Clarets v Mackems

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by up_the_clarets_1989 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:53 pm

I know it’s the same at every club, but some of our fans are an absolute joke. They don’t deserve the current squad. Having a hissy fit and calling the players all sorts because we’ve drawn a game. Pathetic.

We’re going to end this season as one of the best teams the championship has ever seen and we’ve been a joy to watch regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season. Up the Clarets.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by NewClaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:54 pm

distortiondave wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:40 pm
We were well better than them and on another day would have scored at least 3.

That said, a better team than them (of which there will be 19 next year) will score at least one of the first half mix up/second half bar chances.
Can’t argue with any of that.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by JLR81 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:56 pm

Royboyclaret wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:05 pm
Far too much sideways, backwards......the result was inevitable with 30 minutes to play.
how do you still not understand how we play?
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:56 pm

Hardest press we have come across this season but can’t help but think, only have 2 midfielders from kick off today allowed them to press more

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:00 pm

Muric, Beyer, Maatsen, Roberts, Cullen and Zaroury had all played in the break, while Benson and THB were coming back from pretty long spells out, always going to be a bit of rustiness out there.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:06 pm

Pretty much signed & sealed already & it's a point against decent opposition there's not much to grumble about in the grand scheme of things.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Carwin261 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:08 pm

Thought JBG was the best player on the pitch when he came on,no complaints,but I would have brought him in at half time ,as Swizzlestick says it’s not a break for the players when they’re on international duty ,I’d give them Sat,Sun,& Monday off ,and be up for it over Easter.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Swizzlestick » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:10 pm

Carwin261 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:08 pm
Thought JBG was the best player on the pitch when he came on,no complaints,but I would have brought him in at half time ,as Swizzlestick says it’s not a break for the players when they’re on international duty ,I’d give them Sat,Sun,& Monday off ,and be up for it over Easter.
Same, thought Iceman looked sharp, deserves a start next time out.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by beddie » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:20 pm

Yes too many players just not on their game although in fairness Sunderland did a good job on us. We missed that extra bit of quality in the box. Let’s move on.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Joe14 » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:22 pm

Need Cork back

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:27 pm

Thought Sunderland were distinctly average any other day we’d have beaten them easily: But good to see them celebrating being 11th at the end plus they got to throw a few flares.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Commy » Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:45 pm

You can't be brilliant all of the time, even City have bad games. It's the not losing that counts when you aren't on top form. We are very good at getting at least a point when not playing at our best. It was just up front where it didn't click tonight but we didn't up the tempo like we usually do in the second half. Too easy for them to get back into shape.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Burnleyareback2 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:19 am

up_the_clarets_1989 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:53 pm
I know it’s the same at every club, but some of our fans are an absolute joke. They don’t deserve the current squad. Having a hissy fit and calling the players all sorts because we’ve drawn a game. Pathetic.

We’re going to end this season as one of the best teams the championship has ever seen and we’ve been a joy to watch regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season. Up the Clarets.
The screaming for Muric to kick it long in the last 15 mins was dreadful. 3 out of the 4 long balls went out of play.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:23 am

we were just lulling Boro into a false sense of security

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by jtv » Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:24 am

For all those mentioning the bar Sunderland hit: the player with the assist was offside when he gor the ball and if we got lucky with the bar they got lucky with the deflection that changed the trajectory of the shot.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:16 am

This forum is amusing when we fail to win.

Not anywhere close to our best last night, yet if we'd buried our chances we would have won comfortably, equally Sunderland could point to hitting the bar, so on balance a draw seems fair.

Plenty of positives to take from that 90 minutes.

Point nearer to promotion.
Clean sheet and Muric was fine when called upon.
Much needed minutes for Benson, Brownhill and THB which should ensure they are ready for the tough tests Easter weekend will provide.
18 unbeaten now.
20 unbeaten at home, which may well be a club record from the start of a season.

Over the course of a long season games such as last night will crop up now and then, and given their efforts over the campaign I'm willing to cut the lads some slack when they don't hit the high standards they've previously shown.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Pickles » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:19 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:16 am
This forum is amusing when we fail to win.
It really is, isn't it. Some people are way more active on here when we don't win, it's a bit of a weird one.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by NewClaret » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:27 am

Negatives for me last night were no Cork, THBs passing and slightly late subs I thought (needed a freshen up on 60 minutes or so).

Otherwise, looked very much like a first game back after international break with very few training sessions.

Lots of other positives, including the players back from injury.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:30 am

Pickles wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:19 am
It really is, isn't it. Some people are way more active on here when we don't win, it's a bit of a weird one.
Almost like they are waiting for a poor display before piling in.

That doesn't mean our manager and players should be immune from criticism if they don't perform, however it's way OTT especially when we're racing away with the title, and have barely tasted defeat all season.

I sense some posters got carried away during our 10 straight victories, and it was obvious to most that we wouldn't maintain that incredible form, however in the 8 games since we've won 4 and drawn 4, it's not exactly terrible results is it.

You often find that teams struggle to get over the line when close, but absolutely no need to panic because we are going up of that I have no doubts.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:31 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:27 am
Negatives for me last night were no Cork, THBs passing and slightly late subs I thought (needed a freshen up on 60 minutes or so).

Otherwise, looked very much like a first game back after international break with very few training sessions.

Lots of other positives, including the players back from injury.
Spot on

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Pickles » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:36 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:30 am
Almost like they are waiting for a poor display before piling in.
I don't think it's "almost", it's exactly that. The Turf has been immense this season but considering how superb we've played there's been a frequent weird tetchiness. It's most apparent with Muric and the centre halves, it seems huge swathes of our fanbase haven't cottoned on yet to how we play. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't garnering results... I don't mind the sorts of threads we have after a defeat or a draw - there are many good points made - but perspective often flies out of the window. Reading some of the comments, if you didn't know where Burnley were in the league, you'd think we were lower half.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:39 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:30 am
Almost like they are waiting for a poor display before piling in.
There's always been a section of our support like that.
And its probably a situation at most other clubs too.

A draw was fair.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by warksclaret » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:45 am

WE were not clicking last night with the front four not at the top of their game. Hopefully it gets a bad performance out of the way. I wonder whether having 13 players away disjointed planning particularly off the back of a big defeat at Man City

I cannot help feeling that since Cork stopped making the first team we appear a little mis jointed and have lost our balance in midfield with a lot on Cullens shoulders. We have played our best football this year with Cullen/Cork/ Brownhill in midfield. Last night we had Tella/ Barnes/Zarrourry and Benson, which admittedly is being very attack minded, but all four showed a lack of quality and control when it mattered.

I am sure VK will have dissected last night and we will see the benefits in the vital Boro game

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by RVclaret » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:48 am

Pickles wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:36 am
I don't think it's "almost", it's exactly that. The Turf has been immense this season but considering how superb we've played there's been a frequent weird tetchiness. It's most apparent with Muric and the centre halves, it seems huge swathes of our fanbase haven't cottoned on yet to how we play. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't garnering results... I don't mind the sorts of threads we have after a defeat or a draw - there are many good points made - but perspective often flies out of the window. Reading some of the comments, if you didn't know where Burnley were in the league, you'd think we were lower half.
I watched Boro against Stoke recently and their crowd was verrry tetchy with the playing out stuff. Like way more than us. I went on their board/twitter to check it out after and there were so many moaning / arguing about the keeper’s passing etc. And that’s despite Carrick taking them from relegation zone to within striking distance of 2nd playing great football! Think there’s just an overweighting of clueless football fans in general.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:54 am

Pickles wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:36 am
I don't think it's "almost", it's exactly that. The Turf has been immense this season but considering how superb we've played there's been a frequent weird tetchiness. It's most apparent with Muric and the centre halves, it seems huge swathes of our fanbase haven't cottoned on yet to how we play. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't garnering results... I don't mind the sorts of threads we have after a defeat or a draw - there are many good points made - but perspective often flies out of the window. Reading some of the comments, if you didn't know where Burnley were in the league, you'd think we were lower half.
I could understand the nerves regarding our style of play early in the season, however now we're nearly 40 games in and yet some still don't appear to understand why we play the possession game to wear opponents down.

Usually this results in goals later in the match as teams tire, last night Sunderland competed well throughout the 90 mins and earned their point.

Ultimately it's a more useful point for us than it is for them as really they need wins to mount a late play-off push.

Context is important and I'm thrilled at how the season as a whole is panning out, last night wasn't exactly as we'd hoped, but we are bound to deliver the odd below par performance occasionally.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:02 am

Pickles wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:36 am
I don't think it's "almost", it's exactly that. The Turf has been immense this season but considering how superb we've played there's been a frequent weird tetchiness. It's most apparent with Muric and the centre halves, it seems huge swathes of our fanbase haven't cottoned on yet to how we play. I wouldn't mind so much if it wasn't garnering results... I don't mind the sorts of threads we have after a defeat or a draw - there are many good points made - but perspective often flies out of the window. Reading some of the comments, if you didn't know where Burnley were in the league, you'd think we were lower half.
Hmm. Last night both the keeper and, in particular, THB were very ponderous, almost lackadaisical, in possession and some of the passes made almost cost us. The crowd in the main have come round pretty quickly to our style of play and while there was some tetchiness, as you say, last night, I don’t think it was entirely unfounded.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Pickles » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:03 am

It should take someone four minutes to watch us this season to get some gauge of how we play. Forty games in, like tiger76 says, and we're still seeing the same nonsense criticism. I could understand it possibly if we weren't running away with the league the way we are. It's bizarre. The way we play obviously works.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Pickles » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:05 am

Swizzlestick wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:02 am
Hmm. Last night both the keeper and, in particular, THB were very ponderous, almost lackadaisical, in possession and some of the passes made almost cost us. The crowd in the main have come round pretty quickly to our style of play and while there was some tetchiness, as you say, last night, I don’t think it was entirely unfounded.
Yes, we just generally weren't as slick and it's absolutely fair to point that out. But a bit of context for some supporters too. One ponderous game in about twenty doesn't warrant some of the comments on here but hey, it's opinions isn't it. We're going up and we've been class while doing it.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:05 am

Burnleyareback2 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:19 am
The screaming for Muric to kick it long in the last 15 mins was dreadful. 3 out of the 4 long balls went out of play.
Exactly this, everytime we launched it we surrendered possession. I actually pointed this out to a bloke next to me who's constantly shouting at Muric to "get rid of it" but don't think it registered.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:07 am

Pickles wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:05 am
Yes, we just generally weren't as slick and it's absolutely fair to point that out. But a bit of context for some supporters too. One ponderous game in about twenty doesn't warrant some of the comments on here but hey, it's opinions isn't it. We're going up and we've been class while doing it.
Oh yeah, the comments on here are idiotic, but that’s UTC! More on the Turf.
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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by Pickles » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:08 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:05 am
Exactly this, everytime we launched it we surrendered possession. I actually pointed this out to a bloke next to me who's constantly shouting at Muric to "get rid of it" but don't think it registered.
Sounds like he'd be well suited to the Muric thread on here. Some interesting points, accurate observations, but on the whole it's hysterical whingeing about a player who has been fundamental to our success this season.

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Re: Clarets v Mackems

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:19 am

Last night we were 4 on 4 late on when Muric had the ball, the boot upfield was on with JBG and Obafemi expecting it whereas they had 4 attackers pressing us hard. The short passing at the back wasn’t working. I don’t think Muric has the experience to judge that yet. Even City go long at times when the press is too good from the opponent.

I get that the normal Burnley is to go zip, zip, zip with the short passes and cut through them into the space in midfield, but when that wasn’t working as well at times it needs a plan B. That’s what the crowd sensed, I’m sure there was the occasional OTT moaner but most of the urging was reasonable I thought.
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