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Three mentions in the morning papers. All old news.
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A longer sentence than many murderers get.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:05 pmI'm no mathematician but even I can work out the sums where BG is concerned from the 15 to the 8, add ons were attached so the 15 wouldn't have been reached but you can also assume the 8 from Norwich would have included add ons also, people trying to suggest breaking even are away with the clouds, I'm not suggesting anybody I'm suggesting you specifically with the international spiel, its a transfer we should have stayed away from, but what should have happened earlier is a take or leave it offer with mee with a timed retraction & no dilly dallying without Gibson turning up thinking it's his position he wouldn't have left & the 7 or thereabouts wouldn't have been lost.
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Is this the right Diallo? I thought us and West Ham were going for Habib Diallo.
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You might see a left backs primary role as being a defender, and no doubts or arguments that under Dyche, it was.bumba wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:14 pmSo VK has told you Ian Maatsen's role is too be the highest and widest player at all times?
His role is left back, a left back these days attacks as much as they defend but his job over Zaroury's on the left was to stop the right winger, something he struggled with against anybody half decent.
You seem to think your from the school of football with a brain like Pep.
Ian Maatsen if deployed in our team in the premier league will have to defend more than he gets to attack, plenty of 21 year old full backs can defend.
Why does TAA get so much stick regarding his defending? Why did Liverpool concede so many goals from his side? Why doesn't the England manager fancy him when he's so good at attacking and creating chances? Maybe it's because his role is to defend first.
All roles have changed but there also still as simple as ever, football is a simple game.
We just play an expressive style of play now where players get more freedom to move out of the usual squares players used to be taught to play in and can roam more freely when in possession but out of possession Ian Maatsen's role is to get back in to the left back position and defend.
In Kompanys system, whilst yes he needs a lb to defend, there’s a bit more nuance to it.
If you want a lb to come in and be stronger defensively and sacrifice his attacking side then what you are saying really is that you expect Kompany to fundamentally alter his approach, which isn’t what is going to happen and so we need one of these ‘modern’ fullback type.
If you’re saying what we need is someone who retains Maatsens attacking prowess but improves on his defending significantly then I’d be extremely interested to learn who you think fits that profile within our budget?
Nobody will pay 20m for Maatsen by the way. Half that gets him. I suspect agent or the club putting the feelers out.
Also, I’ve been led to believe that our situation with Maatsen is a lot more advanced than what is being written about in the press. Might not yet turn out to be right but very much delivered in a good faith “take it or leave it” crumb of chatter.
So I’d maybe get comfortable with the idea.
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Be fair, it’s more insightful than most of your posts!Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:03 amThanks for the insightful response there's a lot to build on with that.
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That's your opinion which you are entitled to, we can go around in circles having digs or we can get on with discussing transfers & gossip etc, I know which I'd rather do.
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We’re all a little odd, but this thread is full of the oddest men in Oddsville.
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I get we don't want to lose his attacking abilities but Roberts provided the same goals and assists but was stronger defensively when asked and he cost a fraction of what Maatsen will cost so there is players available.capable of doing it.BigGaz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:48 amYou might see a left backs primary role as being a defender, and no doubts or arguments that under Dyche, it was.
In Kompanys system, whilst yes he needs a lb to defend, there’s a bit more nuance to it.
If you want a lb to come in and be stronger defensively and sacrifice his attacking side then what you are saying really is that you expect Kompany to fundamentally alter his approach, which isn’t what is going to happen and so we need one of these ‘modern’ fullback type.
If you’re saying what we need is someone who retains Maatsens attacking prowess but improves on his defending significantly then I’d be extremely interested to learn who you think fits that profile within our budget?
Nobody will pay 20m for Maatsen by the way. Half that gets him. I suspect agent or the club putting the feelers out.
Also, I’ve been led to believe that our situation with Maatsen is a lot more advanced than what is being written about in the press. Might not yet turn out to be right but very much delivered in a good faith “take it or leave it” crumb of chatter.
So I’d maybe get comfortable with the idea.
Funny that not saying you but a lot of other posters are arguing that his role isn't a full back and he's deployed to be high and wide yet VK himself quotes him as a full back when speaking about him, how about that guess VK doesn't know what he's talking about
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I like Maatsen as much as the next fan but £20m is pie in the sky. Move on unless Chelsea are willing to be realistic. Mind you, this is the club that spend nearly £90m on Mudryk. Their valuations might be a little off - either that or they're desperate to recoup as much as they can for this seasons shambolic performance in the transfer market.
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Are you saying that even though VK and Dyche both would refer to them as full backs that they deploy them in the same way in their respective teams ?bumba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:19 am
Funny that not saying you but a lot of other posters are arguing that his role isn't a full back and he's deployed to be high and wide yet VK himself quotes him as a full back when speaking about him, how about that guess VK doesn't know what he's talking about
I’m just wondering what you find funny or strange here or what point you are making ?
I have never heard any manager or commentator say and today at “high and wide” position Arsenal are playing…..
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Nobody will pay 20m for Maatsen.
If there is any truth in this valuation all it does is show that Boehly is as dumb when it comes to selling as he is when buying
If there is any truth in this valuation all it does is show that Boehly is as dumb when it comes to selling as he is when buying
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Of all out loanees Tella is the one imo we want to be signing.He has great potential and will be a real asset in the Premier league. Origi is not what we need.
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Agreed, but the speed in which we brought players in last summer that fit the way VK wanted to play gives me massive confidence that he has more than one alternative if Maatsen doesn’t happen.boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:39 pmeither way we are in need of a left back with a similar skill-set to Maatsen for the coming season.
Maatsen would still be my first choice as I’d expect him to become a full international in the next year and his value will only go up, but I just can’t see us paying £20m (even if that includes add ons)
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Not at this moment in time but what Chelsea are likely to do is loan him out again & if he has a good season especially in the top flight then they'll get the 20m easily, Chelsea don't tend to sell their better players unless they have to & prefer to loan them out or retain them such as RLC & Gallagher even when they sold guehi they attached a clause Chelsea have first sell on refusal.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:59 amNobody will pay 20m for Maatsen.
If there is any truth in this valuation all it does is show that Boehly is as dumb when it comes to selling as he is when buying
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Doesn't Ian's contract with Chelsea run out next summer? £20m is a ridiculous valuation if that's the case.
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He has one year left on his contract so loaning someone out for them to return and leave on a free doesn't make sense unless he signs a new deal.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:45 amNot at this moment in time but what Chelsea are likely to do is loan him out again & if he has a good season especially in the top flight then they'll get the 20m easily, Chelsea don't tend to sell their better players unless they have to & prefer to loan them out or retain them such as RLC & Gallagher even when they sold guehi they attached a clause Chelsea have first sell on refusal.
If he does sign again I can't see why unless he's been guaranteed game time or doesn't care about being a backup.
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Thistrawlen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:53 amHe has one year left on his contract so loaning someone out for them to return and leave on a free doesn't make sense unless he signs a new deal.
If he does sign again I can't see why unless he's been guaranteed game time or doesn't care about being a backup.
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Yes it has one year to run.
There’s no option to loan again. What it will all depend on is whether he would be willing to sign a new contract and bide his time to break in to the Chelsea team.
The way they go through managers, I don’t think that would be a wise career move really, because even if Poch saw his potential the next manager might not.
I do think this’ll come down to how much Maatsen is willing to stand firm and push s move through, if the asking price is as ridiculous as reported. In which case we’d need to get cover in early so we have a LB to start the season.
There’s no option to loan again. What it will all depend on is whether he would be willing to sign a new contract and bide his time to break in to the Chelsea team.
The way they go through managers, I don’t think that would be a wise career move really, because even if Poch saw his potential the next manager might not.
I do think this’ll come down to how much Maatsen is willing to stand firm and push s move through, if the asking price is as ridiculous as reported. In which case we’d need to get cover in early so we have a LB to start the season.
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He'll sign a new deal go out on loan again or stay as a backup, he will have ambitions to break into the first team at Chelsea, realistically I think a loan is the best we can hope for.trawlen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:53 amHe has one year left on his contract so loaning someone out for them to return and leave on a free doesn't make sense unless he signs a new deal.
If he does sign again I can't see why unless he's been guaranteed game time or doesn't care about being a backup.
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Maatsen holds the boss cards here. If he wants a move to Burnley he'll get one. No need for us to bend over.
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He's probably fourth in line for that left back role behind Chilwell, Cucurella and Lewis Hall so I'd say he's very unlikely to get much game time with them as things currently stand.
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Tbf won’t Chelsea get 6-7m even if he leaves on a free”
I can see why they are valuing so high at this point of the window.
I can see why they are valuing so high at this point of the window.
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Yep he’s only got a year left which makes their valuation even more ridiculous….unless they have already had discussions with their player about extending his contract ?ArmchairDetective wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:47 amDoesn't Ian's contract with Chelsea run out next summer? £20m is a ridiculous valuation if that's the case.
Given the number of players they have on their books surely at some point someone will realise that cannot carry on indefinitely ?
They have just rejected Brighton’s bid for Lewis Colwill for £30m as “shameful” ! He’s only 20 years old. He did play 17 games in the PL last season and looked a really good player to me.
The money is crazy but as someone said above Chelsea seem to be a team who pay way over the odds for their players but also want way over the odds when selling……which might explain why they buy loads of players and end up with a lot of their loan players coming back and joining the rest of the 60 players on their books !
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I don't think it's a coincidence that we've been linked with Gomez the same time that Chelsea have shared their asking price. Bit cloak and dagger but there's clearly negotiations going on for Maatsen and it wouldn't be happening if he didn't fancy coming back. My bet is that we'll manage to drive the price down eventually. I think he'll develop into a top player but nobody in their right mind is paying £20m for him at this stage.
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Suspect that VK will already have his opinions whether we go for Maatsen, and is he worth the asking price (whatever that might be).
We should take re-assurance of course we still have Charlie Taylor. He did not start as LB often , and most of the time he was cumbersome, and not the best of fits to the way the team was playing. However the PL is a different place with some outstanding wide players and even full backs, but I never recall him being "roasted" by any one PL forwards in around 3-4 years that he played in it.There well be some opposition where VK decides CT would be a better fit than an attacking full back like Maatsen or Gomez
We should take re-assurance of course we still have Charlie Taylor. He did not start as LB often , and most of the time he was cumbersome, and not the best of fits to the way the team was playing. However the PL is a different place with some outstanding wide players and even full backs, but I never recall him being "roasted" by any one PL forwards in around 3-4 years that he played in it.There well be some opposition where VK decides CT would be a better fit than an attacking full back like Maatsen or Gomez
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Ignore the valuation from a chip paper writer, just throwing numbers about. He is & has been a championship full back, no prem experience & about to enter the last year of his contract, then throw in Chelsea’s financial fair play status with the need to clear the decks even with home grown players with the other talent they have I would suspect 5-8 mil up front, add on’s & even buy back clauses to be a deal in the real world.
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Now that Everton are safe I notice SD is trying to get Billy Mercer to join as GK coach. Seem to recall that when Dyche joined, Pickford was very clear that he wanted to retain his GK coach at any cost. Could prove sensitive
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Marc guehi was only at Swansea & he went for 18 million & they never even got promoted, that's the going rate because of his age.Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:21 amIgnore the valuation from a chip paper writer, just throwing numbers about. He is & has been a championship full back, no prem experience & about to enter the last year of his contract, then throw in Chelsea’s financial fair play status with the need to clear the decks even with home grown players with the other talent they have I would suspect 5-8 mil up front, add on’s & even buy back clauses to be a deal in the real world.
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On a particularly odd day !agreenwood wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:08 amWe’re all a little odd, but this thread is full of the oddest men in Oddsville.
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If only it was only the odd day
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They would be very lucky to get that. I can only think of Ings for 5m in that ball park and he was on the verge of an England call up going to one of the big clubs in the country. In other words, career going upwards at a huge rate of knots.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:58 amTbf won’t Chelsea get 6-7m even if he leaves on a free”
I can see why they are valuing so high at this point of the window.
If he goes abroad it's 300k.
To a club like ours I would say around 2m compensation for his training.
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Didn’t the England RB ( can’t remember his name) absolutely destroy Taylor in the 2nd half in our relegation season playing for Chelsea ?warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:20 amSuspect that VK will already have his opinions whether we go for Maatsen, and is he worth the asking price (whatever that might be).
We should take re-assurance of course we still have Charlie Taylor. He did not start as LB often , and most of the time he was cumbersome, and not the best of fits to the way the team was playing. However the PL is a different place with some outstanding wide players and even full backs, but I never recall him being "roasted" by any one PL forwards in around 3-4 years that he played in it.There well be some opposition where VK decides CT would be a better fit than an attacking full back like Maatsen or Gomez
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Reece James - scored a great goal that day. TBF we got destroyed all over the pitch but think James was excellent that day.
Personally I thought Charlie Taylor really struggled in that relegation season - a lot of our goals and issues came down his side. Of course it was not all his fault and he was often left exposed by deficiencies in our midfield and Dwight struggling too. Taylor also had a few injury issues in that season which made it a stop start season for him - as it was for a few of our regulars.
It was just one of those kind of seasons - just like some years we had a bit of good luck in our relegation season we had some bad luck with injuries and when you have little or no depth in your squad and there’s other issues happening round the club it’s difficult to stay up.
Happened to much bigger clubs than us - as we can see this season.
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Jack Clarke from Sunderland linked in the Burnley Express... although they do say he's a defender. Watched him a couple of times last season and was impressed. Was touted as one of the best talents in the country when at Leeds, before his move to Spurs, and then on to Sunderland, where he finally appeared to find his feet at a pro level.
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Thats a good summary Big Vinny-Chelsea as the away side had over 75% possession and mauled us that day, and James was proving exceptional against a lot of teams. THere were not too many one on one roastings Taylor got over the period and that included the likes of Traore of Wolves at his prime, where he was brilliant defensively at Wolves during a 0-0 draw.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:39 pmReece James - scored a great goal that day. TBF we got destroyed all over the pitch but think James was excellent that day.
Personally I thought Charlie Taylor really struggled in that relegation season - a lot of our goals and issues came down his side. Of course it was not all his fault and he was often left exposed by deficiencies in our midfield and Dwight struggling too. Taylor also had a few injury issues in that season which made it a stop start season for him - as it was for a few of our regulars.
It was just one of those kind of seasons - just like some years we had a bit of good luck in our relegation season we had some bad luck with injuries and when you have little or no depth in your squad and there’s other issues happening round the club it’s difficult to stay up.
Happened to much bigger clubs than us - as we can see this season.
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I think Mowbray has played a big part in bringing this lad on. His play reminds me a lot of a certain magician that used to play for us.dandeclaret wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:46 pmJack Clarke from Sunderland linked in the Burnley Express... although they do say he's a defender. Watched him a couple of times last season and was impressed. Was touted as one of the best talents in the country when at Leeds, before his move to Spurs, and then on to Sunderland, where he finally appeared to find his feet at a pro level.
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Perhaps we could sign him for our almost acquired Belgian team and then loan him to Burnley!Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:15 am
If he goes abroad it's 300k.
To a club like ours I would say around 2m compensation for his training.
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Re. Massengo.
Saw him play for the first time on Saturday. Auxerre had to beat Lens (already certain 2nd place) to stay up.
Yes, you can't judge fairly on one showing but he looked very, very far from being ready for PL. Full of running and willing to take people on but will need several seasons in The Championship to see whether he can be more productive.
Saw him play for the first time on Saturday. Auxerre had to beat Lens (already certain 2nd place) to stay up.
Yes, you can't judge fairly on one showing but he looked very, very far from being ready for PL. Full of running and willing to take people on but will need several seasons in The Championship to see whether he can be more productive.
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Roberts did very well for us last season, but, at 27, he is vastly more experienced than Maasten and has played nearly 50 times for Wales.bumba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:19 amI get we don't want to lose his attacking abilities but Roberts provided the same goals and assists but was stronger defensively when asked and he cost a fraction of what Maatsen will cost so there is players available.capable of doing it.
Funny that not saying you but a lot of other posters are arguing that his role isn't a full back and he's deployed to be high and wide yet VK himself quotes him as a full back when speaking about him, how about that guess VK doesn't know what he's talking about
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According to Football League World, Burnley Stoke and Blackburn are interested in QPR's Lyndon Dykes.
I wouldn't mind him coming to East Lancashire.........as long as it's to Ewood.
I watched him playing for Queen of the South a few times at the beginning of his career, and he didn't particularly stand out even at that level.
No way is he a Premier League player.
I wouldn't mind him coming to East Lancashire.........as long as it's to Ewood.
I watched him playing for Queen of the South a few times at the beginning of his career, and he didn't particularly stand out even at that level.
No way is he a Premier League player.
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Lyndon Dykes
Not even sure he’s a championship player
Not even sure he’s a championship player
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We were linked with him when Dyche was in charge if I remember right. You'd have to assume its just a lazy link based off that.
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£15m bid for Maatsen rejected.
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Yes Chelsea fans suggesting they should be asking 30/40M
https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/16657 ... 944ug&s=08
https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/16657 ... 944ug&s=08
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It’s all their weird young twitter fans who have probably never seen him play aside from a couple of online clipsAndingle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:52 pmYes Chelsea fans suggesting they should be asking 30/40M
https://twitter.com/CFCPys/status/16657 ... 944ug&s=08
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If we've offered £15m and they want £20m then there isn't a lot of difference
They have to sell players as well - we could easily incentivise it for them by making them first choice if we sell, big sell on fees or pay more the better we do
Sounds pretty likely this
They have to sell players as well - we could easily incentivise it for them by making them first choice if we sell, big sell on fees or pay more the better we do
Sounds pretty likely this