from St Louis), I should have been more clear and referred to ‘Americanisms’ as that’s what is essentially being argued here.
I think there’s quite a lot of debate about when English became THE global language, not just for trade but diplomacy, science and academia etc, and predictably answers tend to be pretty vague, but I think consensus seems to settle on or around the 19th century when the Empire was at its peak.