Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

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Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by durhamclaret » Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:59 pm

News from the north east is that tomorrow’s game will pause on 15 mins to allow players to take on fluids those who observe Ramadan.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Belial » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 pm

Nice one. Might have a beer before the game then...usually only takes 15 mins before I need a slash

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by RickyBobby » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 pm

I thought it was after sunset they could drink and eat? Sunset tomorrow is at 19:42, not 20:15. Or is it half an hour after sunset?

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Lip » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm

What a wonderful gesture.Has this happened before or is it a new initiative?

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Lip wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm
What a wonderful gesture.Has this happened before or is it a new initiative?
It's gone on for years, just doesn't always get much attention.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by wilks_bfc » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Lip wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm
What a wonderful gesture.Has this happened before or is it a new initiative?
There was a game stopped last season. I think it was against Southampton.

If I recall it wasn’t previously announced and there was some initial confusion from supporters as to why the game was stopped

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by bodge » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm

It was mentioned in the club's e mail this afternoon about the pause after 15 mins, the stadium info ahead of the game e mail.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Bosscat » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Lip wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:12 pm
What a wonderful gesture.Has this happened before or is it a new initiative?
Its been happening for quite a while now

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:20 pm

Makes sense really. Must be tough trying to fast and combine their religion with professional sport.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:40 pm

I find this situation quite strange insofar as picking a player that the club knows hasn't eaten or taken a drink since sunrise.
If a player was to be seriously injured or God forbid died due to hydration, I can't think of a more cut and dried case of negligence.
The club is fully 100 % knowingly picking a player that has not taken on any liquid before playing.
I know it's extreme but blindingly obvious.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by TsarBomba » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:48 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:40 pm
I find this situation quite strange insofar as picking a player that the club knows hasn't eaten or taken a drink since sunrise.
If a player was to be seriously injured or God forbid died due to hydration, I can't think of a more cut and dried case of negligence.
The club is fully 100 % knowingly picking a player that has not taken on any liquid before playing.
I know it's extreme but blindingly obvious.
I’m guessing you didn’t read the article put out yesterday by the club on how they support those players observing Ramadan.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:52 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:48 pm
I’m guessing you didn’t read the article put out yesterday by the club on how they support those players observing Ramadan.
No, I haven't seen that article.
Will have a read. Thanks.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Bosscat » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:52 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:40 pm
I find this situation quite strange insofar as picking a player that the club knows hasn't eaten or taken a drink since sunrise.
If a player was to be seriously injured or God forbid died due to hydration, I can't think of a more cut and dried case of negligence.
The club is fully 100 % knowingly picking a player that has not taken on any liquid before playing.
I know it's extreme but blindingly obvious.
Ramadan has been around a long time ... I am sure professional sportsmen/women know how to observe Ramadan correctly and the sports clubs who they play for ...

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:59 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:15 pm
There was a game stopped last season. I think it was against Southampton.

If I recall it wasn’t previously announced and there was some initial confusion from supporters as to why the game was stopped
I think it was Southampton and there hadn’t been any advance info on it thus the confusion.

We confirmed yesterday that we have several first team players who are observing Ramadan.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Nonayforever » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:07 pm

TsarBomba wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:48 pm
I’m guessing you didn’t read the article put out yesterday by the club on how they support those players observing Ramadan.
Cheers Tsar,
Very interesting article. The club obviously doing everything they can for any player observing Ramadan.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:11 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:07 pm
Cheers Tsar,
Very interesting article. The club obviously doing everything they can for any player observing Ramadan.
It’s been like that, and rightly so, for a while but it’s good that the club are making it known so we know what’s going on when the game stops.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by wilks_bfc » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:23 pm

Just had a thought.
The upcoming games being moved to evening kick offs could be to our advantage.

Would those observing Ramadan have played if they had been 3pm kick offs?

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by box_of_frogs » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:29 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:23 pm
Just had a thought.
The upcoming games being moved to evening kick offs could be to our advantage.

Would those observing Ramadan have played if they had been 3pm kick offs?
I’m sure they would. With appropriate mitigations in place.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Boss Hogg » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:32 pm

Are players in a fit state to play if they haven’t eaten ?

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:52 pm

Not religious at all but sure I’ve read they can break the fast if it interferes with work safety.
Sunderland will be grateful for the breather.

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Post by Stayingup » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:04 pm

RickyBobby wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:03 pm
I thought it was after sunset they could drink and eat? Sunset tomorrow is at 19:42, not 20:15. Or is it half an hour after sunset?
True. Before sun up - sun here haha - and sundown.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Hurstwood_Claret » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:11 pm

Who are our players that observe it? We have ‘multiple players’

Zaroury?
Dervisoglu?

Anyone else?

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Post by dougcollins » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:13 pm

Al- Dakhil, at a guess.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:42 pm

Will they want beans on toast as well?

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:49 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:32 pm
Are players in a fit state to play if they haven’t eaten ?
I’ve often wondered this. I know I certainly wouldn’t be up for running around, never mind at a high intensity for 90 minutes. I imagine they’ll compensate as best they can but still, you’d have to think they’re not going into these games at peak fitness.

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Post by daveisaclaret » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:52 pm

Kosovo is a majority Muslim country and Muric's parents are from a Muslim area of what's now Montenegro so could also be him.

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Post by FCBurnley » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:55 pm

Do all players get a break or just those observing Ramadan

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Robbie_painter » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:55 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:42 pm
Will they want beans on toast as well?
Strange comment,why would they want beans on toast?

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Post by IanMcL » Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:58 pm

Some carbs!

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:23 pm
Just had a thought.
The upcoming games being moved to evening kick offs could be to our advantage.
How would that be? (Unless our opponents have a lot of Muslim players.)
I don't fully understand the Ramadan rules and protocols for professional footballers, but if they aren't eating in daylight hours, then 8pm is a lot longer to be fasting than 3pm. (Daylight hours in April are roughly 7am to 8pm)

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Post by fatboy47 » Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:36 pm

I'd thought the only god these chaps worshipped was Mammon tbh.

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Post by dsr » Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:21 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:11 pm
How would that be? (Unless our opponents have a lot of Muslim players.)
I don't fully understand the Ramadan rules and protocols for professional footballers, but if they aren't eating in daylight hours, then 8pm is a lot longer to be fasting than 3pm. (Daylight hours in April are roughly 7am to 8pm)
If you live far enough north for it to be a problem, then you can use Mecca time. For example, if you live in Tromso and Ramadan is at the end of May, the sun wouldn't go down until August - a bit too long to retain fitness!

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Post by Stanbill05 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:32 am

I hope they defer fast to another time and make a donation instead, especially for a night match. A very personal decision I appreciate and many wont like "cheating" but it is very much allowed in Ramadam. Can't see how they won't be shadows of players otherwise.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Tufty » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:55 am

Why does God have such a strict timetable? Surely he's understandable enough to allow fasting to take place in or around Ramadan.

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Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:54 am

Tufty wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:55 am
Why does God have such a strict timetable? Surely he's understandable enough to allow fasting to take place in or around Ramadan.
I don't think it's anything to do with God. It's to do with showing self-discipline, self -sacrifice and respect for a religious tradition.
(Just like not eating meat on a Friday was widely observed at one time in the UK).

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Post by HistoricalClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:27 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:40 pm
I find this situation quite strange insofar as picking a player that the club knows hasn't eaten or taken a drink since sunrise.
If a player was to be seriously injured or God forbid died due to hydration, I can't think of a more cut and dried case of negligence.
The club is fully 100 % knowingly picking a player that has not taken on any liquid before playing.
I know it's extreme but blindingly obvious.
No liquid other than water of course because when fasting you can still drink water, I assume you were unaware of that minor detail.

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Post by KellyClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:02 pm

HistoricalClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:27 pm
No liquid other than water of course because when fasting you can still drink water, I assume you were unaware of that minor detail.
As a general rule, no liquids allowed including water.
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Post by HistoricalClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:18 pm

KellyClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:02 pm
As a general rule, no liquids allowed including water.
I went to a school with a hell of a lot of Muslim students and during exam periods which coincided with Ramadan their Imans allowed them to consume water due to exceptional circumstances I would expect the same applies to professional sports players.

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Post by mdd2 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:15 pm

Wonder if they uphold the Third pillar and stick to the true meaning of Zakat

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Post by dsr » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:53 pm

HistoricalClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:18 pm
I went to a school with a hell of a lot of Muslim students and during exam periods which coincided with Ramadan their Imans allowed them to consume water due to exceptional circumstances I would expect the same applies to professional sports players.
It's not a "rule" for children anyway, so far as I know. For children, it's optional as a means of showing support for others, but it's not a religious requirement.

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Post by Milltown1882 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:25 pm

41 posts of people telling other religions how they should live their lives is always good value on here.

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Post by CFS » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:34 pm

Today's fast opens at 7.48pm.

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Post by NRC » Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:33 pm

HistoricalClaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:18 pm
I went to a school with a hell of a lot of Muslim students and during exam periods which coincided with Ramadan their Imans allowed them to consume water due to exceptional circumstances I would expect the same applies to professional sports players.
I lived in the Middle East for 10 years - my understanding is that Ramadan had concessions built into it for professional athletes actually conducting their profession at the time (that would ordinarily conflict)

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Post by Casper2 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:47 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:25 pm
41 posts of people telling other religions how they should live their lives is always good value on here.
The fact you have counted is rather strange .

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:44 pm

Milltown1882 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:25 pm
41 posts of people telling other religions how they should live their lives is always good value on here.
Not sure you’ve actually read the posts… Stop looking for trouble.

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by ClaretsPadiham » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:03 pm

Did it stop ? Not sure it did ?

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Re: Sunderland match will pause on 15 mins

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:09 pm

ClaretsPadiham wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:03 pm
Did it stop ? Not sure it did ?
Yeah, after the flare was thrown onto the pitch. 20 mins or so had gone by then though

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