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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:21 pm

N.B. The love for the American system, free Capitol… with a huge federal workforce that encompasses everything from cleaners to post men to university lecturers and the military… all with comfortable earnings in the public sector.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Bosscat » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 pm

Another 🍿 required 😉
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:35 pm

I'm absolutely sold on the idea of a small state (massively sarcasm alert)

Absolutely everything that is wrong with our country at the moment is because we thought capitalism could run everything

And it can't run everything

Low tax means low public services, even more NHS issues, even more stuff just not working, and a very few very wealthy people absolutely raking it in
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:38 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:16 pm
Low taxation further divides the populous into the fanciful old class system. Most of the issues currently crippling the country are Public sector- people who actually run the country and those behind the economy and education of the country. They are paid by taxes…. Therefore if you want to have the Best… Doctors, Academics, specialists… then you need a high tax system with high public sector pay. Just watch those waiting lists fall if people actually thought it was being well paid to work…. Across the system, hence the system is failing.
I respectfully disagree.

If you offer my hypothetical £1437.80 to a millionaire, they'd take it, of course. It would be something to splash away on their next cruise.

But if you offered that same £1437.80 to somebody toiling away working 40 hours a week on minimum wage it would make a real difference to their lives. It would help buy kids clothing, some food, that repair for the car that you can't really afford, that bill that you're struggling to pay. You might be able to afford a modest family holiday, turn the heating on a few extra minutes or maybe just not have to worry about bailiffs or getting into debt.

Lower tax this way does would massively improve the life of the low paid.

And there's something else beyond the actual amount of money. The matter of self respect and how people feel when their pay packet is enough to look after themselves - they feel better in themselves. They have more pride and respect. It's their money. I find it appalling that people who are paid what is considered to be a "minimum" level are expected to then pay out of this "minimum". It completely undermines the concept of it being a "minimum".

Just imagine for a second how it feels to be earning minimum wage and still be seeing large chunks of your income being taken away by the government. It is truly dispiriting.

Now we're finally having an honest debate - you've set out the case for high taxation and I've set out the case for low taxation. Thank you, elwaclaret.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:35 pm
I'm absolutely sold on the idea of a small state (massively sarcasm alert)

Absolutely everything that is wrong with our country at the moment is because we thought capitalism could run everything

And it can't run everything

Low tax means low public services, even more NHS issues, even more stuff just not working, and a very few very wealthy people absolutely raking it in
Low tax means better economy, which equates to higher tax revenues.

This has been demonstrated time after time after time.

Decentralized, low tax economies outperform anything other kind of economic system known to man. This isn't in doubt.

We're seeing the proof before our eyes in the UK - 20+ years of increasing government spending and the economy is grinding to halt. Taxation levels are now higher than they've been since the end of WWII.

What kind of person sees this and thinks, "We need more of the same!"?
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:40 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 pm
Another 🍿 required 😉
Sorry, gets my goat when this old nonsense is spouted out time and time again by Politicians, that people swallow it amazes me. I could change to a Master of Law, Politics or whatever… I chose history because there is a chance of finding the truth behind the ‘for public consumption’ curtain… once you peak behind the world has a very different hue.

Politics is not linear, it’s a web… tweeking this always has consequences for that and that. I do not hold with political parties, just political sense… if people feel they are being paid fairly, they are happier in their work, if they are happy in there work; they are more productive and passionate about their specialism. It’s universal, good things happen when you feel good… this country has very few in the public sector happy… the system is failing from HMRC, to Policing, shortages in the NHS, PhD Doctors on twelve month rolling contracts…. You name it it’s broke… and only the government of the last ten to fifteen years is to blame.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:45 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:40 pm
Sorry, gets my goat when this old nonsense is spouted out time and time again by Politicians, that people swallow it amazes me. I could change to a Master of Law, Politics or whatever… I chose history because there is a chance of finding the truth behind the ‘for public consumption’ curtain… once you peak behind the world has a very different hue.

Politics is not linear, it’s a web… tweeking this always has consequences for that and that. I do not hold with political parties, just political sense… if people feel they are being paid fairly, they are happier in their work, if they are happy in there work; they are more productive and passionate about their specialism. It’s universal, good things happen when you feel good… this country has very few in the public sector happy… the system is failing from HMRC, to Policing, shortages in the NHS, PhD Doctors on twelve month rolling contracts…. You name it it’s broke… and only the government of the last ten to fifteen years is to blame.
You don't need to go to university and bury yourself in books for years to know and understand sound concepts. Just compare the following economies:

The USA 1945-89 vs The USSR 1945-1989
South Korea vs North Korea
West Germany vs East Germany
Britain in the 1970s vs Britain in the 1980s
China 1945-1990 vs China 1990 onwards
Venezuela before Chavez vs Venezuela after Chavez

Low taxation isn't the only factor, of course, but it always IS a factor and it is an important one.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:46 pm

Oh no !!
Let’s not let this thread go off track into the myth that firstly Lineker does not pay much in tax and secondly this Tory government is one of low taxes.

Lineker will have paid a massive amount of tax and a much bigger proportion of his income than those who decide to take up residence abroad. The corporation tax on profits and presumably the highest rate of dividend tax he has to pay add up to more than 50%…….even though Rowls thinks he ‘just takes it out of the company” !!!

And are we not experiencing the highest rates of tax in this country than we have for many decades ?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:47 pm

Here's what I think is going to happen peeps,

The Conservatives will (narrowly) lose the next election.

Labour will put taxes up even higher than they are now (which is the highest since WWII).

The economy will continue to flounder, stagnate and go nowhere.

And this will continue until we start to bring government spending under control and start to lower taxes. Priority should be given to tax cuts that help the lowest paid the most.

Feel free to bookmark this prediction and hold me to account.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:49 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:46 pm
Oh no !!
Let’s not let this thread go off track into the myth that firstly Lineker does not pay much in tax and secondly this Tory government is one of low taxes.

Lineker will have paid a massive amount of tax and a much bigger proportion of his income than those who decide to take up residence abroad. The corporation tax on profits and presumably the highest rate of dividend tax he has to pay add up to more than 50%…….even though Rowls thinks he ‘just takes it out of the company” !!!

And are we not experiencing the highest rates of tax in this country than we have for many decades ?
This Tory government has raised government spending to the highest level since the end of WII. Taxes are at the highest level since the end of WWII.

Low taxation is sadly just a dream at the moment. We've been a high taxation economy for 20+ years now.

Is anybody surprised the economy is stagnating?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:49 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:46 pm
Oh no !!
Let’s not let this thread go off track into the myth that firstly Lineker does not pay much in tax and secondly this Tory government is one of low taxes.

Lineker will have paid a massive amount of tax and a much bigger proportion of his income than those who decide to take up residence abroad. The corporation tax on profits and presumably the highest rate of dividend tax he has to pay add up to more than 50%…….even though Rowls thinks he ‘just takes it out of the company” !!!

And are we not experiencing the highest rates of tax in this country than we have for many decades ?
"Let's not let this thread go off track" that's very very late in the day!

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:49 pm
"Let's not let this thread go off track" that's very very late in the day!
Ah, come on Jakub! :lol:

Lineker has shown the way in besting the taxman. It's only right that we cover taxation generally on this thread as we toast Gary's £4.9 million win.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:55 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:45 pm
You don't need to go to university and bury yourself in books for years to know and understand sound concepts. Just compare the following economies:

The USA 1945-89 vs The USSR 1945-1989
South Korea vs North Korea
West Germany vs East Germany
Britain in the 1970s vs Britain in the 1980s
China 1945-1990 vs China 1990 onwards
Venezuela before Chavez vs Venezuela after Chavez

Low taxation isn't the only factor, of course, but it always IS a factor and it is an important one.
If you notice I’ve already pointed out that both Scandinavia and the USA are both achievers precisely because their huge public sectors are properly funded…

Comparing us to the USA is nonsensical in virtually any sort of comparison how many countries the size of Britain fit inside California?

Typical Right wing response to suggest it’s the British system… nothing like the American system, or Communism as the options.

I may not have agreed with you too often but I did not have you down as a bigot. Your post suggests otherwise.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:04 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:13 pm
I really don't understand the number 7 reference but, like Gary Lineker, I'm all in favour of low tax economies. You really ought to have been able to take my comments on face value.
You are too young, Rowls. Number 7=right winger. Smile it’s all craic.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:05 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:55 pm
If you notice I’ve already pointed out that both Scandinavia and the USA are both achievers precisely because their huge public sectors are properly funded…

Comparing us to the USA is nonsensical in virtually any sort of comparison how many countries the size of Britain fit inside California?

I may not have agreed with you too often but I did not have you down as a bigot. You post suggests otherwise.
That's the first time I've ever known the juggernaut of the US economy attributed to its publicly funded services.

You're being ridiculous now: It's "nonsensical" to compare the UK and the USA but your comparison of the UK to Scandinavia escape whatever criteria you applied to my comparison.

And you want to label extolling the virtues of low taxation for the lowest paid as being "bigoted"? Feel free to justify that but otherwise, I politely suggest it's time for you to post sensibly and without throwing insults around, elwaclaret or not at all. Goodnight.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:06 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:04 pm
You are too young, Rowls. Number 7=right winger. Smile it’s all craic.
Oh, of course.

BTW: I'm in no way "too young" to know how that formation lines up. Funny how conformist football was in that, isn't it? It wasn't "enforced" in any way shape or form and yet everybody did it.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:21 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 pm
Ah, come on Jakub! :lol:

Lineker has shown the way in besting the taxman. It's only right that we cover taxation generally on this thread as we toast Gary's £4.9 million win.
How’s he won £4.9m ? He has not been refunded this. He has paid his tax based on as you mention the current highest tax rates since WW2. How can that be beating the tax man ?
I’m guessing he’s paid more in tax in a single year than you have in your lifetime.

Since you mentioned Lineker and paying a low amount of taxation on this thread do you regard paying more than 50% of your income as low ? This will now increase to nearer to 60% now with the increase in corporation tax on top of the highest rate of tax on dividends he has to pay for the money he takes out (unless he takes your advice and just “takes it out of the company”)

Because from what you are now saying you believe lower taxation is the only way forward. So do you think Lineker has paid too little or too much tax ?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by elwaclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:05 pm
That's the first time I've ever known the juggernaut of the US economy attributed to its publicly funded services.

You're being ridiculous now: It's "nonsensical" to compare the UK and the USA but your comparison of the UK to Scandinavia escape whatever criteria you applied to my comparison.

And you want to label extolling the virtues of low taxation for the lowest paid as being "bigoted"? Feel free to justify that but otherwise, I politely suggest it's time for you to post sensibly and without throwing insults around, elwaclaret or not at all. Goodnight.
Your ‘logic’ that Britain can be self containing in the way America is defies the application of scale. The No questions asked attitude to money attitude of both Labour and the Conservatives and ‘incentivising’ Britain is as much to blame as any other factor. Public morality has overtaken government policy… now the Politicians have to have the brains to find the new way, instead of playing politics. Confidence is in the offices of the public sector workers, it makes the very machinery of Government work. The economy cannot function without infrastructure… it is the infrastructure that needs fixing. You sound like you want to go full Banana Republic.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Bosscat » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:30 pm

Tonights turning into a 3 🍿🍿🍿 night 🤣
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by MrTopTier » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:34 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:30 pm
Tonights turning into a 3 🍿🍿🍿 night 🤣
Especially if you are simultaneously following this and the tickets thread. Bag of pick and mix required also.😀
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Spiral » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:36 pm

Ayn Rand I mean Liz Truss becomes Prime Minister, Queen pops her clogs, that blows over, Truss announces the kind of tax policies that makes Rowls wet the bed in the middle of the night, crashes the country 100mph into a brick wall, her own party finish her off before most people learn who she even is.

Proper ringing endorsement for the libertarians, that is.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Bosscat » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:36 pm

MrTopTier wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:34 pm
Especially if you are simultaneously following this and the tickets thread. Bag of pick and mix required also.😀
I've still got sports mix from the food count the other week 🤣
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by SocialistClaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:47 pm

I see absolutely no reason individuals should pay more tax than the law requires while we give insane tax breaks to greedy corporations who own the politicians that write the tax laws for them. I'm not going to praise Lineker for it, but i'm not going to condemn him either.

Fix the ******* tax laws and tax the ******* corporations.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:56 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:21 pm
How’s he won £4.9m ? He has not been refunded this. He has paid his tax based on as you mention the current highest tax rates since WW2. How can that be beating the tax man ?
I’m guessing he’s paid more in tax in a single year than you have in your lifetime.

Since you mentioned Lineker and paying a low amount of taxation on this thread do you regard paying more than 50% of your income as low ? This will now increase to nearer to 60% now with the increase in corporation tax on top of the highest rate of tax on dividends he has to pay for the money he takes out (unless he takes your advice and just “takes it out of the company”)

Because from what you are now saying you believe lower taxation is the only way forward. So do you think Lineker has paid too little or too much tax ?
What you know in tax rules, you appear to lack in basic comprehension. He hasn't won any money - he's earned his money. What he "won" was the case today.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:58 pm

elwaclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 pm
Your ‘logic’ that Britain can be self containing in the way America is defies the application of scale. The No questions asked attitude to money attitude of both Labour and the Conservatives and ‘incentivising’ Britain is as much to blame as any other factor. Public morality has overtaken government policy… now the Politicians have to have the brains to find the new way, instead of playing politics. Confidence is in the offices of the public sector workers, it makes the very machinery of Government work. The economy cannot function without infrastructure… it is the infrastructure that needs fixing. You sound like you want to go full Banana Republic.
What? I'm not a trade protectionist. In no way have I claimed "Britain can [or should] be self contained.

The UK has a population of 67 million. Norway, 5 million. Sweden, 10 million.

The USA has a population of 330 million.

You say I can't compare the UK to the USA but the ratio between the UK and USA is much lower than your own comparison of comparing the UK to Scandinavia.

* edit - much lower or basically the same.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:56 pm
What you know in tax rules, you appear to lack in basic comprehension. He hasn't won any money - he's earned his money. What he "won" was the case today.
You are outdoing even your dim self here.
You said his “£4.9m tax win”didn’t you ?

The HMRC lost their case.
All Lineker did is pay the tax he was supposed to and it will have been a lot of tax. More tax than you could ever imagine.

But all that’s semantics - why have you avoided answering the other questions in my post ? (other than the obvious that you have not got the first clue as to what you are talking about)

At between 50% and 60% tax has Lineker paid too much or too little tax ? Because if you read through your inane and uneducated drivel on the thread you started you will notice that you mentioned on a number of occasions how well he had done to pay such a low amount of tax.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:13 pm

I’m not insincere TM

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:08 pm
You are outdoing even your dim self here.
You said his “£4.9m tax win”didn’t you ?

The HMRC lost their case.
All Lineker did is pay the tax he was supposed to and it will have been a lot of tax. More tax than you could ever imagine.

But all that’s semantics - why have you avoided answering the other questions in my post ? (other than the obvious that you have not got the first clue as to what you are talking about)

At between 50% and 60% tax has Lineker paid too much or too little tax ? Because if you read through your inane and uneducated drivel on the thread you started you will notice that you mentioned on a number of occasions how well he had done to pay such a low amount of tax.
We're into English now which I'm happy to say is my forte.

The technique I used is what is called an 'ellipsis'. Something is left unsaid because it doesn't need repeating.

To answer your "question":

I think Lineker won his case and was shown to have paid the correct, minimum amount of tax payable. The minimum amount that is legally due is always the correct amount.

If anybody wants to pay more tax all they have to do is send the money to HMRC - they still cash cheques.

The UK economy continues to be a high taxation economy that is, predictably, stagnating. We will continue to stagnate until either we start to move towards being a low tax economy or, if some posters are to be believed, I wet the bed at night (or something).

I've got an excellent record in the continence stakes so here's hoping we get a low tax government sometime soon in the future for all our sakes.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:13 pm
I’m not insincere TM

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You think I want people (even those I might disagree with politically) to pay more tax than they have to?

You're wrong. You might not be happy for Lineker but I am.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:19 pm

Insincere
Incomprehensible
Inane
Intolerable

And most of all
INEDUCATED


(yes……that was deliberate !!)
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:29 pm

We have entered the insult zone.

I've made my point and argued for low taxation. I hope we get a low taxation government as soon as possible and I predict that if we have a government that carefully and consistently lowers taxation we can start to have a productive economy again and we can start to improve our prosperity once again.

It's no coincidence that the past 20+ years of high taxation have given us a stagnating economy.

Goodnight chaps. Insult away, if you can't debate.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:31 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 pm
We're into English now which I'm happy to say is my forte.

The technique I used is what is called an 'ellipsis'. Something is left unsaid because it doesn't need repeating.

To answer your "question":

I think Lineker won his case and was shown to have paid the correct, minimum amount of tax payable. The minimum amount that is legally due is always the correct amount.

If anybody wants to pay more tax all they have to do is send the money to HMRC - they still cash cheques.

The UK economy continues to be a high taxation economy that is, predictably, stagnating. We will continue to stagnate until either we start to move towards being a low tax economy or, if some posters are to be believed, I wet the bed at night (or something).

I've got an excellent record in the continence stakes so here's hoping we get a low tax government sometime soon in the future for all our sakes.
As usual you appear to be answering a completely different question.

Do you think the amount of tax Lineker or other people earning what he does paid is too little or too much tax ?
We already know it was the correct amount of tax.

You said several times that he has managed to pay a low amount of tax. Yet you are saying that tax rates should come down. As I’m sure you are aware with all that financial expertise you have that it’s the highest earners like Lineker who account for the majority of the overall tax receipts in this country.

So should Lineker be paying more or less tax than he is doing now ?
And if it’s less than the 50% plus he’ll be paying and you also want to reduce tax burden on the lower earners how will that rather large Truss Economics clusterfuck of a hole in tax receipts be filled exactly ?

Will it be filled by your voluntary scheme of people paying more tax than the law says they have to ?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:32 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:45 pm
You don't need to go to university and bury yourself in books for years to know and understand sound concepts. Just compare the following economies:

The USA 1945-89 vs The USSR 1945-1989
South Korea vs North Korea
West Germany vs East Germany
Britain in the 1970s vs Britain in the 1980s
China 1945-1990 vs China 1990 onwards
Venezuela before Chavez vs Venezuela after Chavez

Low taxation isn't the only factor, of course, but it always IS a factor and it is an important one.
This is ballsy given the impact of our recent tax cuts budget.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:34 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:32 pm
This is ballsy given the impact of our recent tax cuts budget.
Ballsy?

Taxation has been in an upward trajectory for 26 years.

Where does it stop?

Just how stagnated an economy do we want before we reverse that direction?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:37 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:31 pm
As usual you appear to be answering a completely different question.

Do you think the amount of tax Lineker or other people earning what he does paid is too little or too much tax ?
We already know it was the correct amount of tax.
Last response for you Big Vinny K because I'm going to bed and I assume you need to at some point so you're fresh for the morning.

The correct amount of tax is neither too little or too much. It is the correct amount and this is the legal minimum that he is required to pay.
Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:31 pm
You said several times that he has managed to pay a low amount of tax. Yet you are saying that tax rates should come down. As I’m sure you are aware with all that financial expertise you have that it’s the highest earners like Lineker who account for the majority of the overall tax receipts in this country.

So should Lineker be paying more or less tax than he is doing now ?
And if it’s less than the 50% plus he’ll be paying and you also want to reduce tax burden on the lower earners how will that rather large Truss Economics clusterfuck of a hole in tax receipts be filled exactly ?

Will it be filled by your voluntary scheme of people paying more tax than the law says they have to ?
1. No
2. N/A
3. N/A

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Bosscat » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:40 pm

Night night Rowls and thanks for the entertainment 👍
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:42 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:29 pm
We have entered the insult zone.

I've made my point and argued for low taxation. I hope we get a low taxation government as soon as possible and I predict that if we have a government that carefully and consistently lowers taxation we can start to have a productive economy again and we can start to improve our prosperity once again.

It's no coincidence that the past 20+ years of high taxation have given us a stagnating economy.

Goodnight chaps. Insult away, if you can't debate.
And what happened in the 6 weeks they decided they wanted to adopt your batshit ideas ?
Oh and yes btw it is a coincidence. 12 years of austerity literally meant spending was cut and when that happens year after year things tend to stagnate unless those magic money trees start popping up.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:43 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:32 pm
This is ballsy given the impact of our recent tax cuts budget.
Actually, although taxes have risen consistently since 1997 there is one exception for low earners.

The coalition government of Cameron and Clegg significantly raised the income tax threshold for low earners. There followed a drop of millions to the numbers of unemployed / out of work as low paid jobs were brought out of the tax threshold and it meant that it was worth people going to work.

The Lib Dems deserve a LOT of the credit for this reform. It was the biggest success of the Cameron premiership. The UK employment figures were the envy of Europe.

The momentum of that reform was lost recently as successive governments failed to follow it up.

Then the budget just gone openly threw the policy out of the window. It's a great shame.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:43 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:42 pm
And what happened in the 6 weeks they decided they wanted to adopt your batshit ideas ?
Oh and yes btw it is a coincidence. 12 years of austerity literally meant spending was cut and when that happens year after year things tend to stagnate unless those magic money trees start popping up.
Get yourself to bed now Vinny!

It's school / work / TVAM in the morning.

Night night!

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:46 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:40 pm
Night night Rowls and thanks for the entertainment 👍
My pleasure though, at risk of sounding like a campaigning pop star, there is a serious message here.

The UK will continue to stagnate until we reverse the trend in continually rising taxes and expecting the government to pay for everything.

The lockdown policies we implement have only exacerbated the situation and they wrecked two decade of progress in getting people off benefits and back into work.

It needs to change. The country needs to follows Gary Lineker's example (on tax, that is) and say 'no' to excessive tax.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Bosscat » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:51 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:46 pm
My pleasure though, at risk of sounding like a campaigning pop star, there is a serious message here.

The UK will continue to stagnate until we reverse the trend in continually rising taxes and expecting the government to pay for everything.

The lockdown policies we implement have only exacerbated the situation and they wrecked two decade of progress in getting people off benefits and back into work.

It needs to change. The country needs to follows Gary Lineker's example (on tax, that is) and say 'no' to excessive tax.
I've been saying no to excessive taxation for years ... as a self employed chap, and for the past 7 yrs as a self paid retired person 😁
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:55 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:43 pm
Get yourself to bed now Vinny!

It's school / work / TVAM in the morning.

Night night!
You just can’t manage to switch off that bedside lamp can you Rowls ?
Put your phone down and get yourself off to bobos

And in the morning or afternoon or whenever it is in the day you have those thoughts you get of starting those threads where you pretend to be serious and sincere to mask your bigoted right wing views……stop and make yourself a brew and think who the feck am I trying to kid ?

Use that time wisely - maybe resit your Maths CSEs or go out and buy the most basic of economics books. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Night night Rowls.
It’s been far too easy making you look a fool tonight.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Spiral » Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:09 pm

rowls im not talking about pi$$ you had a wet dream over a tax policy announcement your english is not too good your reading comprehension is a bit shite i cant be arsed punctuating posts for you youre not worth it nobody wants to debateyoubecauseitsliketalkingtoaprecociouslibertarianchatbotcodedtotrollnowicantevenbearsedwiththespacesinthispostgoodnightthatsoundscivildoesntitgoodnightilikethisaffectitmakesoverconfidentdiscoursesattheregisterofquestiontimeandstudentunionpoliticssoundlessunhingednorowlseveryonecanseethesnarkandtheaffectedcivilityyourinabilitytotalklikeanormalpersonbetraysakindoftimidityyoudarentspeakyourviewsearnestlyorwithsinceritybecauseyoureincrediblytimidatheartsoyouplayacharacteronhereandthoseviewsareputinthischaractersmouthsowhenyourideasarechallengedthecharacteriswaylaidnotyouthecharactermakesyoufeelsafeandevenwhenyoureproddedintospeakingearnestlyandforthrightlyitspostedasthoughitwereintendedtobesaidwithabombastfoundonstagebecauseyourinterpersonalbehaviourwhichbordersonbeingasataristscharicatureisalearnedcopingmechanismthatallowsyoutonavigateaworldwherepeoplethinkyourestrangeasfkyoujustwanttobelovedbutthefearofbeinghurtdrivesyoutoplaythissmugcharacterweseeicanevenimaginehowhighyoureyebrowsareraisedasyoutypeandthesmirkandthegiggles

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:16 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:39 pm
Low tax means better economy, which equates to higher tax revenues.

This has been demonstrated time after time after time.

Decentralized, low tax economies outperform anything other kind of economic system known to man. This isn't in doubt.

We're seeing the proof before our eyes in the UK - 20+ years of increasing government spending and the economy is grinding to halt. Taxation levels are now higher than they've been since the end of WWII.

What kind of person sees this and thinks, "We need more of the same!"?
The kind of person who looks at stuff and goes "thats privatised now and its s**t"?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:17 pm

Rowls wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:46 pm
My pleasure though, at risk of sounding like a campaigning pop star, there is a serious message here.

The UK will continue to stagnate until we reverse the trend in continually rising taxes and expecting the government to pay for everything.

The lockdown policies we implement have only exacerbated the situation and they wrecked two decade of progress in getting people off benefits and back into work.

It needs to change. The country needs to follows Gary Lineker's example (on tax, that is) and say 'no' to excessive tax.
Yeah, I wonder what else could have happened that has turned us into an economic basket case?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by CoolClaret » Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:38 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:35 pm
I'm absolutely sold on the idea of a small state (massively sarcasm alert)

Absolutely everything that is wrong with our country at the moment is because we thought capitalism could run everything

And it can't run everything

Low tax means low public services, even more NHS issues, even more stuff just not working, and a very few very wealthy people absolutely raking it in
I’ll admit to being a bit more libertarian in my world views a few years back (the true type, not the kwasi karteng/Lizz truss disaster type) with truly free markets, no bailouts for banks etc etc but it is a bit of a pie in the sky view on things.

I have to agree with you - it’s clear as day that we can’t continue in this manner because we will be left with haves and have nots - and that is not conducive to a functioning, healthy society.

We can’t keep printing money and giving tax breaks to the rich because they’re lapping up all the excess cash as they own all the frigging assets - it’s an absolute circle of disaster.

https://youtu.be/RyIeC21XeLs

^ that interview was quite revealing on the whole situation (it’s about America economic policy but is applicable to us in mighty Blighty)

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Damo » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:32 am

Millionaire tax avoider gets white knighted by people who hate tax avoiders because he tweets some stuff that they agree with shock horror.
Reminds me of the Gary Neville "I'm only getting paid a fortune to pundit in Qatar to highlight human rights violations" nonsense
Bizarre
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:10 am

This is where the money is.......everyone else is fighting over crumbs!
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/ ... y-billions
It's the same in the states the truly wealthy get away with paying almost nothing.....(Trump) etc.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Taffy on the wing » Wed Mar 29, 2023 3:12 am

I fully expect to see a padlock on this thread come tomorrow.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:07 am

Damo wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:32 am
Millionaire tax avoider gets white knighted by people who hate tax avoiders because he tweets some stuff that they agree with shock horror.
Reminds me of the Gary Neville "I'm only getting paid a fortune to pundit in Qatar to highlight human rights violations" nonsense
Bizarre
How has he avoided tax ?
Under the current tax laws he will have paid a fortune in tax. Corporation tax and income tax on any dividends probably totalling going on for 60% for both (I’m assuming with that kind of earnings he pays himself the higher or additional tax rate equivalents)

What are his political beliefs got to do with this ? - he is paying the same rates as millions of directors of their own companies
The ONLY reason this thread was started was because the OP disagrees with Lineker’s views on immigration. He’s entitled to disagree with these of course but to then have no clue whatsoever about the very thing he pretended to start the thread about is embarrassing.

If you are going to start a thread about someone you dislike alleging they are some kind of tax cheat then maybe he should have chosen Donald Trump or the current PM or his wife for setting up non dom status. But we all know that’s not really why the thread was started so no real point dancing around the truth.
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