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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by jojomk1 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:04 am

Steddyman wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:25 pm
Nope. We will move Charlie on. His wages will be much higher than the other two.
We will move Charlie on "IF" Charlie wants to move on

More and more players now seem happy to run their contracts down, especially if on decent wages

They know they can then potentially make even more for their pension funds if they go on a free and can negotiate a substantial signing on fee with a new club

Mee and Tarks are two good examples from BFC and maybe Charlie stays in touch with them

Personally, I would be happy for Charlie to stay next season

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Post by RicardoMontalban » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:19 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:04 am
We will move Charlie on "IF" Charlie wants to move on

More and more players now seem happy to run their contracts down, especially if on decent wages

They know they can then potentially make even more for their pension funds if they go on a free and can negotiate a substantial signing on fee with a new club

Mee and Tarks are two good examples from BFC and maybe Charlie stays in touch with them

Personally, I would be happy for Charlie to stay next season
Mee and Tarkowski were still as good as guaranteed starters despite their contract situations. The same cannot be said for Taylor and that must have an impact on what choices become available should he decide to run down his contract.

Taylor’s options after a year sat on the bench or playing bit-part roles do not look as peachy when compared to the other two.

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Post by warksclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:34 am

Taylor does not have the appeal of Mee or Tarks from other clubs, he must therefore not make the mistake Long and Lowton made of "hanging on" and running down contracts. If Charlie wants to keep playing at a high level he needs to move this window, and yes can see Dyche showing interest

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Post by ervi34 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:19 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:05 pm
No chance we sell Vitinho with the amount of positions he can fill in. He may also develop into a handy player yet for a specific role.
Spot on. He's not the best winger we have, he's not the best left back we have and he's not even the best RB which is his prefered position but he can play in so many positions. With 9 players on the bench and 5 subs he will have a lot of cameos.

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Post by Andingle » Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:27 pm

Not a transfer but sounds a positive addition.
https://twitter.com/ClaretXtra/status/1 ... pqqFw&s=19
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Post by eastcoastclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:46 pm

Andingle wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:27 pm
Not a transfer but sounds a positive addition.
https://twitter.com/ClaretXtra/status/1 ... pqqFw&s=19
Well respected coach and will bring with him good Academy contacts.
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Post by Firthy » Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:03 pm

Completely off topic but seems the right thread to ask the question. How have Liverpool signed McAllister from Brighton for £35m when the window isn't open yet??

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Post by buzzclarets79 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:36 pm

Firthy wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:03 pm
Completely off topic but seems the right thread to ask the question. How have Liverpool signed McAllister from Brighton for £35m when the window isn't open yet??
Essentially you can do all the paper work get everything signed off, but the player won't technically become a Liverpool player until the window opens, so they are likely to have everything in place and just announced it early. That's how I understand it anyway.

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Post by Darnhill Claret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:38 pm

You can get a signature now but can only register a player when the window opens.

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm

RVclaret wrote:
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Nixon saying we are making a new 7m + bonus offer for Jack Clarke. Sunderland want 10 guaranteed.
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
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Post by Vegas Claret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
I think he had something like 9 goals and 13 assists last season, very good in a promoted side

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
Interesting CT. If Nixon is to be believed on this one it certainly doesn’t seem we are that far away on valuations etc so looks a deal to be done if we want him.

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Post by warksclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:55 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
Good news when their fans don't want him to leave rather than "ordering a taxi" for him

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Post by NewClaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:57 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
Get the article ready CT!

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Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:58 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:55 pm
Good news when their fans don't want him to leave rather than "ordering a taxi" for him
No matter how good a player is, there are always the taxi ordering fans when he’s leaving. We’ve seen it here when players have opted to leave.

I have friends at other clubs who will always be honest with me when we are linked with one of their players and my mate at Sunderland is very much one of them.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:10 pm

A quick check on Sunderland’s messageboard about this and you get your typical

‘Why would Clarke take a backwards move to Burnley, we’ll likely be passing them next season’

‘£20m or f off’

‘He should be going to a Villa type club if anyone’

I know we had it on this board with some of our players last summer but I just find it hilarious how attached fans get.
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Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
Happy with his.He stood out for me against us at Turf Moor.Neat,tidy,hardworking player with a bit of style.

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Post by Big Vinny K » Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:36 pm

See Lerma is set to join Palace as a free agent.
He was Bournemouths record signing for £25m.
Good signing for Palace as always looked decent to me though tends to fly in a lot and pick up too many cards.

Very difficult situation when a player decides to run his contract down like this and you are club like Bournemouth or ourselves who are not sure which division you are going to be in from season to season. How ever good the player is and important to the team the club are probably not in a position to offer him anywhere near the kind of deal the player knows he can command when a premier league team is going to pick him up for nothing.
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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:47 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:10 pm
A quick check on Sunderland’s messageboard about this and you get your typical

‘Why would Clarke take a backwards move to Burnley, we’ll likely be passing them next season’

‘£20m or f off’

‘He should be going to a Villa type club if anyone’

I know we had it on this board with some of our players last summer but I just find it hilarious how attached fans get.
Sunderland fans think theyre going up next season ? Really ?

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Post by Nori1958 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:52 pm

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:35 pm
Happy with his.He stood out for me against us at Turf Moor.Neat,tidy,hardworking player with a bit of style.
I don't remember him at the turf....sorry

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Post by northeastclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:09 pm

Living near Sunderland took an interest in their performances last season and thought he was excellent, brilliant signing for us at the age he is.
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Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:17 pm

Nori1958 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:52 pm
I don't remember him at the turf....sorry
That’s OK…I do

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Post by Nori1958 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:23 pm

Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:17 pm
That’s OK…I do
Fair enough

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:36 pm

Sunderland fan in peace.

Jack Clarke really is absolutely brilliant. If you sign him for anywhere near the numbers quoted, its a steal. He drifts past players with ease, can carry the ball long distances to get up the pitch quickly and has a good finish / eye for goal on him.

Personally I wouldn't entertain anything less than £18m - and would ideally want more. He could be worth much more than that soon. Bear in mind we signed him for £3m and owe Spurs a massive sell-on fee, there is no chance he goes for anything like £7m, with 3 years on his contract when we are in good financial health.

He's only 22 - so despite being around for ages, he's still crazy young.

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:40 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:47 pm
Sunderland fans think theyre going up next season ? Really ?
We have a chance at least like. most sensible ones dont expect it (there's probably 14 clubs with a chance)
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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:57 pm

Put it this way - Amad got all the headlines but Jack Clarke was our best player last year.

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:01 pm

One last thing - he also played wing back quite a bit last year. His defensive responsibility and work rate was brilliant. Its the kind of thing I think people expect he just wouldn't do as he seems a bit "showy".

Basically please don't take him. And if you do - it will be for a lot more than Nixon for example is quoting.

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Post by RVclaret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:04 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:01 pm
One last thing - he also played wing back quite a bit last year. His defensive responsibility and work rate was brilliant. Its the kind of thing I think people expect he just wouldn't do as he seems a bit "showy".

Basically please don't take him. And if you do - it will be for a lot more than Nixon for example is quoting.
We won’t be paying much more than £10m I wouldn’t think. Already got Zaroury in that position so anything more than that for someone who might not start every game is a big chunk of our budget. I do rate him highly though and hope we sign him (sorry).

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:06 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:04 pm
We won’t be paying much more than £10m I wouldn’t think. Already got Zaroury in that position so anything more than that for someone who might not start every game is a big chunk of our budget. I do rate him highly though and hope we sign him (sorry).
I obviously might be wrong but I can't see him going for less than 10. 3 years left on deal, publicly saying he wants to stay (I know we've all heard that before).

If he had a year left, I still think £10m would be a good price. But 3 years? I just can't see it. There would literally be hell on at Sunderland if that happened. Bear in mind we'd have to give a lot of that to Spurs, we'd not making more than a couple million profit.

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Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:11 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:40 pm
We have a chance at least like. most sensible ones dont expect it (there's probably 14 clubs with a chance)
Fair play 🙌

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Post by DCWat » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:11 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:06 pm
I obviously might be wrong but I can't see him going for less than 10. 3 years left on deal, publicly saying he wants to stay (I know we've all heard that before).

If he had a year left, I still think £10m would be a good price. But 3 years? I just can't see it. There would literally be hell on at Sunderland if that happened. Bear in mind we'd have to give a lot of that to Spurs, we'd not making more than a couple million profit.
What is his best position, is it left wing and how is his end product? His numbers suggest pretty bloody good!!

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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:15 pm

DCWat wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:11 pm
What is his best position, is it left wing and how is his end product? His numbers suggest pretty bloody good!!
Left wing and very good.

He didn't do much crossing last season (I think we crossed the least out of any side in the league) because we didnt have a striker. So I can't say how good he is at that.

But his key strength is just carrying the ball up the pitch on the left and then cutting inside and curling it in to the bottom corner. He often did this fron left wing back and occasionally even left back - like in the playoff Luton game he ended up at left back as we had no defenders.

When he's "on it" he seems to be untackleable. He does occasionally drift out of games but he's 22 and the rapid improvement in him from the League One spell last season to now is ridiculous.
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Post by DCWat » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:24 pm

geronimosally wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:15 pm
Left wing and very good.

He didn't do much crossing last season (I think we crossed the least out of any side in the league) because we didnt have a striker. So I can't say how good he is at that.

But his key strength is just carrying the ball up the pitch on the left and then cutting inside and curling it in to the bottom corner. He often did this fron left wing back and occasionally even left back - like in the playoff Luton game he ended up at left back as we had no defenders.

When he's "on it" he seems to be untackleable. He does occasionally drift out of games but he's 22 and the rapid improvement in him from the League One spell last season to now is ridiculous.
Thanks for that - sounds promising, if we were to sign him.

What are your expectations for next season? Plenty of big clubs, alongside yourselves in the Championship, I can see it being a difficult one to do well in for a good few clubs.

Frustrating for you to miss out but still a good first season back at that level, after what probably felt far too long away!

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:40 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:43 pm
Spoken to my mate in Sunlan and he reckons it is just about as close as it can be to a done deal. He’s very definitely far from happy at the potential loss of Clarke.
This was my feeling as well when Nixon’s story broke yesterday. With Kompany apparently being very hands on with transfers it certainly doesn’t come across as we’re trying to nick Clarke like the previous regime might have done. It feels very much like we’ve had some encouragement and we’re tempting Sunderland (and Clarke) with an offer that they may deem acceptable. If not this time, then the next offer maybe.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:25 pm

Seems to be pretty well known in the north east. A load of my mates up here thinks it already a done deal

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Post by Greenmile » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:38 pm

Judging from this 70-odd (!) page thread on the Sunderland messageboard their fans would be furious if we got him for anything like £10m. Most of them seem to be saying they shouldn’t let him leave for less than £20-25m

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/b ... ke.1608553

Usual caveats about one-eyed fans apply, of course, but if there’s any truth to the rumours it sounds like a good deal from our perspective.

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Post by claretspice » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:44 pm

It is quite interesting that Clarke has played in the left almost exclusively for Sunderland. As I understand it, when he came to prominence at Leeds he played predominantly on the right to great effect. He looks to be almost equally comfortable on either side.

Suspect that will be attractive to Kompany. Zaroury is a huge talent on the left, but we need an alternative because last season we didn't have much - and the fact Zaroury is so likely to start makes it awkward to assure top calibre talent of regular starts - unless they can play more than one position.

It is entirely possible that Clarke's contract includes a release clause if a Premier League club comes in.
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Post by Steddyman » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:46 pm

It makes more sense we will want to sign more British players for next season, like Jack Clarke.

Don't you still 8 home-grown players for the Champions League? We'll have to keep an eye on this with our recruitment to ensure we have a big enough squad for our run in the Champions League the season after.
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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:51 pm

DCWat wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:24 pm
Thanks for that - sounds promising, if we were to sign him.

What are your expectations for next season? Plenty of big clubs, alongside yourselves in the Championship, I can see it being a difficult one to do well in for a good few clubs.

Frustrating for you to miss out but still a good first season back at that level, after what probably felt far too long away!
We were way ahead of schedule - last season exceeded expectations.

This summer is all about who we keep. Even then, our recruitment has been phenomenal.

If we do keep hold of Clarke, Roberts, Neil, Patterson, Cirkin and Ballard, and can convince Ross Stewart to stay and not go to Stoke for treble his wages like his old boss Alex Neil, then we have a shot. We also I reckon should have quite a good chance at getting EPL loans considering Mowbray's rep and what we did for Amad.

I can't see us getting automatic - but playoffs are definitely a possibility. But like I said before, there are about 10 teams who expect to tbe in the playoffs. If we sell all our top talent and dont' replace well then we could slide towards bottom.
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Post by geronimosally » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:52 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:38 pm
Judging from this 70-odd (!) page thread on the Sunderland messageboard their fans would be furious if we got him for anything like £10m. Most of them seem to be saying they shouldn’t let him leave for less than £20-25m

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/b ... ke.1608553

Usual caveats about one-eyed fans apply, of course, but if there’s any truth to the rumours it sounds like a good deal from our perspective.
you have to go through about 10 posts on that forum to find one worth reading... but they're broadly right. He's being massively underrated by the fees being reported. I trust our board to know that, but who knows. Its like the first time since Pickford we've had a player worth buying!!!
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Post by Cap » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:54 pm

If we sign Clarke, does that mean we won't be pursuing Tresor?
We would then have 3 left sided forward/wide players which I can't see happening.
I really like the look of Tresor too :(

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Post by ArmchairDetective » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:56 pm

I read that Tresor can play more central too.

Clarke looks similar to Zaroury. Makes sense to have a backup. Hope we go for Tresor as well.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:06 pm

claretspice wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:44 pm
It is quite interesting that Clarke has played in the left almost exclusively for Sunderland. As I understand it, when he came to prominence at Leeds he played predominantly on the right to great effect. He looks to be almost equally comfortable on either side.

Suspect that will be attractive to Kompany. Zaroury is a huge talent on the left, but we need an alternative because last season we didn't have much - and the fact Zaroury is so likely to start makes it awkward to assure top calibre talent of regular starts - unless they can play more than one position.

It is entirely possible that Clarke's contract includes a release clause if a Premier League club comes in.
And we will be without Zaroury for a while in all likelihood for the Africa Cup of Nations.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Darnhill Claret » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:12 pm

I really like this player, reminds me of Jack Grealish, so let's not sell him on too soon.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:18 pm

If the info about Clarke is true then it’s excellent early business and good to still look to sign some young home grown talent.

Tresor, tella and a striker and that’s the top half of the pitch sorted

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by claretspice » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:45 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:06 pm
And we will be without Zaroury for a while in all likelihood for the Africa Cup of Nations.
That's true but the point stands. It's tricky to find someone willing to come and play second fiddle to an established star. If he can play either side then that flexibility makes it so much easier.

ACON does certainly underscore why we need to strengthen that department though.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:51 pm

claretspice wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:45 pm
That's true but the point stands. It's tricky to find someone willing to come and play second fiddle to an established star. If he can play either side then that flexibility makes it so much easier.

ACON does certainly underscore why we need to strengthen that department though.
Think you’re underestimating Clarke’s ability if you think he’s defo going to be second fiddle.

Clarke had considerably better stats than Zaroury so wouldn’t expect him to definitely play second fiddle.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by claretspice » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:56 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:51 pm
Think you’re underestimating Clarke’s ability if you think he’s defo going to be second fiddle.

Clarke had considerably better stats than Zaroury so wouldn’t expect him to definitely play second fiddle.
I wouldn't expect him to play second fiddle. I'd expect they would be used as alternatives on the left a reasonable amount, but would also play together a reasonable amount, with Clarke playing on the right. My point was that Zaroury is a high quality player in his own right, so anyone coming in has a real challenge in taking the shirt off him, unless they can play alongside him from a different position.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by 123EasyasBFC » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:57 pm

Greenmile wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:38 pm
Judging from this 70-odd (!) page thread on the Sunderland messageboard their fans would be furious if we got him for anything like £10m. Most of them seem to be saying they shouldn’t let him leave for less than £20-25m

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/b ... ke.1608553

Usual caveats about one-eyed fans apply, of course, but if there’s any truth to the rumours it sounds like a good deal from our perspective.
When you read the comments on the forum they think CT is a troll hoping from one forum to another saying the deal is done

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