Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by jedi_master » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:58 pm

Really excited by this - another proper winger.

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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:05 pm

I find it really bizarre the weir over-valuation fans of Championship clubs get when a team is linked with their player... Some mackems saying no less than 30 million! On what planet?

When did this start? Certainly didn't happen to this extent even 5 years back

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:07 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:05 pm
I find it really bizarre the weir over-valuation fans of Championship clubs get when a team is linked with their player... Some mackems saying no less than 30 million! On what planet?

When did this start? Certainly didn't happen to this extent even 5 years back
Weird isn’t it. They will also be the same fans complaining when there’s not as much business done in the summer as they don’t have the cash, as well as moaning about parachute payment clubs. For me, a well run club at this level cashes in on their assets at the peak time and re-invests it smartly. I mean we’ve literally just shown the league how to.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:09 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:05 pm
I find it really bizarre the weir over-valuation fans of Championship clubs get when a team is linked with their player... Some mackems saying no less than 30 million! On what planet?

When did this start? Certainly didn't happen to this extent even 5 years back
Every fan base does it.

Burnley fans were saying pope for 40 million this time last year.

However with Clarke I do think 10m is a good deal. I thought his value would have been around the 15m mark

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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:10 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:07 pm
Weird isn’t it. They will also be the same fans complaining when there’s not as much business done in the summer as they don’t have the cash, as well as moaning about parachute payment clubs. For me, a well run club at this level cashes in on their assets at the peak time and re-invests it smartly. I mean we’ve literally just shown the league how to.
Totally agree with that

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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:11 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:09 pm
Every fan base does it.

Burnley fans were saying pope for 40 million this time last year.

However with Clarke I do think 10m is a good deal. I thought his value would have been around the 15m mark
I think you'll find most were saying around 20 -

Factor in that Pope was/is still relatively young for a Keeper, was a full England international and had sort of, 4/5 years as a proven top class PL keeper


Which is vastly different than one seemingly impressive (but not like incredible) season in the Champ

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:15 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:11 pm
I think you'll find most were saying around 20 -

Factor in that Pope was/is still relatively young for a Keeper, was a full England international and had sort of, 4/5 years as a proven top class PL keeper


Which is vastly different than one seemingly impressive (but not like incredible) season in the Champ
Similar to how most Sunderland fans are saying around 15-18m?

Different players young attacking players have always gone for more money than keepers.

Tbf you can be absolute certain posters would be saying 30-35m for Zaroury if he was going somewhere. Both similar players with a similar season in the championship

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:16 pm

Not actually sure this is as far along as suggested.

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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:23 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:15 pm
Similar to how most Sunderland fans are saying around 15-18m?

Different players young attacking players have always gone for more money than keepers.

Tbf you can be absolute certain posters would be saying 30-35m for Zaroury if he was going somewhere. Both similar players with a similar season in the championship
I'd say most are arguing for minimum 20 but happy to concede

There is a difference here though - Zaroury is with a team that has just been promoted after playing a pivotal part. As of right now we have a lot more cash & cash flow than Sunderland, meaning that the price of our players, especially ones that are important to us are naturally higher.

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Post by ksrclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:25 pm

I'd be really delighted with Clarke, but I can't help think some people are getting a little carried away right now on the basis that a few people up in Sunderland think it's a done deal.

Hope they're right but I can't get too excited just yet.

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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:26 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:07 pm
Weird isn’t it. They will also be the same fans complaining when there’s not as much business done in the summer as they don’t have the cash, as well as moaning about parachute payment clubs. For me, a well run club at this level cashes in on their assets at the peak time and re-invests it smartly. I mean we’ve literally just shown the league how to.
In fact a key point here that shows how daft it is to hold on would be Coventry with O'Hare -

We offered up to 8 didn't we and they wanted over 10? Turns out here barely played from injury...they might have gotten over the line if they sold and replaced!

Unless the player is the absolute bomb top top class I think trying to get blood out of a stone is a little daft - rarely works out

Another great example is the horse diddlers with Donkey Diaz.

One or two good seasons and he was being valued around 25-30 mill which Rovers allegedly declined.

Now he walks on a free - stupid
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Post by Taffy on the wing » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:40 pm

Clarke looks like an excellent player.......exciting times!
Fingers crossed we get him....star material for sure.

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Post by fatboy47 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:46 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:15 pm
Similar to how most Sunderland fans are saying around 15-18m?

I'm struggling to find the bit where Clarke spent 4 or so seasons in the Prem being arguably the best British player in his chosen position.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:56 pm

My thread last season suggested that Clarke wasn’t good enough for the PL….who knew?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:56 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:46 pm
I'm struggling to find the bit where Clarke spent 4 or so seasons in the Prem being arguably the best British player in his chosen position.
Clarke is a kid that has just had an excellent season in the championship. You are buying pedigree.

For reference the player your referring to was playing non league at the same age 👍

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:48 pm

Keane Lewis Potter went somewhere for like £20m didn't he? Clarke has done way more than that lad had. I don't think us Sunderland fans expecting £18-20m for Clarke is unreasonable tbh. And I think the club that eventually signs him will learn quite quickly why we were so desperate to keep him.

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:53 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:46 pm
I'm struggling to find the bit where Clarke spent 4 or so seasons in the Prem being arguably the best British player in his chosen position.
And you think you'd be able to buy THAT player for 15-18m?

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Post by fatboy47 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:55 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:53 pm
And you think you'd be able to buy THAT player for 15-18m?
🤔 Newcastle bought him for £10m.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:59 pm

All them subs in the PL VK will be happily rotating players at the hour mark.

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Post by Roosterbooster » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:00 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:09 pm
Burnley fans were saying pope for 40 million this time last year.
Ask most Newcastle fans and they'll tell you that's about right
Bargain of the season

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:04 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:55 pm
🤔 Newcastle bought him for £10m.
That's a bit of an outlier. You can't price every other player based on the sale of a 30 year old keeper, sold at a time just after relegation when I presume your club had to sort its wage structure out a bit, or at least fund a rebuild.

For every "Nick Pope only cost £10m" there's a "Keane Lewis Potter cost £20m". "Nathan Collins cost £22m". "Adam Webster cost £20m". "McBurnie cost £18m". "Dan James cost £17m". All after a season in the championship.


You're trying to sign a 22 year old with three years left on his deal, from a club that has no debt and no money issues.

I honestly don't think we will sell for less than 18. That's not just a fan being over ambitious - I'm trying to be as balanced as I can.
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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:08 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:51 pm
We were way ahead of schedule - last season exceeded expectations.

This summer is all about who we keep. Even then, our recruitment has been phenomenal.

If we do keep hold of Clarke, Roberts, Neil, Patterson, Cirkin and Ballard, and can convince Ross Stewart to stay and not go to Stoke for treble his wages like his old boss Alex Neil, then we have a shot. We also I reckon should have quite a good chance at getting EPL loans considering Mowbray's rep and what we did for Amad.

I can't see us getting automatic - but playoffs are definitely a possibility. But like I said before, there are about 10 teams who expect to tbe in the playoffs. If we sell all our top talent and dont' replace well then we could slide towards bottom.
Firstly, thanks for posting geronimosally. It’s nice to hear from opposition fans on here.

My son raved about Clarke last season, so I watched him closely when you guys came to the turf and I can’t say I was overly impressed. Although he may just have had an off game as we had 70% possession that day. I’m also a big fan of this Tresor lad so pretty comfortable either way.

If the asking price is £18-£20m I don’t see him coming to us, or us spending that amount on any player tbh.

Good luck for next season. Have a soft spot for Sunderland - huge club with great fans. Hope you come up next year & we’re not passing you in the opposite direction!
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Post by CoolClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:10 pm

This you, Geronimosally?

PS - how intellectually dishonest are some people with this comment - nobody once argued that

' you need 4 yrs in the PL being the best english player in your position to be worth over £18m'

sigh.
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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:14 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:08 pm
Firstly, thanks for posting geronimosally. It’s nice to hear from opposition fans on here.

My son raved about Clarke last season, so I watched him closely when you guys came to the turf and I can’t say I was overly impressed. Although he may just have had an off game as we had 70% possession that day. I’m also a big fan of this Tresor lad so pretty comfortable either way.

If the asking price is £18-£20m I don’t see him coming to us, or us spending that amount on any player tbh.

Good luck for next season. Have a soft spot for Sunderland - huge club with great fans. Hope you come up next year & we’re not passing you in the opposite direction!
Thank you

I don't know what the asking price actually is - 18-20m is my own ballpark. the club might completely disagree with me who knows!

I can't remember the Burnley game specifically but when Clarke isn't "on it", he can be quite quiet. One thing you'll have to get used to, if he signs, is he has quite a laid back and relaxed demeaner which makes him look like he doesn't care. But his work rate is there, he was tracking up and down the left constantly all the time. But then he just occasionally looks a bit too laid back. When you're losing or not in possession, it can be enfuriating, but suddenly he'll get the ball and burst into life. In fact some of his best moments for us were when he was drifting out of a game and then suddenly turned it on.

We dominated possession most games we played, so if you had 70% against us it would have completely changed the way we played. So I guess i'm not too surprised if he didn't perform that day

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:15 pm

CoolClaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:10 pm
This you, Geronimosally?

PS - how intellectually dishonest are some people with this comment - nobody once argued that

' you need 4 yrs in the PL being the best english player in your position to be worth over £18m'

sigh.
No I don't post on there, or at least I haven't for 20 years - its impossible to have an opinion without getting hounded out and you just end up feeling like ****.

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:33 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:14 pm
Thank you

I don't know what the asking price actually is - 18-20m is my own ballpark. the club might completely disagree with me who knows!

I can't remember the Burnley game specifically but when Clarke isn't "on it", he can be quite quiet. One thing you'll have to get used to, if he signs, is he has quite a laid back and relaxed demeaner which makes him look like he doesn't care. But his work rate is there, he was tracking up and down the left constantly all the time. But then he just occasionally looks a bit too laid back. When you're losing or not in possession, it can be enfuriating, but suddenly he'll get the ball and burst into life. In fact some of his best moments for us were when he was drifting out of a game and then suddenly turned it on.

We dominated possession most games we played, so if you had 70% against us it would have completely changed the way we played. So I guess i'm not too surprised if he didn't perform that day
Yes, most likely just an off day. Happens with all younger players and some of our best young players had very quiet periods last year, nevermind games.

Given what you’ve said about him playing LWB I’m wondering if VK is seeing him as an alternative to Maatsen, who Chelsea seem to be asking an incredible amount for. At least for us.

Despite CT’s info, which I’ve never known to be incorrect, I still see a Maatsen/Tresor purchase as more likely, but who knows? Or maybe the more favourable outcome from my perspective. But I think at this time of the summer we’ll be negotiating over lots of players to keep our options open and avoid not filling key positions - that seems to have been our MO in recent windows.

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:42 pm

The Sunderland lad seems a good player, a bit like Dwight McNeil from the above description, i.e. tracks up and down, can look lazy but isn’t, cuts inside a lot etc.

He is only 1 year younger than Dwight, but has played 0 Premier League games instead of 170. If Dwight went for about £20m including bonuses as rumoured I think £10m plus bonuses for Clarke feels about right, no more.

In terms of ceiling the first touch and speed are two critical factors, Zaroury’s first touch is the best I have ever seen at Burnley. How does Clarke compare?

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:46 pm

His first touch is also excellent.

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Post by roperclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:40 am

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:04 pm
That's a bit of an outlier. You can't price every other player based on the sale of a 30 year old keeper, sold at a time just after relegation when I presume your club had to sort its wage structure out a bit, or at least fund a rebuild.

For every "Nick Pope only cost £10m" there's a "Keane Lewis Potter cost £20m". "Nathan Collins cost £22m". "Adam Webster cost £20m". "McBurnie cost £18m". "Dan James cost £17m". All after a season in the championship.


You're trying to sign a 22 year old with three years left on his deal, from a club that has no debt and no money issues.

I honestly don't think we will sell for less than 18. That's not just a fan being over ambitious - I'm trying to be as balanced as I can.
To be fair, apart from Pope none of the others you mentioned have justified the money spent on them have they?

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:56 am

I can see a Clarke deal being done with bonus payments and a sell-on percentage but certainly not above £12m up front.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 2:47 am

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:14 pm
Thank you

I don't know what the asking price actually is - 18-20m is my own ballpark. the club might completely disagree with me who knows!
if you don't ask you don't get ! I've not seen enough of him to put a fair or educated valuation on him, but if you are suggesting 18-20 for him then Zaroury must be worth 30 and Benson 50 (they aren't btw). Prices are mental, it's like we all clubs just throw out silly numbers and sees what sticks !

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:31 am

Roosterbooster wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:00 pm
Ask most Newcastle fans and they'll tell you that's about right
Bargain of the season
Na Pope went for market value. If he was 25 he would have gone for 40m.

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:37 am

Pope had a year left in his deal, you’d imagine if he had 2 or 3 years left on his deal he would have cost 20mil minimum

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Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:56 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:31 am
Na Pope went for market value. If he was 25 he would have gone for 40m.
The market value currently is 22mil to 36 mil so it's jumped up with him playing in a higher league & being a year older.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:59 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:56 am
The market value currently is 22mil to 36 mil so it's jumped up with him playing in a higher league & being a year older.
Has anyone signed him for that?

Pope is and was never going to go for that kind of money. It would be a premier league record for someone his age

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Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:01 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:59 am
Has anyone signed him for that?

Pope is and was never going to go for that kind of money. It would be a premier league record for someone his age
If you Google pope's market value that's what it comes up with, 1 club wanted pope & pope wanted to go, hardly the ingredients for holding out for a top price, pope went dirt cheap.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:04 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:59 am
Has anyone signed him for that?

Pope is and was never going to go for that kind of money. It would be a premier league record for someone his age
Nobody has signed him for that because he isn't for sale, put it this way if you offered Newcastle 12 mil for him it would be a 2 word reply beginning with a F & ending with a off.

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Post by geronimosally » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:10 am

I'll just re-iterate that Clarke has THREE years left on his deal, has publicly said (and his agent) that he doesn't want to leave this summer, and we are building a young squad with a CHANCE of promotion, and have absolutely no financial issues whatsoever. (debt free, low wage structure, no high earners). Clarke has also had a stop start career and has just had the first full season of his career rather than sitting on a bench somewhere, developing every week under Mowbray. The Premier League is the Premier League but he will surely be conscious of losing his status as a regular starter whilst he's still developing. The kid will play in the Premier League there is absolutely no doubt.

£10-12m as you lot are suggesting might indeed be a fair price if the club needed to sell, but it doesn't. Because I can't currently see him forcing a move. And even if he did, it still might not be enough as we have so much time left on his deal. Which means a not-fair price (for the buying club) would be needed. That's just how transfers work, right?

Three years on his deal means we could turn down any offer now and his value will still likely have increased in 12 months, as he's only improving. We won't have that luxury next summer, but we do this. Which is why I can't see it happening if you won't go above 12m.

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Post by RicardoMontalban » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:13 am

It’s almost as if there’s a whole set of variables relating to the selling club that have an effect on the sale price of a player.
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Post by geronimosally » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:17 am

To build on my above post - Clarke has already spoken publicly about his regret at jumping to the PL too soon when Spurs signed him for £10m four years ago and basically forgot about him. He's spoken about how he wished he had more football under his belt.

He might think he has enough now, but its still only one full season. And he's been burnt before. So even for him I don't think it will be as simple as seeing the Premier League and dropping everything to do it.

Having said that, IMO, Burnley are probably one of the best options for him in that regard. And Kompany one of the best managers to play under. So...

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:22 am

geronimosally wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:10 am
I'll just re-iterate that Clarke has THREE years left on his deal, has publicly said (and his agent) that he doesn't want to leave this summer, and we are building a young squad with a CHANCE of promotion, and have absolutely no financial issues whatsoever. (debt free, low wage structure, no high earners). Clarke has also had a stop start career and has just had the first full season of his career rather than sitting on a bench somewhere, developing every week under Mowbray. The Premier League is the Premier League but he will surely be conscious of losing his status as a regular starter whilst he's still developing. The kid will play in the Premier League there is absolutely no doubt.

£10-12m as you lot are suggesting might indeed be a fair price if the club needed to sell, but it doesn't. Because I can't currently see him forcing a move. And even if he did, it still might not be enough as we have so much time left on his deal. Which means a not-fair price (for the buying club) would be needed. That's just how transfers work, right?

Three years on his deal means we could turn down any offer now and his value will still likely have increased in 12 months, as he's only improving. We won't have that luxury next summer, but we do this. Which is why I can't see it happening if you won't go above 12m.
He’s hardly going to publicly come out and say he wants to leave, sure the report from his agent said a move to the prem would be hard to turn down

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:24 am

geronimosally wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:17 am
To build on my above post - Clarke has already spoken publicly about his regret at jumping to the PL too soon when Spurs signed him for £10m four years ago and basically forgot about him. He's spoken about how he wished he had more football under his belt.

He might think he has enough now, but its still only one full season. And he's been burnt before. So even for him I don't think it will be as simple as seeing the Premier League and dropping everything to do it.

Having said that, IMO, Burnley are probably one of the best options for him in that regard. And Kompany one of the best managers to play under. So...
Moving to spurs to early is a completely different situation to now, there is no guarantee that Sunderland have as good of a season next season with how difficult the championship looks on paper, the owners could be looking sell now whilst stock is high, if in a years time Sunderland end up finishing 8th/15th in champ would he lucky to get 10-15mil for him then

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by jlup1980 » Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:28 am

geronimosally wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:17 am
To build on my above post - Clarke has already spoken publicly about his regret at jumping to the PL too soon when Spurs signed him for £10m four years ago and basically forgot about him. He's spoken about how he wished he had more football under his belt.

He might think he has enough now, but its still only one full season. And he's been burnt before. So even for him I don't think it will be as simple as seeing the Premier League and dropping everything to do it.

Having said that, IMO, Burnley are probably one of the best options for him in that regard. And Kompany one of the best managers to play under. So...
There's a big difference between signing for Spurs and signing for Burnley. Expectations will be lower and his chances of game time will be greater. We currently only have Zaroury and Benson, as I don't see Gudmundsson being used as a winger in the PL anymore, and we don't know what's happening with Tella. He'll certainly get a good crack at the PL in my opinion.
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Post by Greenmile » Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:14 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:01 am
If you Google pope's market value that's what it comes up with, 1 club wanted pope & pope wanted to go, hardly the ingredients for holding out for a top price, pope went dirt cheap.
This is how all transfer fees should be decided. Just Google “(x-player) market value” and take the average of the top 5 results. We could do away with agents entirely.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by JarrowClaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:31 am

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:48 pm
Keane Lewis Potter went somewhere for like £20m didn't he? Clarke has done way more than that lad had. I don't think us Sunderland fans expecting £18-20m for Clarke is unreasonable tbh. And I think the club that eventually signs him will learn quite quickly why we were so desperate to keep him.
I have no idea what is or isn’t a fare fee for Clarke as I only saw him once at the SoL and he looked quite good for 45 minutes or so 😉. Anyway when looking at a fee for him I think we can draw a similar comparison when we use Dwight McNeil as an example. I’m not saying who is better as I have no idea both will have there qualities that the other doesn’t have, but I think McNeil would in essence be worth more than Clarke due to the fact he played around 4 years of Prem Football which Clarke has not.

Granted we had the debt and he wanted to go back to the prem but we also didn’t have to sell really (we didn’t stand in his way) and he went for around 20 mill.

Just my thoughts I wouldn’t want us to pay more than around 15 mill for him although I could see something along the lines of 15 mill split with down payment and guaranteed addons plus a couple of mill of speculative addons. That said if he stays with you best of luck to him and hope you lot have a good season.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:35 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:14 am
This is how all transfer fees should be decided. Just Google “(x-player) market value” and take the average of the top 5 results. We could do away with agents entirely.
It's certainly more of a flexible measure with the adjustment than a low fixed 12, a goalkeeper who's probably been pivotal ensuring CL qualification but we'll go with a low fixed 12 :roll: if Newcastle would accept it you have your answer I don't think they'd accept it now & that's after he's done the job, it must be the only or 1 of the few British footballers featuring & representing an English club in the CL next season worth that amount.

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Post by scamander » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:44 pm

Just to throw this in here, the value of a player has many variables, the most important being what a club is prepared to pay. Comparing transfer fees is somewhat irrelevant.

If a player is 12 million less or more than another it doesn't mean anything other than underline how unique each transfer is in that regard. They are responding to very different dynamics.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:37 pm

scamander wrote:
Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:44 pm
Just to throw this in here, the value of a player has many variables, the most important being what a club is prepared to pay. Comparing transfer fees is somewhat irrelevant.

If a player is 12 million less or more than another it doesn't mean anything other than underline how unique each transfer is in that regard. They are responding to very different dynamics.
Exactly. This thread makes for cringy reading on a number of levels. But just because player X has such and such a record in a certain division and player y has a different record has no bearing on their value. This is because there are a number of variables at play as you point out, the most notable of which being that one player is likely to be better than the other. Saying that if Clarke is worth £20m then Benson must be worth £30m for example is completely ignoring the possibility that Clarke may be a better player.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by warksclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 5:51 pm

As has been said on here numerous times , the selling price of a player is what someone is prepared to pay for them, which may be a million miles away from a realistic valuation of that player. If not how do you explain Newcastle buying Chris Wood for £25m, or Stoke buying Vokes for £8m (if I am not mistaken). No other club was queuing up to buy Woods and I suspect had he been put on the market at £18m, there would have been no buyers. Forest have just honoured their contract to buy him at £15m , which was all part of the loan deal, but I suspect if Forest sell him in the Jan window they will struggle to recover their money

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by RVclaret » Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:43 pm

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport ... rnley-bid/

Sounds like bid rejected for Clarke which was 7m + add ons taking it over 10. I reckon it will need to be >10 guaranteed + add ons taking it to 15 or so.

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