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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by SocialistClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:43 am

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:58 am

What I find to be nonsensical is the notion that an historically Christian country led by a Hindu (and with a Muslim leader north of the wall) with one of the most ethnically diverse populations and with a great record on integration is in any way similar to "Germany in the 1930s" and the obvious analogy to the Nazi regime. It really is silly.
Braverman calls migrants entering the UK an "invasion". Nazis called migrants entering Germany an "invasion".

I don't know how more simply this needs to be spelled out to you. I'm sure in the 1930s there were people warning about the dangers of this kind of rhetoric too, and i'm sure there were people calling those warnings "silly" too. As you point to a Hindu leader and hand-wave away as "silly" any notion that they could possibly be hateful towards a migrants in a christian country, i'm sure in the 30s there were people hand-waving away as "silly" the notion that Hitler, an immigrant, would ever be so hateful to fellow migrants.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:00 am

https://twitter.com/ZoeJardiniere/statu ... 0915747841

1% of applications for asylum processed

Under legislation passing parliament, no more will be processed who arrive after 7 March 2023

What on earth are they going to do?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:12 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:34 am
In 2019 a lot can happen in 4 years the article headline was published in 2022, do keep up.
Ok let's get up to date then.
Obviously numbers have increased in 2022, for a number of obvious reasons, but numbers are still way lower than most EU countries

Despite the increase in claims in the UK last year, the Home Office highlighted that the UK still receives fewer asylum seekers than a number of comparable European countries, including France:

The Home Office stated:
"There were 74,751 asylum applications (relating to 89,398 people) in the UK in 2022. This is more than twice the number of applications in 2019 and the highest number for almost 2 decades"
"In the year ending September 2022, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (296,555) in the EU+, followed by France (179,705) and Spain (128,015)."

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:19 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:12 pm
Ok let's get up to date then.
Obviously numbers have increased in 2022, for a number of obvious reasons, but numbers are still way lower than most EU countries

Despite the increase in claims in the UK last year, the Home Office highlighted that the UK still receives fewer asylum seekers than a number of comparable European countries, including France:

The Home Office stated:
We are currently in 2023 now if you hadn't noticed :D
I've stated before that not all migrants seek asylum & millions instead of waiting choose to illegal stay here & work.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by aggi » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm

Bear in mind before attempting to rationally debate this that Jakubclaret believes that an absolutely outrageous number of people (literally millions) are here working illegally and no-one, apart from Jakub, knows about them so all official figures are wrong.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:35 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm
Bear in mind before attempting to rationally debate this that Jakubclaret believes that an absolutely outrageous number of people (literally millions) are here working illegally and no-one, apart from Jakub, knows about them so all official figures are wrong.
Millions was tongue in cheek as a punchy number but factually nobody really knows an accurate figure, the official figures are guesswork. Things are in that much of a disarray.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by SocialistClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:43 pm

aggi wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:26 pm
Bear in mind before attempting to rationally debate this that Jakubclaret believes that an absolutely outrageous number of people (literally millions) are here working illegally and no-one, apart from Jakub, knows about them so all official figures are wrong.
It's actually billions.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:44 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:35 pm
Millions was tongue in cheek as a punchy number but factually nobody really knows an accurate figure, the official figures are guesswork. Things are in that much of a disarray.
Tongue in cheek eh ?
There’s the rest of us thinking you were lying again.

Was it also tongue in cheek when you said the UK was the number one country in the world for migrants ?
(Btw that would be a very positive thing to celebrate in any normal persons mind)

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:09 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:44 pm
Tongue in cheek eh ?
There’s the rest of us thinking you were lying again.

Was it also tongue in cheek when you said the UK was the number one country in the world for migrants ?
(Btw that would be a very positive thing to celebrate in any normal persons mind)
I actually said we was the number 1 destination for migrants, it is a positive thing if you are welcoming skilled migration doctors & nurses but we are seeing a drain on the welfare unfortunately & a strain on services which are already stretched to the maximum.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:14 pm

A great example of someone presented with evidence which totally refutes their baseless claim but who is unwilling to change their view. What a bigot.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:15 pm

Can you not go back to ignoring me please.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:16 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:15 pm
Can you not go back to ignoring me please.
At least you've acknowledged that the bigot I was referring to is you. Baby steps...

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:16 pm
At least you've acknowledged that the bigot I was referring to is you. Baby steps...
I don't agree with immigration & you do it's as simple as that, you can give me all the positive reasons & I can give you all the negative reasons & at the end of the day we still wouldn't agree.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:20 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:09 pm
I actually said we was the number 1 destination for migrants, it is a positive thing if you are welcoming skilled migration doctors & nurses but we are seeing a drain on the welfare unfortunately & a strain on services which are already stretched to the maximum.
We aren’t though are we.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:23 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:19 pm
I don't agree with immigration & you do it's as simple as that, you can give me all the positive reasons & I can give you all the negative reasons & at the end of the day we still wouldn't agree.
Classy.

I don't want you to agree with me, the day that you do is the day I will contemplate whether it's worth going on.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:24 pm

Screaming the quiet bit out loud really

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:25 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:09 pm
I actually said we was the number 1 destination for migrants, it is a positive thing if you are welcoming skilled migration doctors & nurses but we are seeing a drain on the welfare unfortunately & a strain on services which are already stretched to the maximum.
What difference does the word “destination’ make to what I said you said you fool ?

Why do you keep repeating lies about this ?

That’s a rhetorical question btw - nobody on this board is in any doubt as to why you do this and what you are.

How the moderators have not given you a permanent ban I will never know.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:30 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:25 pm
What difference does the word “destination’ make to what I said you said you fool ?

Why do you keep repeating lies about this ?

That’s a rhetorical question btw - nobody on this board is in any doubt as to why you do this and what you are.

How the moderators have not given you a permanent ban I will never know.
I could say the same about your views regarding being banned but whether I agree or disagree with your views you are entitled to them as everybody should be, it's called an open tolerant fair society, good day.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:38 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:30 pm
I could say the same about your views regarding being banned but whether I agree or disagree with your views you are entitled to them as everybody should be, it's called an open tolerant fair society, good day.
Aye
Tolerance is one of your many virtues

You need help.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:47 pm

SocialistClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:43 am
Braverman calls migrants entering the UK an "invasion". Nazis called migrants entering Germany an "invasion".

I don't know how more simply this needs to be spelled out to you. I'm sure in the 1930s there were people warning about the dangers of this kind of rhetoric too, and i'm sure there were people calling those warnings "silly" too. As you point to a Hindu leader and hand-wave away as "silly" any notion that they could possibly be hateful towards a migrants in a christian country, i'm sure in the 30s there were people hand-waving away as "silly" the notion that Hitler, an immigrant, would ever be so hateful to fellow migrants.
Migrants entering Germany?

Really?

Do you have a quote for this?

As I understand it, Germany received a few political refugees - ie. Nazis from other countries who were sympathetic to them.

People were trying to leave Nazi Germany; not enter it. There certainly were not large numbers of Albanian men trying to get into Nazi Germany.

However you re-phrase it, I think the allusion is silly and unwarranted.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:50 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:20 pm
We aren’t though are we.
We're clearly very high on the list and very clearly the No.1 destination for a lot of migrants claiming asylum.

Or else, there simply wouldn't be any in the UK, unless they were French, Irish, Norwegian etc.

If the Labour Party wants to get on board with public opinion with this, they need to match the government's commitment to tackling illegal immigration. They could then work on proposals for safe routes which the government haven't really done much about.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:52 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:47 pm
Migrants entering Germany?

Really?

Do you have a quote for this?

As I understand it, Germany received a few political refugees - ie. Nazis from other countries who were sympathetic to them.

People were trying to leave Nazi Germany; not enter it. There certainly were not large numbers of Albanian men trying to get into Nazi Germany.

However you re-phrase it, I think the allusion is silly and unwarranted.
*addendum: As I understand it, Germany received a few political refugees - ie. Nazis from other countries who were sympathetic to them - and ethnic Germans who chose to emigrate to the growing Nazi Germany and and were encouraged to do so for propaganda reasons.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:56 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:50 pm
We're clearly very high on the list and very clearly the No.1 destination for a lot of migrants claiming asylum.

Or else, there simply wouldn't be any in the UK, unless they were French, Irish, Norwegian etc.

If the Labour Party wants to get on board with public opinion with this, they need to match the government's commitment to tackling illegal immigration. They could then work on proposals for safe routes which the government haven't really done much about.
So we’re number 1 destination for people who come here. Bit obvious that. But also obvious, for anyone who’s taken a second to look at the numbers, is that most migrants prefer to go elsewhere. So to say ‘we’re the number one destination for migrants’ is demonstrably wrong.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Big Vinny K » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:02 pm

Rowls being Rowls.
Trying to defend and justify one of his message board mates who has repeated a blatant lie on this thread.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:04 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:50 pm
We're clearly very high on the list and very clearly the No.1 destination for a lot of migrants claiming asylum.

Or else, there simply wouldn't be any in the UK, unless they were French, Irish, Norwegian etc.

If the Labour Party wants to get on board with public opinion with this, they need to match the government's commitment to tackling illegal immigration. They could then work on proposals for safe routes which the government haven't really done much about.
Not sure public opinion is right behind you on this one Rowls

People want the problem being dealt with absolutely no doubt about it, but not in the way that is currently being proposed, and the lack of safe routes is completely indefensible
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:04 pm
Not sure public opinion is right behind you on this one Rowls

People want the problem being dealt with absolutely no doubt about it, but not in the way that is currently being proposed, and the lack of safe routes is completely indefensible
There is a pollster for IPSOS analysing the recent polling data, and they think that though some will warm to the Government because of their stance on boats, that isn't sustainable unless they can actually do something about it (which they aren't doing) and that it doesn't cut at all into the fears about cost of living and the economy

Essentially, they are looking like absolutely terrible people for no reason whatsoever, and being seen to not care about the 17.5% rise in food prices this month (which btw, is bloody worrying for everyone who isn't a millionaire)

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:49 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:50 pm
We're clearly very high on the list and very clearly the No.1 destination for a lot of migrants claiming asylum.

Or else, there simply wouldn't be any in the UK, unless they were French, Irish, Norwegian etc.

If the Labour Party wants to get on board with public opinion with this, they need to match the government's commitment to tackling illegal immigration. They could then work on proposals for safe routes which the government haven't really done much about.
That's precisely how I see it, it would be in vain for me to post another article to support that assertion because if you type anything into google & look hard enough it's as sure as eggs you'll find something, what gives UK the box seat is the backlog & long process in approval hence whilst that's happening the said migrant/refugee buys time & a period of comfort France as an eg wouldn't afford.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by dougcollins » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:19 pm


Essentially, they are looking like absolutely terrible people for no reason whatsoever, and being seen to not care about the 17.5% rise in food prices this month (which btw, is bloody worrying for everyone who isn't a millionaire)
But don't mention the B word.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:03 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:49 pm
That's precisely how I see it, it would be in vain for me to post another article to support that assertion because if you type anything into google & look hard enough it's as sure as eggs you'll find something, what gives UK the box seat is the backlog & long process in approval hence whilst that's happening the said migrant/refugee buys time & a period of comfort France as an eg wouldn't afford.
It would be in vain because it’s no true so there’s unlikely to be one. The last article you posted completely contradicted the stance you claimed it supported.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:15 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:56 pm
So we’re number 1 destination for people who come here. Bit obvious that. But also obvious, for anyone who’s taken a second to look at the numbers, is that most migrants prefer to go elsewhere. So to say ‘we’re the number one destination for migrants’ is demonstrably wrong.
Perhaps not all migrants end up at their No.1 destination?

It's certainly fair to say that Britain only takes a very small percentage of migrants and refugees worldwide. However, Britain is is also very small country.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:16 pm

Big Vinny K wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:02 pm
Rowls being Rowls.
Trying to defend and justify one of his message board mates who has repeated a blatant lie on this thread.
Don't know what this refers to.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by dougcollins » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:18 pm

Anyway, who's this Gary Lineker bloke?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:04 pm
Not sure public opinion is right behind you on this one Rowls

People want the problem being dealt with absolutely no doubt about it, but not in the way that is currently being proposed, and the lack of safe routes is completely indefensible
I think you might be mistaken here Lancaster. Obviously the likes of yourself and the people who 'like' your post will agree with you.

But I'm confident of what I've said. It's only off the top of my head but I believe public approval for the proposals on dealing with illegal immigrants who arrive by boat received a support level of 50% in early polling.

I don't know how many disagreed with the policy but that represents a very high level of support for the policy.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:22 pm

dougcollins wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:02 pm
But don't mention the B word.
Not at all.

Lancaster was doing the skirting around the issue and so I brought it up. I posted a few facts and figures for him.

The news today about joining the CPTPP is very welcome. The spinning of it as a neglible benefit is daft - this kind of agreement and trade alliances are the way forward.

These are the kinds of trade agreements that the EU is both incapable of and unwilling to make. In an increasingly global market, protectionists entities like the EU risk being left behind.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:19 pm
There is a pollster for IPSOS analysing the recent polling data, and they think that though some will warm to the Government because of their stance on boats, that isn't sustainable unless they can actually do something about it (which they aren't doing) and that it doesn't cut at all into the fears about cost of living and the economy

Essentially, they are looking like absolutely terrible people for no reason whatsoever, and being seen to not care about the 17.5% rise in food prices this month (which btw, is bloody worrying for everyone who isn't a millionaire)
Ah, I see what you're saying.

Oh yes, agreed: If the Conservatives aren't capable of following this through and making it work it will blow up in their faces. And given they're already 20 points behind in the polls that a fatal blow.

On the other hand, if they implement it successfully and the policy stops the small boat crossings I expect them to make the next GE a close race. I think they'd still lose but it will be close if they pull this off.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:25 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:19 pm
I think you might be mistaken here Lancaster. Obviously the likes of yourself and the people who 'like' your post will agree with you.

But I'm confident of what I've said. It's only off the top of my head but I believe public approval for the proposals on dealing with illegal immigrants who arrive by boat received a support level of 50% in early polling.

I don't know how many disagreed with the policy but that represents a very high level of support for the policy.
A recent poll showed Labour were more trusted than the Tories on immigration.
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:28 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:15 pm
Perhaps not all migrants end up at their No.1 destination?
That’s proper clutching at straws. You’d have more credence in the rest of the conversation if you just agreed the statement was wrong.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:33 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:24 pm
Ah, I see what you're saying.

Oh yes, agreed: If the Conservatives aren't capable of following this through and making it work it will blow up in their faces. And given they're already 20 points behind in the polls that a fatal blow.

On the other hand, if they implement it successfully and the policy stops the small boat crossings I expect them to make the next GE a close race. I think they'd still lose but it will be close if they pull this off.
You'll have to tell me the policy they are planning to implement Rowls

There currently isn't one that is legal, and they aren't safe and legal routes, so the back log is just going to grow, and the dangers of another tragedy in the channel will also grow

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:35 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:22 pm
Not at all.

Lancaster was doing the skirting around the issue and so I brought it up. I posted a few facts and figures for him.

The news today about joining the CPTPP is very welcome. The spinning of it as a neglible benefit is daft - this kind of agreement and trade alliances are the way forward.

These are the kinds of trade agreements that the EU is both incapable of and unwilling to make. In an increasingly global market, protectionists entities like the EU risk being left behind.
It wasn't "skirting around the issue" to be fair

You have no choice but to carpet bomb the area (ie you) when you are refusing to accept that stuff has relevance!

And they were very nice graphs and charts

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by scrambledclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:40 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:19 pm

But I'm confident of what I've said. It's only off the top of my head but I believe public approval for the proposals on dealing with illegal immigrants who arrive by boat received a support level of 50% in early polling.

I don't know how many disagreed with the policy but that represents a very high level of support for the policy.
Are you talking about this poll taken shortly after the initial announcement last year? It found that only 35% of those surveyed were in support of the policy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 58114.html

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by dsr » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:51 pm

SocialistClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:55 am
I think wanting concentration camps for asylum seekers and migrants, but being too cowardly to put them in your own country, is definitely something you should be scared of saying out loud.
I see the Lineker approach to sophistry isn't copyright. I presume you don't actually mean that the camps in Rwanda are akin to Belsen, Auschwitz, and the rest? Are you using language designed to give that impression while keeping an escape route to say that you didn't mean the term in the way people would typically understand it?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:58 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:33 pm
You'll have to tell me the policy they are planning to implement Rowls
I thought you followed current affairs? It’s the plan to send illegal immigrant to Rwanda.

It made major headlines.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:35 pm
It wasn't "skirting around the issue" to be fair
You were refusing to even mention Brexit so i think “skirting around” is apt description in this case.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:00 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:28 pm
That’s proper clutching at straws. You’d have more credence in the rest of the conversation if you just agreed the statement was wrong.
It just comes down to our pinions Martin so not much point going down this route.

I suspect the U.K. would be a top destination of choice for a lot of third world emigrants.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:01 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:58 pm
I thought you followed current affairs? It’s the plan to send illegal immigrant to Rwanda.

It made major headlines.
Why isn't it being used then?

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:03 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:01 pm
Why isn't it being used then?
It’s a watch this space thing now isn’t it?

They’ll either succeed in this or fail. There’s little to no scope for grey areas.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:05 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:59 pm
You were refusing to even mention Brexit so i think “skirting around” is apt description in this case.
I have limited capacity in my tolerance bank for anyone who writes about the current economic issues affecting this country and doesn't think that Brexit has played a part in our struggles Rowls

It is over, its done, but the impacts are still affecting us, and will continue to affect us as long as we continue to ignore the effects of it
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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:07 pm

Rowls wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:03 pm
It’s a watch this space thing now isn’t it?

They’ll either succeed in this or fail. There’s little to no scope for grey areas.
Its this lots idea

Why isn't it being used then?

Surely we didn't send poor old Suella over to Rwanda to cackle like a demented loon in front of accommodation (that wasn't even going to be used by the refugees) just for a photo op..........oh

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by Rowls » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:05 pm
I have limited capacity in my tolerance bank for anyone who writes about the current economic issues affecting this country and doesn't think that Brexit has played a part in our struggles Rowls

It is over, its done, but the impacts are still affecting us, and will continue to affect us as long as we continue to ignore the effects of it
I’ve shown you some good evidence showing it has had minimal impact.

There’s no discernible change to gdp whatsoever. The pain was always going to be short term, the possible benefits longer term.

Take, for example the trade deal signed today. Looks like the BBC are scoffing using the 0.08% figure but that’s still millions of pounds and -more pertinently- that is the starting point for that trade agreement.

A lot of the countries involved are growing economies and if the U.K. gov & businesses lay their part effectively then trade between can grow far beyond that starting figure.

You say you don’t have tolerance for people with differing opinions on this matter. That’s a shame, especially as you didn’t counter any of the points I made about brexit.

I’d have thought that if you were so convinced of your opinions you’d have been more inclined to put them forward rather than the other way round.

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Re: Gary Lineker

Post by roperclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:16 pm

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Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:24 pm
Ah, I see what you're saying.

Oh yes, agreed: If the Conservatives aren't capable of following this through and making it work it will blow up in their faces. And given they're already 20 points behind in the polls that a fatal blow.

On the other hand, if they implement it successfully and the policy stops the small boat crossings I expect them to make the next GE a close race. I think they'd still lose but it will be close if they pull this off.
And this is the saddest thing. With all the problems people are dealing with, stopping a few desperate people trying to get themselves a better life instead of properly sorting the country out, might, just might keep them in power. I despair for voters priorities 😔
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