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Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:37 pm
by quoonbeatz
Var killing international football as well I see. If you watch that 20 odd times and think it's a penalty you should be nowhere near this sport, never mind officiating.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:38 pm
by boatshed bill
Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:35 pm
Can't see West Ham holding on to Rice. He's been superb.
Best player on the pitch.
We are playing very well.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
by KRBFC
quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:37 pm
Var killing international football as well I see. If you watch that 20 odd times and think it's a penalty you should be nowhere near this sport, never mind officiating.
Not even debatable in the current game an absolute stonewaller. Arm fully outstretched and hits him on the hand taking the ball off Kane's chest. I'm not a fan of those kind of penalties but it's a clear one. he may aswell have caught the ball
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:48 pm
by RVclaret
Superb half from England. The midfield balance looked really good. Thought Phillips might have been off the Pace a bit but no.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:53 pm
by quoonbeatz
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 pm
Not even debatable in the current game an absolute stonewaller. Arm fully outstretched and hits him on the hand taking the ball off Kane's chest. I'm not a fan of those kind of penalties but it's a clear one. he may aswell have caught the ball
It's landed on his arm when he's gone to head it. Never a penalty by any definition. Only someone who has never played football would give that. What's he supposed to do with his arm? It's in a perfectly natural position for trying to head the ball
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:01 pm
by expoultryboy
Shocking defending
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:02 pm
by KRBFC
quoonbeatz wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:53 pm
It's in a perfectly natural position for trying to head the ball
But he doesn't head the ball
and for the record, I have played football. I said I don't like the unintentional ones but even though it was called ''deliberate handball'', I don't believe anyone deliberately handles the ball in their own penalty area, place of the hand seems to determine wether it's deemed deliberate or not.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:03 pm
by Ampth7
Such a poor start to the second half. Literally gifted them a way back in to the game
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:04 pm
by KRBFC
We've played brilliant so far and you haven't posted a single positive comment.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:05 pm
by Sproggy
Defensive mistake from Harry " he's never let his country down" Maguire.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:05 pm
by expoultryboy
Needs a change gareth
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:05 pm
by 4:20
Italy have had a half time rollocking
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:06 pm
by Carport
Really insightful from Dion. Game plan for England is keep hold of what you’ve got or ……..get more! Really?
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:07 pm
by claretburns
Henderson for Philips and Foden for Saka needs to happen, get some fresh legs and controlling the ball again.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:08 pm
by quoonbeatz
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:02 pm
But he doesn't head the ball
and for the record, I have played football. I said I don't like the unintentional ones but even though it was called ''deliberate handball'', I don't believe anyone deliberately handles the ball in their own penalty area, place of the hand seems to determine wether it's deemed deliberate or not.
I didn't say he did hesd the ball. He tries to, misses it and the ball lands on his arm which is in the correct position for his attempt to head the ball. An awful decision. Fortunately its been redressed now.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:08 pm
by boatshed bill
claretburns wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:07 pm
Henderson for Philips and Foden for Saka needs to happen, get some fresh legs and controlling the ball again.
Foden for Grealish.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:09 pm
by expoultryboy
Ok it wasn't shocking defending !! We've played ok , but certain players grealish/saka/Phillips need to get more involved.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:10 pm
by agreenwood
This system works ok when the full backs get forward. If they don’t, we look too deep and struggle to get the ball forward.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:11 pm
by Ampth7
For some god forsaken reason we’ve decided to stop pressing the ball and instead sit back!? If this carries on like this, we lose the game.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:13 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Saka ...brilliant play & cross .....3 England players standing still.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:17 pm
by claretburns
Is that 2 yellow cards for Walker now? Is Graham Poll refereeing?
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:18 pm
by claretburns
Churlinov scored for North Macedonia
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:18 pm
by KRBFC
Churlinov just scored for Macedonia off the bench
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:19 pm
by dvalley69
This is why you can't trust Southgate. Exactly the same is happening as the EURO Final: not learning from past mistakes.
We did everything right the first half; just go out and do the same second half and get 4/5. Instead, we sit back and let them have the ball.
I don't care if we win in the end because the manner in the way we go about things once comfortably ahead is worrying.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:21 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Safegate bores me to tears.
Three holding midfielders. Fullbacks sitting back. A defence unable to cope with Italy being invited on (unlike a Dyche defence for example).
He plays so few attacking players we can never stamp our authority on tough games while dominant and good sides often level against us. We’ll never win a trophy like this.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:21 pm
by Sproggy
Couple of subs needed.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:21 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:13 pm
Saka ...brilliant play & cross .....3 England players standing still.
And where’s Kane? Edge of the box!
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:24 pm
by BleedingClaret
That was Sunday League from Maguire
No reason to take a man on, in the wrong area to do that plus available passes on, he took himself out of position then passed it to them, then jumped in, instead of getting back in position, with a tackle that got him a booking but could have been a Red, the goal scorer then scored un marked in the position Maguire should have been.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:24 pm
by Ampth7
dvalley69 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:19 pm
This is why you can't trust Southgate. Exactly the same is happening as the EURO Final: not learning from past mistakes.
We did everything right the first half; just go out and do the same second half and get 4/5. Instead, we sit back and let them have the ball.
I don't care if we win in the end because the manner in the way we go about things once comfortably ahead is worrying.
It does make you wonder what has been said at half-time tactically. The change in style is noticeable from the first half against a really poor Italy team.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:25 pm
by expoultryboy
Careful everyone , we're playing brilliant . He's as proactive as Dyche used to be . He'll just sit there praying we can hold on .
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:25 pm
by RVclaret
Was that worthy of a second yellow? Haven’t got a replay
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:25 pm
by agreenwood
This ref is a shocker.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by Conroysleftfoot
Don't have a problem with the ref booking players for time wasting just as long as they are consistent with all teams.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by Goalposts
Tactically Southgate is inept , that’s why when it matters he has no idea how to change shape or formation mid match to counter effect any of the oppositions plan. If we win this its more by luck than tactics
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by BleedingClaret
Southgate just an observer
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by boatshed bill
This game has descended into total crap.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by agreenwood
First yellow was barely time wasting.
He’d have a field day on the Turf.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
by Carport
So we take Foden off not Phillips!!
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:28 pm
by BleedingClaret
agreenwood wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:25 pm
This ref is a shocker.
He is but when he gave Rice a yellow for first offence that wasn’t even an offence England knew the score
ill discipline and inert leadership
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:29 pm
by Billy Balfour
An avoidable first card for time-wasting, then a clumsy challenge a minute for the second.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:29 pm
by gandhisflipflop
This manager is a total buffoon
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:29 pm
by chekhov
Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:26 pm
Don't have a problem with the ref booking players for time wasting just as long as they are consistent with all teams.
Though obviously it tends to be the winning team that will get players booked for time-wasting.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:29 pm
by Sproggy
Pathetic from England. 3 already booked for time wasting, Maguire play acting in the middle of the pitch leaving the defence exposed when the ref doesn't stop play. Shaw sent off.
Must have been some half time team talk.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:30 pm
by gandhisflipflop
We will lose this and all because of Southgate
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:30 pm
by KRBFC
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:21 pm
Safegate bores me to tears.
Three holding midfielders. Fullbacks sitting back. A defence unable to cope with Italy being invited on (unlike a Dyche defence for example).
He plays so few attacking players we can never stamp our authority on tough games while dominant and good sides often level against us. We’ll never win a trophy like this.
Bellingham is not a holding midfielder, you have no idea what you're talking about and clearly didn't watch the first half, absolutely dominant against a very good Italian side, 2nd half not so easy and here you come with the negative ******** whilst you were silent in the first half.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:32 pm
by chekhov
Honestly the time-wasting from England is embarrassing and pathetic.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:33 pm
by claretburns
claretburns wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:18 pm
Churlinov scored for North Macedonia
Was a good goal by Churlinov, similar to Tella at Hull, on the right on his right foot but cuts back in on his left and hits it in the near post from edge of area.
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:34 pm
by dvalley69
KRBFC wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:30 pm
Bellingham is not a holding midfielder, you have no idea what you're talking about and clearly didn't watch the first half, absolutely dominant against a very good Italian side, 2nd half not so easy and here you come with the negative ******** whilst you were silent in the first half.
I'd have taken you seriously but when you said A VERY GOOD ITALIAN SIDE!! They aren't, they're pretty average, They've just stepped up 10 yards and we've decided to take 10 back!
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:36 pm
by expoultryboy
Never make that mistake dv
Re: Italy v England Euro 2024 qualifier
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:37 pm
by bobinho
Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:35 pm
Can't see West Ham holding on to Rice. He's been superb.
Pep will be watching thinking "i bought the wrong one..."
