Timewasting

[agreenwood]

I know we did it plenty in the Prem, but does anyone know what the actual rules/directives to referees are these days?

Every goalkick in the second half last night was the same. They’d feign a short one before the GK would usher the defenders forward for a long one - at least 30 seconds off the clock each time. They used the same tactic on free kicks with the player initially stood over the ball never being the one to take it.

I’m also lost as to whether there’s still a time limit for a GK to hold the ball in their hands. I get that you’ve got to allow longer when the GK has been on the floor with the ball, but last night he seemed to hold it for 10+ seconds each time.

There’s been a lot of messaging from the authorities about tackling time wasting, but very little evidence of it happening.

We’re seeing it in most games now, but it’s rare for anyone to get booked.

[RammyClaret61]

In the last 20 minutes, watching on tv, I was checking how long the keeper was taking, 20 seconds most of the time.

[pushpinpussy]

Pope was a master at it.

[paulatky]

No set time limit anymore for the keeper to get rid of the ball. Referee’s discretion

[4:20]

Any player that gets substituted and decides to take his shin pads off while still on the pitch in the process of being subbed, should get booked

[Roosterbooster]

In the last 20 minutes, watching on tv, I was checking how long the keeper was taking, 20 seconds most of the time.

I was there and counting in my head. In stoppage time, the keeper had the ball in his hands for about 45 seconds in a 3 minute period. First time for 19 seconds, then a short time later for at least 25 seconds. The ref gestured at him to get a move on, and he still held on to it for another 10 seconds. I'm fairly certain the 6 second rule still exists.

The refs need to sort this out. They just gesture with their arms, and allow them to carry on as normal. Its infuriating. I know people will point to Pope when he played for us, but that was pretty cringeworthy at times too.

And its not just keepers holding onto the ball. Every stoppage takes 10 seconds longer than it should - goal kicks, throw ins, minor (feigning - I'm looking at you Trai Hume) injuries, subs... add it all together and its a huge amount of time, which doesn't actually get added on.

They also need to do something about the opposition crowding free kick takers. So many times Cullen or THB or Beyer played the ball backwards rather than their intended forward pass because a Sunderland player would run towards the ball. Should be an instant booking. It's ruining football

[ElectroClaret]

I don't think I've ever seen a keeper penalised for retaining the ball too long.

[jedi_master]

Sunderland killed the game off in the last ten very well last night. It felt like barely any football was played. Fair play to them, they did a job on us and for me did earn the point.

[ClaretLoup]

They also need to do something about the opposition crowding free kick takers. So many times Cullen or THB or Beyer played the ball backwards rather than their intended forward pass because a Sunderland player would run towards the ball. Should be an instant booking. It's ruining football

This is a bugbear of mine and I notice it is now accepted practice for a defender to move towards the ball when a free kick is awarded to slow the game down. This is a pretty simple rule to enforce really. Any player moving towards the ball gets booked for obstructing a free kick being taken. Another one is booting the ball further away from the place the free kick is awarded so the takers have to go and fetch it. We pay to watch football not players running after dead balls.

[quoonbeatz]

No set time limit anymore for the keeper to get rid of the ball. Referee’s discretion

Nope. The time limit is still 6 seconds and taking longer than that should result in an indirect free kick.

[helmclaret]

The only real answer to this is score and get ahead.

Happens at every ground - imagine the time wasting done at City and the other top clubs each week.

[Jakubclaret]

Can't blame Sunderland for adopting them tactics if they qualify within a point for the playoffs they'll look back at last night & see it as a mechanism which enabled that.

[Big Vinny K]

Nope. The time limit is still 6 seconds and taking longer than that should result in an indirect free kick.

It should you are right but at the moment is used as much in football as one of those medieval laws where you are allowed to covet a sheep every second Thursday of midsummer.

When was the last time you saw any referee in any league apply this law and give a free kick ?
There was a game earlier this season where the away keeper was taking more than 20 seconds every time he had the ball in his hands and the ref did nothing. At worst the keepers will get booked for time wasting - which they are happy to take one card - but there is never a free kick given. I don’t understand it all as if the law was applied it would get rid of this type of time wasting as conceding a free kick in your own area is not worth the time wasting.

[quoonbeatz]

It should you are right but at the moment is used as much in football as one of those medieval laws where you are allowed to covet a sheep every second Thursday of midsummer.

When was the last time you saw any referee in any league apply this law and give a free kick ?
There was a game earlier this season where the away keeper was taking more than 20 seconds every time he had the ball in his hands and the ref did nothing. At worst the keepers will get booked for time wasting - which they are happy to take one card - but there is never a free kick given. I don’t understand it all as if the law was applied it would get rid of this type of time wasting as conceding a free kick in your own area is not worth the time wasting.

Exactly my point. The law still stands. It's either a law or it isn't. And while it is, there is no excuse for not applying it. It's not as though it's open to interpretation, it's purely factual.

The really stupid bit is that actually enforcing the law would make the refs job easier.

[Big Vinny K]

Exactly my point. The law still stands. It's either a law or it isn't. And while it is, there is no excuse for not applying it. It's not as though it's open to interpretation, it's purely factual.

The really stupid bit is that actually enforcing the law would make the refs job easier.

Agreed but I can only assume that because of the unanimous non application of the law in the professional game that the referees and the authorities have all agreed to not apply it. Why I don’t know - and even if there is some kind of rationale behind it (which there must be) why don’t they remove the law ?
The inconsistency between what happened in the World Cup and the way they ignore this law is staggering.

[Roosterbooster]

The rules are pretty clear. No good reason why they shouldnt be followed. Straight yellow too for any delay in restarting play. No need to give a warning first

CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES
A player is cautioned if guilty of:
●delaying the restart of play
●failing to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a dropped ball, corner kick, free kick or throw-in

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
●controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it


The refs really need to sort this out ASAP

[what_no_pies]

I know we did it plenty in the Prem, but does anyone know what the actual rules/directives to referees are these days?

Every goalkick in the second half last night was the same. They’d feign a short one before the GK would usher the defenders forward for a long one - at least 30 seconds off the clock each time. They used the same tactic on free kicks with the player initially stood over the ball never being the one to take it.

I’m also lost as to whether there’s still a time limit for a GK to hold the ball in their hands. I get that you’ve got to allow longer when the GK has been on the floor with the ball, but last night he seemed to hold it for 10+ seconds each time.

There’s been a lot of messaging from the authorities about tackling time wasting, but very little evidence of it happening.

We’re seeing it in most games now, but it’s rare for anyone to get booked.

Siggesting 30 seconds is nonsence and undermines an otherwise valid point.

[dougcollins]

The refs really need to sort this out ASAP

That's the issue though- last night's ref was incapable of the basics, never mind controlling timewasting.

[claretburns]

For the keeper wasting time are we talking about Muric or the Sunderland keeper? In that last 10 minutes when Muric had the ball he was playing like we were 4-0 up and killing time.

[wilks_bfc]

For the keeper wasting time are we talking about Muric or the Sunderland keeper? In that last 10 minutes when Muric had the ball he was playing like we were 4-0 up and killing time.

That was so frustrating.

There were a few times in that last 10 when if he’d played the ball quicker we could have created another attack

[Cirrus_Minor]

Was really annoying last night. I appreciate that Sunderland were wasting time to retain the score and stop us from building momentum, but they were being allowed to use it to extremes. I didn't see any attempt by a completely hopeless referee to stop them.

[beddie]

That was so frustrating.

There were a few times in that last 10 when if he’d played the ball quicker we could have created another attack

Had there been an option for him to do that then yes it would. They were very good in that period at closing us down, all Muric had on was the long ball. The lad can’t win either way.

[wilks_bfc]

Had there been an option for him to do that then yes it would. They were very good in that period at closing us down, all Muric had on was the long ball. The lad can’t win either way.

We know he can effectively play the long ball though.

[Clowbridge89]

The referee last night only seemed to realise what was going on when the crowd got restless. Every single time. We all pay good money to watch football, not a pantomime. It’s getting boring now!

[ralph8]

Yes - Sunderland used the time wasting tactic which did use up a certain amount of time and the 90 mins went down very quickly to me. However, we must take some blame and learn from this type of game and be aware of the clock and how the games going.

Mowbury did a good job closing us down but there were times when the break was on and we passed another triangle. We need to go for it a bit more when a break is on, especially with the team we had out last night. If I was Vincent, I would have had a word with Benson, given his ability and the amount of times he turned back.

Appreciate the the back four passing has served us well this season but certain games need a bit more urgency in an attacking sense of which this was one.

I know it was a different line up but the game did remind me of the FA cup games and Blackpool.

[claptrappers_union]

I don't mind timewasting, but it's up to the referee to take control of it.

[Vincent'sCap]

I don't mind timewasting, but it's up to the referee to take control of it.

Timewasting robs the spectators of at least 15 minutes each game,I think its criminal.

[Rowls]

It's a habit of mine to count the second when the goalkeeper has the ball. The Sunderland keeper was regularly going over 20 second and got up to 27 seconds on one occasion.

Until refs enforce the 6 second rule, we'll have to endure time wasting like this. Either scrap the rule, make it longer (10 seconds?) or enforce it properly but it simply makes a mockery to have the rule in place and never enforce it.

Didn't make a difference to last night's result at least.

[agreenwood]

Exactly my point. The law still stands. It's either a law or it isn't. And while it is, there is no excuse for not applying it. It's not as though it's open to interpretation, it's purely factual.

The really stupid bit is that actually enforcing the law would make the refs job easier.

If I was a coach, I’d get the striker closest to the GK to visibility count down from 6 seconds. Put some clear pressure on the ref to enforce the rule.

[Roosterbooster]

Maybe the crowd should do it
1...2...3...4...5...6... CHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!!!!!!

[JR1882]

I mean we can’t complain, Muric was strolling round with the ball like we were 5 up at the end.

[Kevwando]

I was surprised Sunderland took the decision to time waste instead of using that time to go for the win, games are running out for them.

[Ric_C]

Can't blame Sunderland for adopting them tactics if they qualify within a point for the playoffs they'll look back at last night & see it as a mechanism which enabled that.

Yeah but if they really wanted to have a chance of the playoffs they needed to go for the win I think. Thought it was a bit strange the amount of timewasting they did in the second half

[Jakubclaret]

Yeah but if they really wanted to have a chance of the playoffs they needed to go for the win I think. Thought it was a bit strange the amount of timewasting they did in the second half

You might have a point I think on 54pts 2 wins away from a PO position a win would have been the favourite without doubt, but make no bones coming away from the runaway league leaders with a point back to wearside will be seen as a good nights work, 7 now to get into a PO position just had a look at the league table.

[dsr]

Any player that gets substituted and decides to take his shin pads off while still on the pitch in the process of being subbed, should get booked

Sorting out substitutions would be the easiest thing in the world. Put a 15 second clock on the subs board, timer to start when the fourth official puts the board up, and if the player coming off hasn't left the field (in any direction) before the 15 second buzzer sounds, then the man still has to come off, but the sub can't come on until the next break in play.

Hard lines on the genuinely injured, but that's just hard lines. If the players, as a body, are willing to cheat and lie and pretend to be hurt when they aren't,. they won't get much sympathy on the rarer occasions when they are.

[Lord_Bob]

Watch a basketball game. Team has 5 seconds (I think) to get the ball across the half court line. Watch the ref, he is counting by moving his arm horizontal to vertical, hinging at the elbow. Everyone can see him counting, don't make it over half court, ball goes to the other team. Should be easy to replicate for our refs. Let's everyone know he is counting and if the keeper doesn't release the ball in time - free kick.

[paulatky]

Nope. The time limit is still 6 seconds and taking longer than that should result in an indirect free kick.

Sorry but you are wrong

[Swizzlestick]

Sorry but you are wrong

No he isn’t.

[Vegas Claret]

Nobody compare to Martinez at Villa, cheating ****

[dermotdermot]

Muric wasted more time in injury time than their goalkeeper did. I couldn’t for the life of me realize why.

[wilks_bfc]

Sorry but you are wrong

No he’s not
IFAB Law 12.2 contains the following

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
• controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it
• touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player
• touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
• it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate
• receiving it directly from a throw-in taken by a team-mate

[ArmchairDetective]

Maybe the crowd should do it
1...2...3...4...5...6... CHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!!!!!!

Been thinking this for a while, but without the cheat. Just the crowd chanting the amount of seconds the keeper has the ball to make it clear to the ref. Wouldn't be difficult to get going but could be effective and intimidating.

[quoonbeatz]

Sorry but you are wrong

Don't be sorry, you are wrong.

[Cowburn1981]

Could you imagine the speed our fans would count to 6. Everything is twice as fast as it should be. Bet we could get to a ten count in 6 seconds.

[beddie]

I’ll try contacting Howard for a discussion.

[Boydesque]

Referees are the ones to blame for this
If they enforced the laws of the game none of this would happen .
As has been said on here before introducing the rugby league timer would also benefit the game .I don’t understand why that hasn’t been put in place already.

[TravisBickle]

I know we did it plenty in the Prem, but does anyone know what the actual rules/directives to referees are these days?

Every goalkick in the second half last night was the same. They’d feign a short one before the GK would usher the defenders forward for a long one - at least 30 seconds off the clock each time. They used the same tactic on free kicks with the player initially stood over the ball never being the one to take it.

I’m also lost as to whether there’s still a time limit for a GK to hold the ball in their hands. I get that you’ve got to allow longer when the GK has been on the floor with the ball, but last night he seemed to hold it for 10+ seconds each time.

There’s been a lot of messaging from the authorities about tackling time wasting, but very little evidence of it happening.

We’re seeing it in most games now, but it’s rare for anyone to get booked.

Sad I know. But there’s been times I’ve counted this this season. Multiple times Friday the keeper held it for over 30 seconds. There’s been examples with other teams that have done it for longer.

I don’t mind teams employing whatever tactics they need to get a result. But along with diving, time wasting is the one that gets me the most.

[TravisBickle]

Been thinking this for a while, but without the cheat. Just the crowd chanting the amount of seconds the keeper has the ball to make it clear to the ref. Wouldn't be difficult to get going but could be effective and intimidating.

That would be funny. But maybe the refs could just use their watches. And have some bottle.

[Duffer_]

Maybe the crowd should do it
1...2...3...4...5...6... CHEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAT!!!!!!

Already being done in the women's game...

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... 1#p2056913

[123EasyasBFC]

Simple
Book every player who stops to take their shin pads off on the pitch when they have been subbed off
Refs also need to follow the rule of making players go off at the nearest side of the pitch