Well fair enough, it isn't what I am saying, but if you misunderstood I'll take responsibility.Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:53 pmI don't think I could have been clearer
If you are not an refugee, and you fail your asylum claim, then you shouldn't be here
To find that out, you have to actually process and deal with asylum claims, you can't just assume that people are illegal immigrants
Unless I'm wrong, that is what you are essentially saying, and that is where the language and attitudes of Bravermann have got us to
I take the attitude that if these people had a legitimate claim for asylum, they wouldn't need to circumvent the application process, by crossing the channel in boats, on the back of lorries etc. Before you argue, I don't doubt that the mud bath of legislation makes it difficult for genuine asylum seekers as well, but these obstacles are all removable.
At the same time, it is very simple imo, to categorise people who aren't genuine. The country they have travelled from being the top of the list. We know which countries have a poor track record for political or religious persecution. We know which ones don't. There has to be people who we can just say NO to, without clogging up the judicial system. As I said earlier, it might make the genuine claimants task a lot easier and quicker.
FOR THOSE PEOPLE who are just working the system, and have no right to be here, there has to be a quick, and easy solution. I also think that despite how offensive some people on here find it, the solution has to be a deterrent, and if sending people to Rwanda deters others from crossing the channel illegally, then it is a success.
I'm more than happy if someone can come up with an alternative to Rwanda, I'm not blinkered by it, but that alternative has to be just as effective a deterrent. To simply say I don't like it, without offering a credible alternative is just being churlish. We have to do something. The government has to do something, and while we can agree the government are making a pigs ear of it, at least they are trying. Those objectors, like Lineker, don't want them to even try.