• Churlinov...Now We're Practically Up...

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:45 am**

Shouldn't we be giving him a run out, if only to see what he can do?
Don't get me wrong, this isn't a go at Vinny's selection policy, heaven forbid, it's got us up to
the PL, and I'm sure we could make an argument for playing others as well.

It just seems a bit strange to be having him sat on the bench without really seeing what
he's capable of.
Mind you, where exactly he'd fit in and who you'd leave out might be another problem.

Would have loved to have seen him given 20 minutes or so last night.

Like to hear others thoughts on this.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:48 am**

He’s not even been sat on the bench.

When VK talks about the wingers and competition for Zaroury, he doesn’t even mention him.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:50 am**

When you sign as many players as we did, there’s always going to be a few that don’t hit it off right away and get a run in the team. Think we need a bit of patience with the likes of Churlinov.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:54 am**

He's looked a decent player when we have seen him, although a bit naive, and I agree needs a run out, but then we have records still to be broken.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:57 am**

It doesn’t seem like he’s having him at the moment - not sure whether that’s training issues, attitude, or just doesn’t think he’s ready, he’s not in the thinking. Seems a shame as he’s a bit different to the other attacking players and the Vitinho further up idea doesn’t work for me.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:23 am**

IF, and it's a big IF Churlinov isn't seen as the future, and I haven't seen enough of him to make a decision, then it begs the question how do we sell him on.
VK said in his interview the other day, that when you buy so many players, obviously some will not work. You move them on and improve. BUT if the programme is to buy players with a resale value, in order to make us sustainable, how do you make a profit on players who have been sat on the bench most of the season. They need putting in the shop window at some point. A dilemma no doubt.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:25 am**

I think once promotion and the title are in the bag then we will see some more minutes from the fringe players, not before.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:18 am**

A winger or two is required in the summer. Good squad but been clear in recent weeks we don't have enough to change a game in this position. Especially since it's clear Tella is most dangerous more centrally.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:25 am**

I expected him to start at Blackpool away after a good cameo in the match before replacing an injured Zaroury.

But we haven’t seen him again since , I don’t think it’s a coincidence that at that time there was a German article saying he wanted to return to his former club . I doubt VK was impressed by that and seems out of favour since.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:58 am**

Yes I think theirs a player in Churlinov. Perhaps he’s not shown enough in training. Tella was wasted last night on the left, that’s where Churlinov could have benefitted the team. Zaouray doesn’t seem the same player from a few months ago, he fades an awful lot. Perhaps a week back now will settle everyone.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:23 pm**

he's only 22, new country, new league. Kalvin Phillips cost City 40 million and has been here all his career and hasn't been good, sometimes it just takes time (Grealish has been much improved this season for City).

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:45 pm**

The problem him, Twine and Bastien have is that none of them have done anything to make an impression at championship level. More than likely we won’t see any of them again in a Burnley top.

Purely down to the fact that we will need better on promotion

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:50 pm**

beddie wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 11:58 am
Yes I think theirs a player in Churlinov. Perhaps he’s not shown enough in training. Tella was wasted last night on the left, that’s where Churlinov could have benefitted the team. Zaouray doesn’t seem the same player from a few months ago, he fades an awful lot. Perhaps a week back now will settle everyone.

I thought Tella's performance massively improved when moved wide left last night. He was wasted up front not making any runs into the acres of space Sunderland left in behind.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:57 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:45 pm
The problem him, Twine and Bastien have is that none of them have done anything to make an impression at championship level. More than likely we won’t see any of them again in a Burnley top.

Purely down to the fact that we will need better on promotion

I can see Bastien being sold but I think Twine will be loaned out

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:03 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:45 pm
The problem him, Twine and Bastien have is that none of them have done anything to make an impression at championship level. More than likely we won’t see any of them again in a Burnley top.

Purely down to the fact that we will need better on promotion

Not that I disagree (although perhaps harsh on Twine who’s missed half the season), but by the same account, you could say the same for Foster, yet you think he’s part of our first 11 and should be our PL striker. What’s the difference?

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:06 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 12:45 pm
The problem him, Twine and Bastien have is that none of them have done anything to make an impression at championship level. More than likely we won’t see any of them again in a Burnley top.

Purely down to the fact that we will need better on promotion

Opportunities have been limited for them to make an impression because the rest of the squad has been that good.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:38 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:03 pm
Not that I disagree (although perhaps harsh on Twine who’s missed half the season), but by the same account, you could say the same for Foster, yet you think he’s part of our first 11 and should be our PL striker. What’s the difference?

All three players that have been mentioned have been here all season and struggled to make an impression.

Foster is perhaps falling into the same category. I personally think there’s player in there with Foster but unless he starts showing it he will likely be another one that’s going to need to be replaced.

Apart from the free kick for twine I just think he has looked miles off it. Needs a loan at a low level championship team to get minutes.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:06 pm**

I think writing any young player off after 1 season in a completely different country or a completely different league is a bit silly

What I would agree with is that we need something different from the bench, and I think our two wingers are so crucial to the way we play that we need more options on there to provide it

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:19 pm**

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 10:23 am
IF, and it's a big IF Churlinov isn't seen as the future, and I haven't seen enough of him to make a decision, then it begs the question how do we sell him on.
VK said in his interview the other day, that when you buy so many players, obviously some will not work. You move them on and improve. BUT if the programme is to buy players with a resale value, in order to make us sustainable, how do you make a profit on players who have been sat on the bench most of the season. They need putting in the shop window at some point. A dilemma no doubt.

Probably by loaning him out. If he impresses, hopefully the club he's loaned to will buy. If not he'll have out himself in the shop window. Same applies to all our fringe players who haven't yet proven themselves.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:29 pm**

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:06 pm
I think writing any young player off after 1 season in a completely different country or a completely different league is a bit silly

What I would agree with is that we need something different from the bench, and I think our two wingers are so crucial to the way we play that we need more options on there to provide it

In all seriousness do you think a player that’s struggling to make our bench in the championship is really going to have a future with us in the prem?

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:38 pm**

I agree with Newcastle claret here, if Churlinov can't get a look in now what chance does he have in the Prem, after we've strengthened again this summer?

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:58 pm**

Would like to see him given an opportunity when we’ve beaten Bastards and promotion has been secured, probably at the expense of Zaroury who’s been a bit off it recently.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 4:36 pm**

jrgbfc wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 2:38 pm
I agree with Newcastle claret here, if Churlinov can't get a look in now what chance does he have in the Prem, after we've strengthened again this summer?

He's only 22, he doesn't look out of his depth, but he's behind Zaroury, and we have a very strong bench. I don't know how good he is, but he definitely doesn't look bad enough to write off.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:33 pm**

Isn't this one of (the biggest?) problems that our promotion is going to bring, a promotion which hearing/reading interviews seems to have been unanticipated by our management. Many of our players will be better, more mature and readier for the EPL by the end of the 23/24 season, but I suspect that they will struggle to reach the required standard by the end of this one. It'll make it much harder to stay up and in trying to do so could well impinge or even arrest their development.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:56 pm**

What has Barnes got that keeps these players out? His goal tally, as a striker, is dreadful.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:00 pm**

houseboy wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:56 pm
What has Barnes got that keeps these players out? His goal tally, as a striker, is dreadful.

Dosent need to score,Barnes has improved his game immeasurably under Kompany after stagnating under Dinosaur Dyche

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:18 pm**

Muric Leggings wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:00 pm
Dosent need to score,Barnes has improved his game immeasurably under Kompany after stagnating under Dinosaur Dyche

Yes he does need to score. He's missing chances that, if taken, would put us in control of games.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:19 pm**

houseboy wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:56 pm
What has Barnes got that keeps these players out? His goal tally, as a striker, is dreadful.

Work rate, leadership, hold up play; he has been an exceptional pivot for the way we play over the last 3 months. When he got hooked at Sunderland I was one of many who thought that was the end of bash; I was wrong!

Fair play to the guy, he would have been aware of the criticism and he could have thrown his toys out of the pram like many others do. Instead, he chose to knuckle down, support the team and work his ass off in training to learn a completely new style of play in the twilight of his career. How can you not admire the bloke for that?

Next season, who knows? He’s not stupid, prem football is hard and both he and the club will have to consider their options moving forward. Personally, I think he’s worthy of a new contract for next season for his experience alone!

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:31 pm**

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:19 pm
Work rate, leadership, hold up play;

Absolute pre-requisites for a central striker, but so are goals.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:09 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:31 pm

Not when you’ve another 15 players chipping in it’s not.

Posted: **Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:20 pm**

Carwin261 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:09 pm
Not when you’ve another 15 players chipping in it’s not.

I'm sorry, we'll have to disagree on that one.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:48 am**

Muric Leggings wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:00 pm
Dosent need to score,Barnes has improved his game immeasurably under Kompany after stagnating under Dinosaur Dyche

In what way? He’s a striker who doesn’t strike. He missed a sitter (again) on Friday. He might have improved under Kompany, I agree, but if I did my job as well as him I’d have been sacked long ago.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:55 am**

houseboy wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:48 am
In what way? He’s a striker who doesn’t strike. He missed a sitter (again) on Friday. He might have improved under Kompany, I agree, but if I did my job as well as him I’d have been sacked long ago.

It was a very good chance but not a sitter. Barnes has been a good player and I'm glad he's still here.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:59 am**

I’m in the camp of thinly Darko has something about him, but looking more and more likely that he will, as reports suggested , be loaned out in the summer at the very least . Not featuring in the squad at all. Add to that another summer of improved talent coming through the door and playing at an elite level he will more than likely be finding game time elsewhere .

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:00 am**

Ampth7 wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 7:19 pm
Work rate, leadership, hold up play; he has been an exceptional pivot for the way we play over the last 3 months. When he got hooked at Sunderland I was one of many who thought that was the end of bash; I was wrong!

Fair play to the guy, he would have been aware of the criticism and he could have thrown his toys out of the pram like many others do. Instead, he chose to knuckle down, support the team and work his ass off in training to learn a completely new style of play in the twilight of his career. How can you not admire the bloke for that?

Next season, who knows? He’s not stupid, prem football is hard and both he and the club will have to consider their options moving forward. Personally, I think he’s worthy of a new contract for next season for his experience alone!

You’re not wrong mate but surely we must have better options, or maybe not, I don’t know, but in the end he’s a striker who just doesn’t score and hasn’t done for two years or more. He missed yet another glorious chance on Friday.
Still, what do I know, Kompany is brilliant so I have to bow to whatever call he makes.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:08 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:55 am
It was a very good chance but not a sitter. Barnes has been a good player and I'm glad he's still here.

I was overstating it a bit with ‘sitter’ I admit and he has been brilliant for us, but the operative term is ‘has been’. I said a year ago that he has become a parody of himself and, despite improving, he’s not doing what he should, scoring. Maybe I am wrong but I just can’t get with him any more. Sorry.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:13 am**

He's not been as poor as Twine or Bastien. I'd like to see him as an option from the bench for the remainder of the season but suspect he'll be on his way out in the summer

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:35 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 9:55 am
It was a very good chance but not a sitter. Barnes has been a good player and I'm glad he's still here.

He'd have buried that a couple of years ago, score that and we go on to win.
And you are right, we'd be worse off without him.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:46 am**

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:13 am
He's not been as poor as Twine or Bastien. I'd like to see him as an option from the bench for the remainder of the season but suspect he'll be on his way out in the summer

When was Twine Poor? He’s had a handful of games for us.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:55 am**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:35 am
He'd have buried that a couple of years ago, score that and we go on to win.
And you are right, we'd be worse off without him.

I reckon the miss was more to do with it being his weaker foot rather than the passage of time

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:01 am**

taio wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:55 am
I reckon the miss was more to do with it being his weaker foot rather than the passage of time

He's always been decent with either foot, IMO.
Still, right now he's doing his best and he's the best available for the role. The misses are mounting up a bit, though.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:07 am**

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:46 am
When was Twine Poor? He’s had a handful of games for us.

Tbf that’s more than likely the only games he’s ever going to play for us.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:17 am**

Not sure Twine has been poor ..but aside free kicks he does not warrant a place in the team ...probably not even on the bench ...

Churlinov is keen but he missed chances at West Brom and I have not seen too much

Personally I would move both on to get one good player ...but we have had worse players and eventually either good come good ...

Football is a squad game as we know so I am sure they will get some game time before the end of the season but the first choice players will want to play ...so you cannot just leave them out and expect them to stay happy if churlinov and Twine are nor showing it in training

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:17 am**

Barnes missed an absolute sitter.

He had a free shot from 6 yards out with nobody near him and put it over the bar. He chose to use his weaker foot, not realising how much time he had.

We need better.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:12 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:17 am
Barnes missed an absolute sitter.

He had a free shot from 6 yards out with nobody near him and put it over the bar. He chose to use his weaker foot, not realising how much time he had.

We need better.

That was not in any sense of the term an absolute sitter.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:16 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 11:17 am
Barnes missed an absolute sitter.

He had a free shot from 6 yards out with nobody near him and put it over the bar. He chose to use his weaker foot, not realising how much time he had.

We need better.

He was right to it first time on his left foot although it meant it was not an absolute sitter and he didn't have much time to do anything else. It was close range but not from 6 yards out.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:26 pm**

Yeah, slightly further out. But just look how much space he has.
https://youtu.be/Fl1uPkTMCJg?t=38
I have linked the video to 38 seconds in, if that doesn't work just pause it on 38 seconds when he was about to shoot.

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:03 pm**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:26 pm
Yeah, slightly further out. But just look how much space he has.
https://youtu.be/Fl1uPkTMCJg?t=38
I have linked the video to 38 seconds in, if that doesn't work just pause it on 38 seconds when he was about to shoot.

Little time to take a touch in my view. His best chance was taking it early but the trade-off was that he had to hit it with his left

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 2:44 pm**

houseboy wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 02, 2023 10:00 am
You’re not wrong mate but surely we must have better options, or maybe not, I don’t know, but in the end he’s a striker who just doesn’t score and hasn’t done for two years or more. He missed yet another glorious chance on Friday.
Still, what do I know, Kompany is brilliant so I have to bow to whatever call he makes.

Yes, I agree, which is why we bought Foster I guess? It’s a shame Jay has been out for so long as he would be well in to double figures by now I reckon if he’d stayed fit. Hopefully he will be back fully fit for the last few games. Longer term it would be great if Foster can be become a regular goal scorer next year but I suspect we will be looking at a Gyokeres type of signing for the prem.
In the meantime, Barnes has been the best option acting as a focal point pivot type of striker enabling goals to come from all areas of the pitch. IMO he has been instrumental in joining everything together in attack as well as being useful in set play defence. Having said that, and as we all know, he is limited in terms of pace and his finishing of half chances has been poor overall. But let’s not forget what we paid for him because if he had pace and 20 goals a season in him he would have been snapped up by bigger clubs years ago! Fingers crossed he’s saved a few goals for b******s away!!

Posted: **Sun Apr 02, 2023 5:08 pm**

houseboy wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 01, 2023 6:56 pm
What has Barnes got that keeps these players out? His goal tally, as a striker, is dreadful.

His hold up play, and use of the ball, is far superior to those behind him. I thought he was one of the few players on Friday who looked good. We just didn't find him often enough.

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