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Post by timel0veandtendayi » Sun May 28, 2023 8:22 pm

Googled Mama Balde but accidentally missed the first 'M' and searched for Ama Balde. Luckily these are two very different people.

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun May 28, 2023 8:24 pm

Woonderbah wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:14 pm
There used to be a CH at Celtic called Balde and I always wanted us to sign him so we'd have a CH pairing of Balde and Gnohere
Wow this brings up memories. He was called Bolo if I'm not mistaken. And I used to say the same thing. :lol:

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Post by KRBFC » Sun May 28, 2023 8:25 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:24 pm
Wow this brings up memories. He was called Bolo if I'm not mistaken. And I used to say the same thing. :lol:
Bobo

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun May 28, 2023 8:26 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:25 pm
Bobo
That's the one.

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Post by BigGaz » Sun May 28, 2023 8:33 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:59 am
Ahem and there seems to be the issue. Surely this season is literal proof this isn’t the case. I’ll bet Al-Dakhil (3m) and possibly Ekdal (2.2m) go onto be good PL players. Early signs of the former suggest he has a higher ceiling than any of them. Well run clubs often have back ups ready to go, that’s a failure which is on us.

As for 8-10m to Brentford, not sure how that’s been arrived at - surely it’s more 5-6m… 20% of a 26m profit (assuming 30m sale) is 5.2m (approx).
I think the problem is that if you are a PL club the price goes up, so in that aspect Hes right.

I think if you’re in the championship you get players in cheaper, is what he was getting at personally.

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Post by Big Vinny K » Sun May 28, 2023 8:42 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:12 pm
I’m not quite sure you understand the point being made of why selling Tarkowski was the best option.

That money could have been reinvested in the full team to stop things becoming stale. Tarkowski is an average PL defender and was never worth that kinda money, sell to reinvest and refresh the team not sell to just replace like for like
You do not think I understand the point as to why some people have an opinion that selling Tarkowski was the best option ?
Is that what you are saying ? How very perceptive….sorry I mean patronising of you

You are stating this like it’s a fact rather than returning to your type of criticising Dyche at every opportunity.

I was not expressing an opinion either way as to whether selling him was the best option. I was offering a reason why Dyche might have not believed that selling him was the best option for the team at that point in time.

Your other comments about Tarkowski are not even worthy of a response.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun May 28, 2023 8:55 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 7:53 pm
Who is saying that?

My initial thoughts were: who?! My extensive YouTube scouting has got me quite excited though :lol:
L Equippe
Ekran Kroneur
France football

There’s a fair few saying that VK is in talks with him.

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun May 28, 2023 9:21 pm

Watching Balde's highlights is making me wonder whether we've ever had a Burnley player do a back flip or somersault to celebrate a goal before...?

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Sun May 28, 2023 9:29 pm

How about Nathan Tella, or does a loan player not count.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun May 28, 2023 9:32 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:55 pm
L Equippe
Ekran Kroneur
France football

There’s a fair few saying that VK is in talks with him.
For context Ekram says we are making an opening bid of 10m for him.

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Post by claretblue » Sun May 28, 2023 9:35 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 9:21 pm
Watching Balde's highlights is making me wonder whether we've ever had a Burnley player do a back flip or somersault to celebrate a goal before...?
On your Bikey!
after scoring against Birmingham City in 2009 at home! :D

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun May 28, 2023 9:46 pm

claretblue wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 9:35 pm
On your Bikey!
after scoring against Birmingham City in 2009 at home! :D

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I now have Hang the DJ by The Smiths ringing in my ears. Feels like a different time!

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Post by Pickles » Sun May 28, 2023 10:17 pm

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 9:21 pm
Watching Balde's highlights is making me wonder whether we've ever had a Burnley player do a back flip or somersault to celebrate a goal before...?
Bikey, and Tella after his hat trick goal against PNE this season.

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Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Sun May 28, 2023 10:18 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:51 am
Had completely forgotten about the sell-on clause. Yes, that even further distorts the economic case. Holding on to him was the right thing to do.

Was it Wet Spam that was offering approx 40m?

I think, and this is where people may differ, that giving Brentford 27.5% of circa 40m and replacing him with newer, younger players kee the investment of the squad on our home soil.

Those players we buy with the profits we could then potentially sell on for profit again. So there’s a cumulative effect to what we should have made on Tarks.

Letting him walk for nothing is criminal for a club of our size. Why let assets walk away for nowt. Your instead leaving yourself the problem of having to replace with no funds as opposed to selling him for cash and having some money to make progress with.

I suspect those saying ‘keep him’ were choosing league position over losing assets. Its a real possibility we lose assets this summer for sizeable fees (they’d have to be or wont sell) and be faced with finding more replacements. Ultimately, they might not keep us up and we have to ‘yo-yo’ again. But thats the game we’re in now.
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Post by ArmchairDetective » Sun May 28, 2023 10:23 pm

Pickles wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:17 pm
Bikey, and Tella after his hat trick goal against PNE this season.
Bloody hell, how could I forget :shock: :lol:

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun May 28, 2023 10:38 pm

Out of interest would anyone take Dewsbury Hall from Leicester? Always looked a decent Cm whenever I saw him

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Post by NewClaret » Sun May 28, 2023 10:48 pm

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:18 pm
Was it Wet Spam that was offering approx 40m?

I think, and this is where people may differ, that giving Brentford 27.5% of circa 40m and replacing him with newer, younger players kee the investment of the squad on our home soil.

Those players we buy with the profits we could then potentially sell on for profit again. So there’s a cumulative effect to what we should have made on Tarks.

Letting him walk for nothing is criminal for a club of our size. Why let assets walk away for nowt. Your instead leaving yourself the problem of having to replace with no funds as opposed to selling him for cash and having some money to make progress with.

I suspect those saying ‘keep him’ were choosing league position over losing assets. Its a real possibility we lose assets this summer for sizeable fees (they’d have to be or wont sell) and be faced with finding more replacements. Ultimately, they might not keep us up and we have to ‘yo-yo’ again. But thats the game we’re in now.
West Ham’s final offer was £31m, £25m guaranteed, the rest being performance-related so no idea on the likelihood we’d have ever seen it.

Not sure if you read my post about Tarks’ efforts in retaining our PL status meaning we gained £100m in place of £25m? It was actually really instead of about £18m. No idea how anyone could argue they’d rather £18m over £100m.

We don’t have to lose any of our prized assets if they’re under contract. That’s our choice and if we sell and it costs us the £100m + we get from being in the PL, also our fault. There’s a really huge amount of money on offer for retaining PL status that dwarfs the transfer fees we might be offered, so it’s a very big financial risk selling any of our better players until our squad is better placed to handle their departures. I think we’ll be strengthening, not weakening, fwiw.

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Post by Notsosuperstevedavis » Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 pm

Im hopeful we’ll be stronger too, and we’ll hopefully get 12 more months out of these players before we sell any off.

On the keeping Tarks one. We kept him and got relegated anyway. So keeping him gained nothing. While selling him would have gained something.

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Post by Vegas Claret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:32 am

I'm not sure if we could get him but we could do worse than Jack Harrison from Leeds

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Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Mon May 29, 2023 6:40 am

Socrates wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 7:46 am
Didn’t Cornet have a release clause?
Yeah. 17m. So loads of clubs tried it on with us with various loan to buy or payment terms but eventually AP got 17m up front. From West Ham.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon May 29, 2023 7:26 am

Burnley monitoring the position of Divock Origi

Ekram Konur

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Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 7:38 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 7:26 am
Burnley monitoring the position of Divock Origi

Ekram Konur
What a crazy summer already :lol:

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Post by Pearcey » Mon May 29, 2023 7:51 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 7:26 am
Burnley monitoring the position of Divock Origi

Ekram Konur
Benson going the other way? ;)

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Post by Zom Zom » Mon May 29, 2023 9:07 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 pm
Im hopeful we’ll be stronger too, and we’ll hopefully get 12 more months out of these players before we sell any off.

On the keeping Tarks one. We kept him and got relegated anyway. So keeping him gained nothing. While selling him would have gained something.
It’s the old hindsight thing though isn’t it? A gamble that didn’t pay off. A risk worth taking in my view. However, it didn’t work out too badly for either party!

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Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 9:20 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 pm
On the keeping Tarks one. We kept him and got relegated anyway. So keeping him gained nothing. While selling him would have gained something.
Not the season after the bids, so we retained PL status anyway.

The summer prior to leaving, there were no bids to my memory (think he’d decided he was leaving in a free).

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Post by Targetman » Mon May 29, 2023 9:21 am

KRBFC wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:20 pm
I don’t care he was never worth anywhere near £35m, far too slow and limited to one way of playing. Cracking defending his own penalty box and an absolute headless chicken outside of it, luckily Dyche Central defenders don’t leave their own penalty box so it’s a perfect fit for him to excel
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Post by Big Vinny K » Mon May 29, 2023 9:25 am

Notsosuperstevedavis wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 pm

On the keeping Tarks one. We kept him and got relegated anyway. So keeping him gained nothing. While selling him would have gained something.
We turned down the £30m bid from West Ham at the start of the 2020/21 season and just about survived. So it did work and we did gain another £130m of revenue.
We finished 17th and Tarks, Mee and Pope were the main reasons we did survive.
The year after we just about get relegated but Tarks was our best and most consistent player and losing Mee for a big chunk of the last few months was a big factor in going down.

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Post by ervi34 » Mon May 29, 2023 9:32 am

Fabio Carvhalho has a permanent offer from abroad according to Romano.

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon May 29, 2023 9:38 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 7:26 am
Burnley monitoring the position of Divock Origi

Ekram Konur
Would 100% have origi

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Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 9:55 am

ArmchairDetective wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 8:00 am
Cody Drameh linked

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/luton ... ed-player/
Despite watching him play this season & three playoff matches, I can’t really recall him. Probably not a good sign. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?

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Post by claretspice » Mon May 29, 2023 9:57 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 9:25 am
We turned down the £30m bid from West Ham at the start of the 2020/21 season and just about survived. So it did work and we did gain another £130m of revenue.
We finished 17th and Tarks, Mee and Pope were the main reasons we did survive.
The year after we just about get relegated but Tarks was our best and most consistent player and losing Mee for a big chunk of the last few months was a big factor in going down.
The problem with this is that time catches up with the logic eventually. Either the player gets too old or (like Tarks) he gets to a point where he feels that to get the move/payday he has to let his contract run down.

So all you do is delay the inevitable course of events. The only way to intercept events is to cash in and regenerate the squad. However difficult that is with a player of Tarks' quality.
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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon May 29, 2023 10:01 am

NewClaret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 9:55 am
Despite watching him play this season & three playoff matches, I can’t really recall him. Probably not a good sign. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?
He’s a good athlete that can get up and down the right hand side.

I think he’s an improvement on Vitinho. Would also allow us a bit more flexibility to go to a three at a back

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Post by CoolClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 10:04 am

Given our signing spree last summer, I think we are going to get linked by any and everyone in the papers - just to have a article for people to click on.

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Post by Big Vinny K » Mon May 29, 2023 10:52 am

claretspice wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 9:57 am
The problem with this is that time catches up with the logic eventually. Either the player gets too old or (like Tarks) he gets to a point where he feels that to get the move/payday he has to let his contract run down.

So all you do is delay the inevitable course of events. The only way to intercept events is to cash in and regenerate the squad. However difficult that is with a player of Tarks' quality.
Completely agree.
But the Tarks situation really was a moment in time thing which determined the decision not to sell Tarks. There were a number of pretty unique circumstances involved.

Our owner was allowing contracts to run down.
Our owner was looking to sell the club
Our manager only wanted to shop in the British market (especially for his defenders)
The price of English defenders was inflated - look at what we were being quoted for the bang average forest defender we were often linked with.
Tarks was an England international and he was playing for burnley
Tarks knows he can double his wages and get a whacking signing on fee if he stays till the end of the contract.
And when you are as good as Tarks knows he is and you are say 2 years out from your contract end knowing there are big clubs interested in you then all you have to do is stay fit to get yourself a life changing deal.

And finally and most importantly in our scenario our manager believes the best way to stay up is to keep Tarks.

It’s all short termism type stuff which is no good for the club as you say - but whilst the circumstances around Tarks look like a perfect storm you only have to see what is happening at Leicester to understand that very good players are happy for the club to let their contracts run down knowing that bigger clubs are interested in them.

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Post by Steddyman » Mon May 29, 2023 11:18 am

CoolClaret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 10:04 am
Given our signing spree last summer, I think we are going to get linked by any and everyone in the papers - just to have a article for people to click on.
Given our signing spree last summer, I think we are going to sign any and everyone in the papers.

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Post by KRBFC » Mon May 29, 2023 11:28 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 10:52 am
Completely agree.
But the Tarks situation really was a moment in time thing which determined the decision not to sell Tarks. There were a number of pretty unique circumstances involved.

Our owner was allowing contracts to run down.
Our owner was looking to sell the club
Our manager only wanted to shop in the British market (especially for his defenders)
The price of English defenders was inflated - look at what we were being quoted for the bang average forest defender we were often linked with.
Tarks was an England international and he was playing for burnley
Tarks knows he can double his wages and get a whacking signing on fee if he stays till the end of the contract.
And when you are as good as Tarks knows he is and you are say 2 years out from your contract end knowing there are big clubs interested in you then all you have to do is stay fit to get yourself a life changing deal.

And finally and most importantly in our scenario our manager believes the best way to stay up is to keep Tarks.

It’s all short termism type stuff which is no good for the club as you say - but whilst the circumstances around Tarks look like a perfect storm you only have to see what is happening at Leicester to understand that very good players are happy for the club to let their contracts run down knowing that bigger clubs are interested in them.
Theres a reason he signed for dogshit Everton after they barely survived and not Barcelona

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Post by Big Vinny K » Mon May 29, 2023 11:37 am

KRBFC wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 11:28 am
Theres a reason he signed for dogshit Everton after they barely survived and not Barcelona
I’d say based on the size of his contract and signing on fee there are at least 20 million reasons why Tarks signed for Everton.

Funny how most burnley fans voted Tarks in their best ever burnley eleven yet you talk about him like he’s a slight upgrade on Peter Swan. But with your inflated opinion of your football knowledge I’m pretty sure you believe you are correct and everyone else is wrong.

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Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 11:42 am

In summary, we should be a club that looks to sell players when very good offers come in, but in Tarks’ case the club were not at all prepared for his departure (or any other big players at the time) and it was the right decision to keep him.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon May 29, 2023 11:55 am

Burnley have put an opening offer in for Mikaudetze

According to Ekram Konur

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon May 29, 2023 11:57 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 11:55 am
Burnley have put an opening offer in for Mikaudetze

According to Ekram Konur
Surely the credibility of this journo has to be in question, in 18 hours linked us with 3 strikers, if he gets one right he will call that a win hahaha
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Post by ervi34 » Mon May 29, 2023 12:27 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 11:55 am
Burnley have put an opening offer in for Mikaudetze

According to Ekram Konur
So according to him we sent offers for 2 strikers in one day (and want Origi as well). That's all you need to know about his credibility.

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Mon May 29, 2023 12:32 pm

The problem with twitter transfer journos they through that many different stories, links and rumours out there that they can never be wrong, and delete stories that don’t happen

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Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 12:33 pm

ervi34 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 12:27 pm
So according to him we sent offers for 2 strikers in one day (and want Origi as well). That's all you need to know about his credibility.
Losing Barnes, Dervisoglu and potentially Tella, not completely unthinkable!

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by randomclaret2 » Mon May 29, 2023 12:34 pm

ervi34 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 12:27 pm
So according to him we sent offers for 2 strikers in one day (and want Origi as well). That's all you need to know about his credibility.
I would think we do make offers for several players for the one role

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Nori1958 » Mon May 29, 2023 12:41 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 11:57 am
Surely the credibility of this journo has to be in question, in 18 hours linked us with 3 strikers, if he gets one right he will call that a win hahaha
I hadn't heard of konur till last couple of days....lots of tweets, too many really, seems an awful lot of guesswork

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by NewClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 12:41 pm
I hadn't heard of konur till last couple of days....lots of tweets, too many really, seems an awful lot of guesswork
Shhh! You’re ruining the excitement.

It’s only journalists that link us to rubbish players that are unreliable :D

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by jedi_master » Mon May 29, 2023 1:05 pm

Not sure of this guys track record but he seems pretty scattergun.

If Sacha Tovolieri starts talking I’ll believe it as he has been proven to have an ear to Kompany repeatedly.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by RVclaret » Mon May 29, 2023 1:05 pm

‘Info 🚨 : free on June 30, AJA U21 international midfielder 🇫🇷 Han-Noah Massengo is very popular with Vincent Kompany and Burnley 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

From a French footmercato journo.

https://twitter.com/sebnonda/status/166 ... 59Piho1d6w

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon May 29, 2023 1:14 pm

Seems like a journalist that has just discovered the Burnley twitter mafia, who will retweet, like and comment on any rumour you could link us with.
His twitter traffic will go up plenty by linking us to every man and his dog.

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