ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders
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From what I've seen of him, if it wasn't for his prowess with free-kicks he wouldn't be anywhere near our 1st team.
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We've several who lack physicality doing very well this season..so not an issue really...other than some always need a scapegoatTsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 pmI hate to say it, but I’m not remotely surprised with the comments re Twine.
There’s a player there, but at the moment, it’s League 1 at best. His lack of physicality is a real, real issue.
A real shame because his signing was the one I was most excited about.
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Making observations isn’t scapegoating.
There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.
Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.
Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.
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Benson? If we are going off stature, he’s as ‘lightweight’ as it gets…TsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:55 pmMaking observations isn’t scapegoating.
There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.
Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.
Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.
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Maatsen ,Tella ,and Cullen lack physicality ,but they make up for their lack of size with 100% effort ,which is more than can be said for Scott Twine ,and I’m not making him a scapegoat ,because I don’t think we’ve lost when he’s played ,he’s over his injury now,and should be bursting a gut to get back in the team,but showed absolutely nothing today.
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Benson...tella...to name two who haven't done too badTsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:55 pmMaking observations isn’t scapegoating.
There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.
Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.
Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.
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At the start of the season, yes. A heavy challenge early on and he would go missing.
But it’s not an argument you can make now. He’s toughened up considerably, and adapted his game to compensate.
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Funny.
Plenty of people on here have said on enough occasions that results at this level don't matter.![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_e_wink.gif)
Plenty of people on here have said on enough occasions that results at this level don't matter.
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Out of interest, because I didn't see the game..if he showed nothing, how much did the other first teamers show.....4 goals doesn't bode well for defendersCarwin261 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pmMaatsen ,Tella ,and Cullen lack physicality ,but they make up for their lack of size with 100% effort ,which is more than can be said for Scott Twine ,and I’m not making him a scapegoat ,because I don’t think we’ve lost when he’s played ,he’s over his injury now,and should be bursting a gut to get back in the team,but showed absolutely nothing today.
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Depends how we are using the word lightweight. He still loses a lot of his duels if the defender matches him for pace. But yes he’s toughened up a fair bit, which took time, I hope we can allow Twine the same (especially given he was out for half the season). Away from Burnley for a sec, I remember seeing Sheff Utd fans moaning about James McAtee (on loan from City) at the start of the season… ‘not built for men’s football’ etc. Now he’s one of their best players. Takes time for some.
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Correct, it’s not always an issue. Depends on the player, their style and position.
But for Twine it’s (so far) proving a real issue.
And fingers crossed it’s something that he’s working on.
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Yet you said..... its a real real issue......
Like I said he's being made a scapegoat by not being given a chance by some on here who should know better.....if after he's played as many games as others, and is deemed poor ok ,but the comments about sending him back to league 1, when the guys hardly played are laughable
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The big problem today, as a team, we never got started and that will disappoint VK more than anything.
At 0-2 down it's so much more difficult to compete in the game and very quickly the result and game is beyond recall.
VK will be seething.......and rightly so......this was not a current Burnley performance.
At 0-2 down it's so much more difficult to compete in the game and very quickly the result and game is beyond recall.
VK will be seething.......and rightly so......this was not a current Burnley performance.
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I imagine VK and staff were watching or will catch up. I wonder if there was an unusal atmosphere at Gawthorpe as the coach returned from SheffieldRoyboyclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:26 pmThe big problem today, as a team, we never got started and that will disappoint VK more than anything.
At 0-2 down it's so much more difficult to compete in the game and very quickly the result and game is beyond recall.
VK will be seething.......and rightly so......this was not a current Burnley performance.
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All it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.
Anyone want to see if they can top it?
Anyone want to see if they can top it?
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Somebody will trydaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pmAll it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.
Anyone want to see if they can top it?
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Fitness exercise ?!.....Clearly someone has not been paying close attention to our manager's message.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pmAll it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.
Anyone want to see if they can top it?
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Yes, Twine’s lack of physicality is a real issue. Pointing out a weakness in his game, which he and VK will most likely be aware of, isn’t scapegoating him.Nori1958 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:22 pmYet you said..... its a real real issue......
Like I said he's being made a scapegoat by not being given a chance by some on here who should know better.....if after he's played as many games as others, and is deemed poor ok ,but the comments about sending him back to league 1, when the guys hardly played are laughable
There are mitigating factors with his injury, likely loss of confidence, and he’s also trying to force his way into a first team that is further on than any one of us dared dream.
Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.
And that is all that people are saying about Twine.
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Wonder what sort of fee we'll be able to get for Twine if we try and move him on in the summer?
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Kompany has said on multiple occasions he will be a big player for us, got to trust the manager - it might just take a bit of time with Twine (or it just might not happen for him)
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Cullen will have better players around him next season of that I have no doubt - Josh will flourish for us, he's a top playerTsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.
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The good news is we have some 1st teamers returning to the fold. the bad news is none of the fringe players sound like they are giving VK any tough decisions for the Sunderland game.
Twine is one who I expected to shine for us, however for a number of reasons he's simply not made much impact.
Bastien has been largely anonymous when he's been given a chance at grabbing a CM slot, I appreciate that it can't be easy only playing now and again, but surely if he wants to be considered as a viable option he has to show a lot more than he has this season.
Pleased that Benson and THB got some useful minutes under their belts, as both will be valuable during the final weeks of the season.
Twine is one who I expected to shine for us, however for a number of reasons he's simply not made much impact.
Bastien has been largely anonymous when he's been given a chance at grabbing a CM slot, I appreciate that it can't be easy only playing now and again, but surely if he wants to be considered as a viable option he has to show a lot more than he has this season.
Pleased that Benson and THB got some useful minutes under their belts, as both will be valuable during the final weeks of the season.
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But nobody has ever mentioned the other players lack of physicality previously, yet Twine gets picked on after 3 games....of course he's not a scapegoatTsarBomba wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pmYes, Twine’s lack of physicality is a real issue. Pointing out a weakness in his game, which he and VK will most likely be aware of, isn’t scapegoating him.
There are mitigating factors with his injury, likely loss of confidence, and he’s also trying to force his way into a first team that is further on than any one of us dared dream.
Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.
And that is all that people are saying about Twine.
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"highlights" here for anyone that missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gz_nvQWnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gz_nvQWnU
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders
Best one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
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I suspect he'll be on a beach for a few days with his family not giving one toss about it if he's got any sense !!!ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pmBest one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
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Ipswich were keen on loaning Twine in the January window and there might have been some mileage in that until his free kick against West Brom which everyone hoped would be a turning point for him here
If Ipswich go up that might be a move that suits everyone. Regular game time in a team who play a similar style to us
Bastien is a strange one. Really pleased when we signed him and he should have been a regular in the match day squad
He shows the occasional moment of brilliance - like the way he rolled his man on Saturday - but he doesn't seem to suit our style. Which is odd as he was one of VK's primary targets
VK will be exceptionality pleased that THB and Benson got valuable game time as they play their way back into first team contention
Talk of 'seething' or similar is way off the mark. He will view like he views every game - a learning experience
If Ipswich go up that might be a move that suits everyone. Regular game time in a team who play a similar style to us
Bastien is a strange one. Really pleased when we signed him and he should have been a regular in the match day squad
He shows the occasional moment of brilliance - like the way he rolled his man on Saturday - but he doesn't seem to suit our style. Which is odd as he was one of VK's primary targets
VK will be exceptionality pleased that THB and Benson got valuable game time as they play their way back into first team contention
Talk of 'seething' or similar is way off the mark. He will view like he views every game - a learning experience
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Stop being sensibleClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pmBest one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
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A big over reaction to a reserve game and a lot of managers on here who have played the game , didn't watch the game but at least some players got minutes and that's what it's all about match fitness.