ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm

From what I've seen of him, if it wasn't for his prowess with free-kicks he wouldn't be anywhere near our 1st team.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:54 pm
I hate to say it, but I’m not remotely surprised with the comments re Twine.

There’s a player there, but at the moment, it’s League 1 at best. His lack of physicality is a real, real issue.

A real shame because his signing was the one I was most excited about.
We've several who lack physicality doing very well this season..so not an issue really...other than some always need a scapegoat
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:55 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:44 pm
We've several who lack physicality doing very well this season..so not an issue really...other than some always need a scapegoat
Making observations isn’t scapegoating.

There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.

Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.

Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by RVclaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:55 pm
Making observations isn’t scapegoating.

There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.

Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.

Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.
Benson? If we are going off stature, he’s as ‘lightweight’ as it gets…
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Carwin261 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pm

Maatsen ,Tella ,and Cullen lack physicality ,but they make up for their lack of size with 100% effort ,which is more than can be said for Scott Twine ,and I’m not making him a scapegoat ,because I don’t think we’ve lost when he’s played ,he’s over his injury now,and should be bursting a gut to get back in the team,but showed absolutely nothing today.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:03 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:55 pm
Making observations isn’t scapegoating.

There isn’t one poster on here who doesn’t want Twine to come good.

Out of interest, who are the several other players lacking physicality? I can’t think of one other, really.

Whenever we’ve needed to scrap (bar Sheff Utd), we’ve always been up for the challenge.
Benson...tella...to name two who haven't done too bad

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:04 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pm
Benson? If we are going off stature, he’s as ‘lightweight’ as it gets…
At the start of the season, yes. A heavy challenge early on and he would go missing.

But it’s not an argument you can make now. He’s toughened up considerably, and adapted his game to compensate.
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:03 pm
Benson...tella...to name two who haven't done too bad
Tella doesn’t need physicality in his game. Relies on his pace and agility.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 pm

Funny.
Plenty of people on here have said on enough occasions that results at this level don't matter. ;)

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm

Carwin261 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:58 pm
Maatsen ,Tella ,and Cullen lack physicality ,but they make up for their lack of size with 100% effort ,which is more than can be said for Scott Twine ,and I’m not making him a scapegoat ,because I don’t think we’ve lost when he’s played ,he’s over his injury now,and should be bursting a gut to get back in the team,but showed absolutely nothing today.
Out of interest, because I didn't see the game..if he showed nothing, how much did the other first teamers show.....4 goals doesn't bode well for defenders

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by RVclaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:04 pm
At the start of the season, yes. A heavy challenge early on and he would go missing.

But it’s not an argument you can make now. He’s toughened up considerably, and adapted his game to compensate.
Depends how we are using the word lightweight. He still loses a lot of his duels if the defender matches him for pace. But yes he’s toughened up a fair bit, which took time, I hope we can allow Twine the same (especially given he was out for half the season). Away from Burnley for a sec, I remember seeing Sheff Utd fans moaning about James McAtee (on loan from City) at the start of the season… ‘not built for men’s football’ etc. Now he’s one of their best players. Takes time for some.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:09 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 pm
Tella doesn’t need physicality in his game. Relies on his pace and agility.
Sorry...it was you who brought physicality into it.....I was showing its not always an issue....as others have pointed out to you.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:11 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:04 pm
At the start of the season, yes. A heavy challenge early on and he would go missing.

But it’s not an argument you can make now. He’s toughened up considerably, and adapted his game to compensate.
Let's give Twine the same number of games to adapt then eh?

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:15 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:09 pm
Sorry...it was you who brought physicality into it.....I was showing its not always an issue....as others have pointed out to you.
Correct, it’s not always an issue. Depends on the player, their style and position.

But for Twine it’s (so far) proving a real issue.

And fingers crossed it’s something that he’s working on.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:11 pm
Let's give Twine the same number of games to adapt then eh?
Yep, no-one has said otherwise.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Leisure » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:07 pm
Out of interest, because I didn't see the game..if he showed nothing, how much did the other first teamers show.....4 goals doesn't bode well for defenders
Not a lot, particularly Bastien!

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:22 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 pm
Yep, no-one has said otherwise.
Yet you said..... its a real real issue......
Like I said he's being made a scapegoat by not being given a chance by some on here who should know better.....if after he's played as many games as others, and is deemed poor ok ,but the comments about sending him back to league 1, when the guys hardly played are laughable

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:22 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:16 pm
Not a lot, particularly Bastien!
THB ?

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:26 pm

The big problem today, as a team, we never got started and that will disappoint VK more than anything.

At 0-2 down it's so much more difficult to compete in the game and very quickly the result and game is beyond recall.

VK will be seething.......and rightly so......this was not a current Burnley performance.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Claretnick » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:29 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:26 pm
The big problem today, as a team, we never got started and that will disappoint VK more than anything.

At 0-2 down it's so much more difficult to compete in the game and very quickly the result and game is beyond recall.

VK will be seething.......and rightly so......this was not a current Burnley performance.
I imagine VK and staff were watching or will catch up. I wonder if there was an unusal atmosphere at Gawthorpe as the coach returned from Sheffield

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm

All it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.

Anyone want to see if they can top it?
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:36 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm
All it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.

Anyone want to see if they can top it?
Somebody will try

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Royboyclaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:41 pm

daveisaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:34 pm
All it takes is a fitness exercise live on Youtube and we've got one player going back to League One, one being sold back to Belgium, one with 150+ first team appearances who doesn't give a toss and the manager seething.

Anyone want to see if they can top it?
Fitness exercise ?!.....Clearly someone has not been paying close attention to our manager's message.

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by TsarBomba » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:22 pm
Yet you said..... its a real real issue......
Like I said he's being made a scapegoat by not being given a chance by some on here who should know better.....if after he's played as many games as others, and is deemed poor ok ,but the comments about sending him back to league 1, when the guys hardly played are laughable
Yes, Twine’s lack of physicality is a real issue. Pointing out a weakness in his game, which he and VK will most likely be aware of, isn’t scapegoating him.

There are mitigating factors with his injury, likely loss of confidence, and he’s also trying to force his way into a first team that is further on than any one of us dared dream.

Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.

And that is all that people are saying about Twine.
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by JohnDearyMe » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:56 pm

Wonder what sort of fee we'll be able to get for Twine if we try and move him on in the summer?

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:57 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:15 pm
Correct, it’s not always an issue. Depends on the player, their style and position.

But for Twine it’s (so far) proving a real issue.

And fingers crossed it’s something that he’s working on.
Kompany has said on multiple occasions he will be a big player for us, got to trust the manager - it might just take a bit of time with Twine (or it just might not happen for him)

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:58 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm

Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.
Cullen will have better players around him next season of that I have no doubt - Josh will flourish for us, he's a top player

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by tiger76 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:13 pm

The good news is we have some 1st teamers returning to the fold. the bad news is none of the fringe players sound like they are giving VK any tough decisions for the Sunderland game.

Twine is one who I expected to shine for us, however for a number of reasons he's simply not made much impact.

Bastien has been largely anonymous when he's been given a chance at grabbing a CM slot, I appreciate that it can't be easy only playing now and again, but surely if he wants to be considered as a viable option he has to show a lot more than he has this season.

Pleased that Benson and THB got some useful minutes under their belts, as both will be valuable during the final weeks of the season.
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:40 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Yes, Twine’s lack of physicality is a real issue. Pointing out a weakness in his game, which he and VK will most likely be aware of, isn’t scapegoating him.

There are mitigating factors with his injury, likely loss of confidence, and he’s also trying to force his way into a first team that is further on than any one of us dared dream.

Someone further up mentioned Cullen also lacking in physicality. This may be true to a degree, but with his other attributes, awareness and positioning for example, he can overcome it. It may well be that Cullen will have to adapt his game again to step up to the PL.

And that is all that people are saying about Twine.
But nobody has ever mentioned the other players lack of physicality previously, yet Twine gets picked on after 3 games....of course he's not a scapegoat

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:08 pm

"highlights" here for anyone that missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1gz_nvQWnU

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:41 pm
It's unbelievable, and from posters I'd expect better from...embarrassing
Best one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:38 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Best one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
I suspect he'll be on a beach for a few days with his family not giving one toss about it if he's got any sense !!!

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by EarbyClaret » Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:13 pm

Ipswich were keen on loaning Twine in the January window and there might have been some mileage in that until his free kick against West Brom which everyone hoped would be a turning point for him here

If Ipswich go up that might be a move that suits everyone. Regular game time in a team who play a similar style to us

Bastien is a strange one. Really pleased when we signed him and he should have been a regular in the match day squad

He shows the occasional moment of brilliance - like the way he rolled his man on Saturday - but he doesn't seem to suit our style. Which is odd as he was one of VK's primary targets

VK will be exceptionality pleased that THB and Benson got valuable game time as they play their way back into first team contention

Talk of 'seething' or similar is way off the mark. He will view like he views every game - a learning experience

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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:26 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:13 pm
Best one is a suggestion that VK will be seething. I think he'll more likely be happy some of his players got minutes.
Stop being sensible
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Re: ARTICLE: Under-21s face runaway league leaders

Post by Clive 1960 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:31 pm

A big over reaction to a reserve game and a lot of managers on here who have played the game , didn't watch the game but at least some players got minutes and that's what it's all about match fitness.

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