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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by bfcfan1882 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:12 pm

colne-claret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:06 pm
Anyone had email yet?
Nope.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:12 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:02 pm
Maybe now it affects some in the ‘in alright jack’ club for the first time, it will highlight to the club the pitfalls of this useless system.
Spot on

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:13 pm

tom210 wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:11 pm
I can assure you that people that work at the club and have for many years have not had priority with this ballot!
Never said they did

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:13 pm

alwaysaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:01 pm
The first requirement imo should be actual proof that your a current season ticket holder, it's nailed on that there will be people at deadwood that possess one.
I have to say that this is a key issue for many of us. For example the Luton game (I got a ticket in the home end as I didn't manage to get an away ticket - even with 6k points on one of my 3) and on the way to the ground I talked to Burnley supporters from London who didn't have season tickets (openly admitted) but had someone get them the tickets for the game. There was about 8 of them in that group in total and none had season tickets.

I bet the person who got them the tickets manages a large group of friends and family members who is always buying every ticket they can because they know they can shift them - that sort of thing needs to stop, but I don't know how the club can stop it (or would they care if the tickets are sold!)
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Spike » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:29 am
It's OUR club who have come up with the ballot idea and not shown any regard for those who go to away games.
there should have been a stipulation of points with a least a handful of this seasons away games mandatory.
6000 is too low a threshold for this game.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Rick_Muller » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:15 pm

Spike wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:13 pm
there should have been a stipulation of points with a least a handful of this seasons away games mandatory.
6000 is too low a threshold for this game.
It wouldn't have been an issue if Rovers had allocated what they normally (and historically) would. You cant blame the club for not predicting Rovers being petty ar5eholes about this game
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:29 pm

Leisure wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:11 pm
So no acknowledgment/recognition etc for fans who travel regularly to away games?
Did you get recognition before there was a 'loyalty' system? No. So Why do you need it now?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Jjjack » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:29 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:29 pm
Did you get recognition before there was a 'loyalty' system? No. So Why do you need it now?
Because the club have implemented a loyalty system.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:31 pm

Jjjack wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:29 pm
Because the club have implemented a loyalty system.
You need recognition because the club implemented a system?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Jjjack » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:32 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:31 pm
You need recognition because the club implemented a system?
Are you just being awkward? I don't need a little badge saying top fan posting to me. However if the club are implementing a loyalty system then recognition comes via the priority categories.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by 1989_claret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:33 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:29 pm
Did you get recognition before there was a 'loyalty' system? No. So Why do you need it now?
You did before there was an online system. For some games you had to queue up with ticket stubs to show you'd been to X amount as a priority and this was in the late 90s under Stan.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm

Jjjack wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:32 pm
Are you just being awkward? I don't need a little badge saying top fan posting to me. However if the club are implementing a loyalty system then recognition comes via the priority categories.
I'm saying what did you do before there was a 'loyalty' system? Not being awkward at all. Sounds like you do need that badge.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Rammy1968 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm

Personally don’t understand the change from purchasing a ticket to having to go into a ballot. Beggars belief in my mind a complete cock up from our club. They’ve caused more work and more resentment by doing it this way pathetic

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm

1989_claret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:33 pm
You did before there was an online system. For some games you had to queue up with ticket stubs to show you'd been to X amount as a priority and this was in the late 90s under Stan.
Very very very rarely was that needed.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by arise_sir_charge » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:37 pm

I think that anyone posting on this thread that has been successful and has fewer points than Tony should do the honourable thing and pass their ticket on.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by jaketurner5500 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:39 pm

Has anyone who applied in a group been successful? I'm only hearing of individuals who have?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by TravisBickle » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:40 pm

Rammy1968 wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm
Personally don’t understand the change from purchasing a ticket to having to go into a ballot. Beggars belief in my mind a complete cock up from our club. They’ve caused more work and more resentment by doing it this way pathetic
The only club that have caused resentment and hassle plays in blue and white.

There wasn’t a fairer way to do it. We have had the 6,000 points scheme in for some time.

In the event there are more people wanting tickets than those available there’s no fair system that suits all. A ballot is the least unfair option.

You win some you lose some.

Burnley aren’t to blame. And this is the situation rovers fans and the club wanted to happen.

Just have to hope those that can make it back the team loud and proud. And the lads on the field do the business as I am sure they will.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:40 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm
Very very very rarely was that needed.
It was less rare than the current ballot.

All systems are going to be imperfect to be honest. You can argue that fans that regularly travel to away games deserve priority but I suspect the IT system that manages the loyalty points doesn’t have the ability to work that out without some rewriting.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by colne-claret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:40 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:37 pm
I think that anyone posting on this thread that has been successful and has fewer points than Tony should do the honourable thing and pass their ticket on.
Tickets shouldn’t be passed on to others.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:42 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:35 pm
Very very very rarely was that needed.
Except for the local derbies ?

In all seriousness those fans that are season ticket holders and travel away regularly should have priority over season ticket holders who don’t travel away. And after visiting more than 80 grounds following burnley for 40 plus years I now fall into the latter category and think other fans deserve to take priority over myself for games like this where we know demand is going to far outstrip supply.

Much fairer and sensible system than the shitshow ballot they have come up with for this game.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Nori1958 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:43 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:37 pm
I think that anyone posting on this thread that has been successful and has fewer points than Tony should do the honourable thing and pass their ticket on.
And the person with 10 less than Tony...can he have one passed on as well?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Boxy » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:43 pm

I would be more than happy to start having to produce ID for tickets. Easiest way to make sure they aren't passed on. If you can't go club should buy it back and redistribute It
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by TravisBickle » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:44 pm

1989_claret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:39 am
Fairest way is to have a rolling points system for away games that rewards more recent loyalty allowing younger Clarets to build points and also rewards people who go to the majority of away games.
Spot on.

How are kids and new fans meant to accumulate anywhere near enough points to attend? When people on 6k plus are picking and choosing the ‘best fixtures’ based on games they attended ten plus years ago.

It should be based on recent attendance. England do it on a two tournament rolling basis.

Some people I know on 10k plus have barely attended over the last few seasons. And younger fans I know have been to your Hull on a Tuesday, West Brom on a Friday etc
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:44 pm

Worth mentioning as well the southern clarets who only go to away games in the south and midlands, but go to them all regardless of what division we are in

How do they fit into this system without S/Ts?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 pm

"In all seriousness those fans that are season ticket holders and travel away regularly should have priority over season ticket holders who don’t travel away. And after visiting more than 80 grounds following burnley for 40 plus years I now fall into the latter category and think other fans deserve to take priority over myself for games like this"

This is exactly me and exactly how I feel, so from me this is spot on Big Vinny K

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Rammy1968 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 pm

TravisBickle wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:40 pm
The only club that have caused resentment and hassle plays in blue and white.

There wasn’t a fairer way to do it. We have had the 6,000 points scheme in for some time.

In the event there are more people wanting tickets than those available there’s no fair system that suits all. A ballot is the least unfair option.

You win some you lose some.

Burnley aren’t to blame. And this is the situation rovers fans and the club wanted to happen.

Just have to hope those that can make it back the team loud and proud. And the lads on the field do the business as I am sure they will.
You say it’s the fairest way so why have we never done it this way before?

The fairest way is the loyalty scheme why not increase the 6000 points to people with 8000 points otherwise what is the point of a loyalty scheme at all?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm

I have just received an email from the club which made me think I was successful.

It told me they had received my ballot application.

Unbelievable.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Pommieclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm

Speaking to a work mate of mine who is a season ticket holder at Old Trafford and has been for years, he says they have been doing ticket ballots where demand outstrips allocation

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:48 pm

TravisBickle wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:44 pm
Spot on.

How are kids and new fans meant to accumulate anywhere near enough points to attend? When people on 6k plus are picking and choosing the ‘best fixtures’ based on games they attended ten plus years ago.
Don't see any problem with that. If you've paid into the loyalty system for that long you've earned the right to pick and choose.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:49 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 pm
"In all seriousness those fans that are season ticket holders and travel away regularly should have priority over season ticket holders who don’t travel away. And after visiting more than 80 grounds following burnley for 40 plus years I now fall into the latter category and think other fans deserve to take priority over myself for games like this"

This is exactly me and exactly how I feel, so from me this is spot on Big Vinny K
Me as well tbh

(more like 30 years tbf!)

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Here's-Johnny » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:51 pm

bumba wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:37 am
Scrap the loyalty system and ballot every season ticket holder for every game.
Fairest way.
People with points moan if they don't get one, people without enough points moan they don't get the chance to go.
Fairest way is to treat ALL season ticket holders the same.
Ballot all for every game
Fully agree the points system has had its day.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by D8BFC » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:51 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm
I have just received an email from the club which made me think I was successful.

It told me they had received my ballot application.

Unbelievable.
The same as the one you received when you entered? If so, thats ridiculous!!!!!

Its the same as saying you'll notify people at noon and at 12:51 still not sending anything! :shock:

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by TravisBickle » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:51 pm

Rammy1968 wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:45 pm
You say it’s the fairest way so why have we never done it this way before?

The fairest way is the loyalty scheme why not increase the 6000 points to people with 8000 points otherwise what is the point of a loyalty scheme at all?
Because there never been a need to do it before.

The fixture was changed last minute. The allocation was only announced even later. And we have more people in the 6k plus pool than tickets available. What was the alternative? Increase it to 8,000, 10,000?

No kids / newer fans with any chance of attending our biggest game? No chance of groups or families going together. Just those with deepest pockets or born the longest ago?

There’s no fair system that suits all. Is what it is. I’ve not qualified. And I’ve been to games all over the country for decades. Including many when we had half empty away ends at fixtures nobody was bothered about.

This system has recognised those with high loyalty points and tried to be as fair as possible.

Tbh I can’t think of many fixtures I could be less bothered about. It’s a crap fixture and day out.

Blackburns ‘behaviour’ only emphasised that.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:53 pm

Pommieclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm
Speaking to a work mate of mine who is a season ticket holder at Old Trafford and has been for years, he says they have been doing ticket ballots where demand outstrips allocation
Yep, it’s not unusual. Liverpool do it as well.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by 1989_claret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:53 pm

Pommieclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:46 pm
Speaking to a work mate of mine who is a season ticket holder at Old Trafford and has been for years, he says they have been doing ticket ballots where demand outstrips allocation
They do but they prioritise fans who travel abroad in European competitions.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by TravisBickle » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:48 pm
Don't see any problem with that. If you've paid into the loyalty system for that long you've earned the right to pick and choose.
And if you’re a young fan / new fan and have no chance of going to the big games when do you get the bug?

It would take over ten years to accumulate anywhere near enough points. It’s nonsense. Make it fairer and easier for all.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Sproggy » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 pm

TravisBickle wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:44 pm
Spot on.

How are kids and new fans meant to accumulate anywhere near enough points to attend?
Buy season tickets and go to away games that don't sell out?

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by TravisBickle » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:57 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 pm
Buy season tickets and go to away games that don't sell out?
350 points a season ticket
50 points an away game

Come back to me when you’ve done the maths as to how long it would take a kid to accumulate 6,000 points.

How many mums, dads, brothers and sisters etc that go to games together can’t for the games that need 6,000 points?

2-4 year rolling cycle is the obvious way to go. With bonus points for attending cup games (to reward those that go to them and incentivise others too)
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:57 pm

Sproggy wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 pm
Buy season tickets and go to away games that don't sell out?
While the threshold for getting first priority on tickets goes up every season.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:57 pm

TravisBickle wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:54 pm
And if you’re a young fan / new fan and have no chance of going to the big games when do you get the bug?

It would take over ten years to accumulate anywhere near enough points. It’s nonsense. Make it fairer and easier for all.
Totally agree, which is why it should be binned and chamged to current ST holders, then general sale. Totally fair and inclusive.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:03 pm

Away games should prioritised for season ticket holders who go to away games. The end.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by northeastclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:03 pm

jaketurner5500 wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:39 pm
Has anyone who applied in a group been successful? I'm only hearing of individuals who have?
There are four of us but I made an application of 3 and one of one, and only the one has been successful.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by jaketurner5500 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:04 pm

Ticket office have just said that if you have got successful in your purchase history then you have got one but they haven't allocated them all yet. Emails will be sent out later today.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Winstonswhite » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:04 pm

1989_claret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:53 pm
They do but they prioritise fans who travel abroad in European competitions.
Thats only for European games I think?

Every away game at United is a ballot for season ticket holders who have also purchased tickets for all home cup games.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by D8BFC » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:05 pm

No email as yet... this really is p**s poor.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by jaketurner5500 » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:05 pm

It looks like they are doing the individual ones first.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:07 pm

D8BFC wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:51 pm
The same as the one you received when you entered? If so, thats ridiculous!!!!!

Its the same as saying you'll notify people at noon and at 12:51 still not sending anything! :shock:
Yes, a repeat of the one I received last week. It’s adding insult to injury.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by Greeny » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:15 pm

After the pitiful allocation was announced then BFC were on a hiding to nothing re how to deal with supporter demand. Even if they were given to those people with zillions of points they would be complaining because they couldn't take their 3 mates or grandchildren.

A ballot is as good as any method in this situation.

You wouldn't contact the National Lottery to complain that you buy tickets every week and have done for the last 30 years (home and away), yet you still have not won the jackpot so their system needs overhauling. So why kick off now at BFC? It's all part of life's lottery.

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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by ChorltonCharlie » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:15 pm

The system in general is a joke. There's a tiny minority who have the most points who have had a ST for years and always go away. These people would get a ticket whatever loyalty system is used.

There's then a load of people behind them who have had ST's for years and pick and choose their away games. That might be 10 games a season, might be 2, might even be once in a blue moon. These people control where a lot of our tickets go. Even if they don't want to go, they'll happily let friends and family use them. People who don't have enough points (or have someone in their group who doesn't) will often use them even when demand isn't that high for convenience. They want to sit together, or they've already paid for travel/hotels and it's not worth the risk of demand being higher than expected. Which is a vicious circle as people going away aren't even getting the points in many cases.

Some of those 6,000+ people have an "I'm alright Jack approach" to the current system. I can understand that, but what's galling is some of them actually think they're a better class of fan because they were fortunate enough to have a ST 15 years ago. Age plays a big part in that, but Burnley is a deprived area and not everyone can afford a ST every year. There needs to be some level of loyalty recognition, but it needs to be balanced with an attainable system where if you buy a ST and go to loads of away games then you can be confident that you will get a ticket when demand outstrips supply. Not only does it encourage away attendance which is great for the players, but it allows the club to use the system for commercial reasons. Offer bonus points for early rounds of cup competitions and that kind of thing. It would also soon stop the system being open to abuse, and may actually help put an end to some of the anti-social behaviour we've seen at some games.
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Re: Rovers away tickets

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:18 pm

Greeny wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:15 pm
After the pitiful allocation was announced then BFC were on a hiding to nothing re how to deal with supporter demand. Even if they were given to those people with zillions of points they would be complaining because they couldn't take their 3 mates or grandchildren.

A ballot is as good as any method in this situation.

You wouldn't contact the National Lottery to complain that you buy tickets every week and have done for the last 30 years (home and away), yet you still have not won the jackpot so their system needs overhauling. So why kick off now at BFC? It's all part of life's lottery.
How on earth can you compare this with the National Lottery? The club clearly states that loyalty points will be used for all games and that the numbers required can change per game. They’ve gone against what they say they are going to do.
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