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Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:01 pm
by Firthy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65124883
Less plastic and less cows because nobody will buy their mince. I'm all for reducing plastic but not at the expense of the product. I'll be sticking with my local butcher.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:06 pm
by gandhisflipflop
Where has all the PPE ended up from covid? Can’t have been good for the planet…
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:08 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
I am amazed people buy meat in a supermarket
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:09 pm
by SalisburyClaret
I am amazed people buy meat
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:14 pm
by Vincent'sCap
I'm amazed anyone can afford meat
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:16 pm
by HahaYeah
Get some crunchy insects down yer, instead.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:24 pm
by Bosscat
I am just amazed
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:02 pm
by claret2018
I just am
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:06 pm
by ksrclaret
I think, therefore
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:08 pm
by Burnley1989
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Where has all the PPE ended up from covid? Can’t have been good for the planet…
I’m sure that was offset with your big manufacturing companies only being on reduced hours/workforces and less pollution as a result.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:15 pm
by Chobulous
Normally I would agree, meat is always best bought from a butcher where you can see what you are getting. A decent piece of beef should not be bright red and should have a good amount of marbling. However I have found one very worthy exception. Tesco carvery joints, at least at my local store, are really excellent quality. Very tender with excellent flavour and takes about 55 - 60 mins to cook if you like it medium to rare. A 1.5kg piece usually costs about £12
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:17 pm
by Rowls
I'm one of the biggest advocates of buying good quality meat from a local butcher but supermarkets have a role to play. They're convenient and can offer some good bargains on low qulaity cuts from time to time.
There's room for butchers and supermarkets. If there's a choice I'll go with the butcher 99 times out of a 100 but the supermarkets can't be sniffed at.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:20 pm
by Rowls
BBC Article wrote:Sainsbury's has defended its new minced beef packaging after some shoppers complained it turned the meat to mush.
Hang on!
People are complaining that minced meat packaging "turned the meat to mush"????
Do they even know what minced meat is? I bet it's the same people who think you serve it up with those wormy shapes it forms still intact.
Guys! That's just the shape of the mincing machine! It's not meant to be that 'shape' once it's cooked!!!
This is one where the Americans have got one over us: Call it "ground beef" and people understand what it is and are more likely to cook it properly.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:43 pm
by dsr
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:20 pm
Hang on!
People are complaining that minced meat packaging "turned the meat to mush"????
Do they even know what minced meat is? I bet it's the same people who think you serve it up with those wormy shapes it forms still intact.
Guys! That's just the shape of the mincing machine! It's not meant to be that 'shape' once it's cooked!!!
This is one where the Americans have got one over us: Call it "ground beef" and people understand what it is and are more likely to cook it properly.
At risk of stating the obvious, cooking minced beef where the meat is separated by lots of air pockets is different from cooking it when it's been mushed up into a solid block. When you buy mince from the butchers or otherwise, do you squeeze it into a sloid ball before you cook it?
(And don't get me started on people who think they can tell me how to cook my food. I cook my food the way I like it, not the way they like it, whether that is "properly" or not.)
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:31 pm
by Rowls
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:43 pm
At risk of stating the obvious, cooking minced beef where the meat is separated by lots of air pockets is different from cooking it when it's been mushed up into a solid block. When you buy mince from the butchers or otherwise, do you squeeze it into a sloid ball before you cook it?
(And don't get me started on people who think they can tell me how to cook my food. I cook my food the way I like it, not the way they like it, whether that is "properly" or not.)
Haha, yes you can eat it as "worms" if you like. However, minced beef is made up of cheap off cuts from carcasses (for obvious reasons - it's cheap) and therefore if you're cooking it gently enough for it to retain the worm shape, it's likely to be fairly tough. Minced meat needs a good long cook. Most people don't cook it long enough.
Of course, you're free to cook your meat however you want. Some people have their steaks "well done". Urrgh. It's their life they're wrecking.
Heathens.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:34 pm
by Granny WeatherWax
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 5:31 pm
Haha, yes you can eat it as "worms" if you like. However, minced beef is made up of cheap off cuts from carcasses (for obvious reasons - it's cheap) and therefore if you're cooking it gently enough for it to retain the worm shape, it's likely to be fairly tough. Minced meat needs a good long cook. Most people don't cook it long enough.
Of course, you're free to cook your meat however you want. Some people have their steaks "well done". Urrgh. It's their life they're wrecking.
Heathens.
I always chuckle at people who make a chilli or a spag bol in 30 mins or so
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:12 pm
by Inchy
gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 1:06 pm
Where has all the PPE ended up from covid? Can’t have been good for the planet…
I have to wear a plastic non-recyclable pinny whenever I walk into a room with a patient who has a transmittable infection or they have neutropenia. I have to wear a pinny whenever I touch a patient, infected or not. The pinny only covers the front of me. My arse is clearly infection free.
The amount of waste healthcare produces is shocking, and in the case of pinnys, nonsense. I doubt there are any research papers that suggest wearing a pinny will prevent the spread of CPE
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:25 pm
by Rowls
Inchy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 6:12 pm
My arse is clearly infection free.
We've only got your word for this Inchy.
I had to stop saying this on dates because it wasn't getting me anywhere.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:07 pm
by Volvoclaret
Put it down to dating wrong type of guy.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:11 pm
by Bosscat
Volvoclaret wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 7:07 pm
Put it down to dating wrong type of guy.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:34 pm
by Stayingup
Old buildings have lower door heights compared to todays, because people were smaller back in time Eating meat products and a healthier diet including fruit and staples has led to taller stronger people leading longer lives. Vegans are entitled to eat what they like but have no righlhts telling other people what they should eat, as they often do. Again a minority group.making a lot of noise.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:42 pm
by Rowls
Stayingup wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:34 pm
Old buildings have lower door heights compared to todays, because people were smaller back in time Eating meat products and a healthier diet including fruit and staples has led to taller stronger people leading longer lives. Vegans are entitled to eat what they like but have no righlhts telling other people what they should eat, as they often do. Again a minority group.making a lot of noise.
Nah this is largely a myth. People with poor diets
were shorter but the reason you build smaller building is to save money.
If you had lots of money, you built a large building. Look at expensive Victorian buildings - they have tall doors, large windows and high ceilings.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:50 pm
by No Ney Never
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:42 pm
Nah this is largely a myth. People with poor diets
were shorter but the reason you build smaller building is to save money.
If you had lots of money, you built a large building. Look at expensive Victorian buildings - they have tall doors, large windows and high ceilings.
And a small boy to climb up and clean the chimney.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:07 pm
by Carwin261
We’re by no means paupers but have eaten Sainsbury’s meat for years ,brilliant for cottage pie ,lasagne,and loads of relatively cheap tasty meals ( a few of the so called families on the breadline that dine at Macdonalds,and Pizza Express ) could do worse ,but out butchers mince is ground ,and we much prefer something to chew on,so Sainsbury’s have really ****** on their chips with this new packaging.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 10:07 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Stayingup wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:34 pm
Old buildings have lower door heights compared to todays, because people were smaller back in time Eating meat products and a healthier diet including fruit and staples has led to taller stronger people leading longer lives. Vegans are entitled to eat what they like but have no righlhts telling other people what they should eat, as they often do. Again a minority group.making a lot of noise.
What the **** has this got to do with vegans?
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:01 pm
by dermotdermot
There is a big difference between mince from a butchers and mince from a supermarket. As a previous poster said, supermarket mince is made from cheap off cuts from the carcass. It doesn’t bare thinking about. Whereas my butcher, Soutar’s Fine Meats, makes it from a fine cut of grass fed beef. A big difference.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:18 pm
by dsr
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:42 pm
Nah this is largely a myth. People with poor diets
were shorter but the reason you build smaller building is to save money.
If you had lots of money, you built a large building. Look at expensive Victorian buildings - they have tall doors, large windows and high ceilings.
It's no myth. Look at the Nelson FC squad for their season in League Division 2, 1923-24. They had just 1 player out of 30 or so who was over 5'9". This wasn't because they had a particular preference for small players, it was because people were smaller 100 years ago.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:27 am
by tarkys_ears
dermotdermot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:01 pm
There is a big difference between mince from a butchers and mince from a supermarket. As a previous poster said, supermarket mince is made from cheap off cuts from the carcass. It doesn’t bare thinking about. Whereas my butcher, Soutar’s Fine Meats, makes it from a fine cut of grass fed beef. A big difference.
If you thinka butcher is selling decent cuts of beef minced to you, I've got a vac packed bag of mince to sell you!
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:00 am
by Jakubclaret
People don’t necessarily buy meat from the supermarket as opposed to the butcher based on quality it’s convenience even I know that as a vegetarian.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:10 am
by Jakubclaret
dermotdermot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:01 pm
There is a big difference between mince from a butchers and mince from a supermarket. As a previous poster said, supermarket mince is made from cheap off cuts from the carcass. It doesn’t bare thinking about. Whereas my butcher, Soutar’s Fine Meats, makes it from a fine cut of grass fed beef. A big difference.
If the packaging tells you that & you believe that fair enough, it’s all based on trust & if you aren’t visiting the farms & slaughterhouses you don’t really know because you aren’t involved in the processes right up to the point of purchase.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 3:45 am
by dermotdermot
Steve Soutar is one of my best friends. He minces meat from a prime cut of grass fed beef. It doesn’t compare.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:03 am
by Rowls
dsr wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:18 pm
It's no myth. Look at the Nelson FC squad for their season in League Division 2, 1923-24. They had just 1 player out of 30 or so who was over 5'9". This wasn't because they had a particular preference for small players, it was because people were smaller 100 years ago.
People were shorter, yes.
That’s not why people built small houses. Small houses are built because they’re cheaper.
Travel through Todmorden and you can see houses built in the same period and some are small but others are large. These aren’t houses built for short/tall people; they are built for poor/rich people.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:26 am
by timshorts
Sainsburys mince is not something that I'd buy, and I eat quite a lot of mince - probably a relic of being brought up in a single parent family.
Anyway-
If they want it to retain it's worm-like shape then they should fry it first and probably buy mince from tesco as the diameter of the mince is slightly larger there.
If they want to buy it in less packaging then buy it in waitrose where they sell fresh meat in packs without the tray and non-vacuumed so the packaging is much thinner.
If they want mince that tastes decent, then buy it from morrisons or go for one of the packs that says that it has only x% fat.
Why do i know this and other people don't ? Well, basically, I have no top to my stomach, so what goes down can also come back. It also "sends back" unwanted items of fat and gristle, so I have a rather too good an idea of what is in mince, sausages, burgers etc. What can seem perfectly good when you eat it the first time can always surprise by the amount of crap that materialises afterwards. That is particularly the case with burgers where labels like "taste the difference" can safely be ignored at times, and "less than 15% fat" suggests that gristle is not counted as it's not fat.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 9:18 am
by Chobulous
timshorts wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:26 am
Sainsburys mince is not something that I'd buy, and I eat quite a lot of mince - probably a relic of being brought up in a single parent family.
Anyway-
If they want it to retain it's worm-like shape then they should fry it first and probably buy mince from tesco as the diameter of the mince is slightly larger there.
If they want to buy it in less packaging then buy it in waitrose where they sell fresh meat in packs without the tray and non-vacuumed so the packaging is much thinner.
If they want mince that tastes decent, then buy it from morrisons or go for one of the packs that says that it has only x% fat.
Why do i know this and other people don't ? Well, basically, I have no top to my stomach, so what goes down can also come back. It also "sends back" unwanted items of fat and gristle, so I have a rather too good an idea of what is in mince, sausages, burgers etc. What can seem perfectly good when you eat it the first time can always surprise by the amount of crap that materialises afterwards. That is particularly the case with burgers where labels like "taste the difference" can safely be ignored at times, and "less than 15% fat" suggests that gristle is not counted as it's not fat.
Crap materialises afterwards no matter what I eat
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 11:01 am
by what_no_pies
timshorts wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:26 am
If they want mince that tastes decent, then buy it from morrisons or go for one of the packs that says that it has only x% fat.
Each to their own but reduced fat = drastically reduced flavour. It cooks better and tastes better when it isn't reduced fat. I drain the excess fat off during cooking.
For those advocating a slow cooked chilli. Use diced beef instead. I normally get some good quality beef flank and cook it for at least 4 hours. Wouldn't ever make a chilli with mince now.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:15 pm
by BurnleyFC
I’m not.
M&S meat is just as good as the butchers.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
by Rowls
People still not aware of what "minced meat" actually is shocker.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65809070
People are also apparently scared to touch meat? Nowt so queer as folk.
Re: Sainsburys help the planet
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:02 pm
by Clovius Boofus
Can you imagine what some folk would be like if butchers still had animal carcasses on display in their shopfronts? I'm sure some people would suffer a panic attack and later claim they had a PTSD.
