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Nixon on Diallo
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572429 ... llo-messi/
Random Sun journo on Gomez
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572372 ... y-burnley/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572429 ... llo-messi/
Random Sun journo on Gomez
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572372 ... y-burnley/
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When I've seen Nixon's twitter headline I thought we're in for Amad Diallo. Didn't hear much about the Strasbourgh one but 20 million is a huge amount of money.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:32 amNixon on Diallo
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572429 ... llo-messi/
Random Sun journo on Gomez
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572372 ... y-burnley/
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I suspect it’s just a matter of time till we sign Gomez.RVclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:32 amNixon on Diallo
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572429 ... llo-messi/
Random Sun journo on Gomez
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22572372 ... y-burnley/
It makes the most sense that he is one of our loans
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It tells me that Luton had a brilliant season, went up on merit and played well almost every time I saw them. I don't like people forming a view based on the perceived club size which is what you've just done.
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Nothing to do with the size of the club.
Look at the players they have. If they are the third best team in the championship it really doesn’t say a lot about the quality of the league. I would argue there’s not a single player they have that starts in the prem for any other prem side.
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Is that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 amYes did you not?
Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
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How on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season
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Not that it matters, but you saw a very different game at Luton than I did.Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amIs that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?
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Not sure what your point is?Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amIs that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?
It’s been pretty well acknowledged that the league was **** poor this year and I think Luton being promoted is a perfect indicator of that.
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I agree be amazed if they finish anything but 20thdaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:48 amHow on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season
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That may be so but the comments were about the Championship not the PLdaveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:48 amHow on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season
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https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... en-4168775
If you can be bothered to navigate their website; a useful summary of our links to players so far.
I know some can’t be bothered trawling the pages of discussion so may be worth it for those who are in that boat.
If you can be bothered to navigate their website; a useful summary of our links to players so far.
I know some can’t be bothered trawling the pages of discussion so may be worth it for those who are in that boat.
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Nothing new.daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:56 amDo you not see what the link is between the third best team in the Championship being **** is and the Championship being full of **** teams?
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It actually makes zero sense that he is one of our loans should we sign him.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 amI suspect it’s just a matter of time till we sign Gomez.
It makes the most sense that he is one of our loans
We can afford him. Loans would be better being players we can’t really afford permanently.
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What's with the 18 points?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:55 amIsn’t that contradictory?
Surely if the third best championship team only gets 18 points it shows the rest of the league is crap
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Fair point,Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:58 amIt actually makes zero sense that he is one of our loans should we sign him.
We can afford him. Loans would be better being players we can’t really afford permanently.
I just suspected he might be out of reach financially
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City would be happy with recouping the £10m outlay for Gomez . Not sure on his wages. Also could this be a ploy to drive down Maatsens price tag?
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Genuine question: prior to our relegation, didn’t you used to say the that the standard of then Championship was really high and that we’d struggle to get out of it?Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 amNot sure what your point is?
It’s been pretty well acknowledged that the league was **** poor this year and I think Luton being promoted is a perfect indicator of that.
Or am I thinking of someone else?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64606746arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 amNot that it matters, but you saw a very different game at Luton than I did.
And maybe you saw a pretty different game than VK.
The stats of the game suggest you did to.
Luton were a very difficult team to play against and we struggled with their height and forwards.
Like you say it’s not a big issue but thought they had a very good and consistent season
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The championship produced 100mil jack grealishQuickenthetempo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:12 amI reckon the French league has produced more top players for the Premier league, than the championship.
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league
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Belgian league is not better than the championship no, but don’t see what the Belgian league has to do with the French league, we are yet to see if the players we signed from the Belgian league can make the step up to the premgandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:56 amHow much better were the Belgian leagues than the championship? If at all?
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These figures are often heavily performance related, which may not have been triggered. Or at least any personal elements wouldn’t have, if they were based on team success City will have a large bill, but my point is it mightn’t be the full £10m needed for City to recoup. Good thing is, VK will know all the details.Hedontplayforyou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:24 amCity would be happy with recouping the £10m outlay for Gomez . Not sure on his wages. Also could this be a ploy to drive down Maatsens price tag?
I think we need two LBs if Charlie isn’t favoured.
Would love to get Gomez done early and put Chelsea under a bit of pressure re: Maatsen.
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Tbf Grealish had already played two full seasons at premier league level before dropping to the championship.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:36 amThe championship produced 100mil jack grealish
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league
For context the following players all came from Ligue 1:
Hazard, Cech, Essien, Kante, Evra, Drogba, Bernardo Silva, Martial, Fabinho.
Taking out transfers that went to elite premier league clubs, some of the more recent French transfers:
Guimaries, Paqueta, Fofana, Botman, Aguerd, Diop, Anguissa, Cornet
There’s some real top talent in that league.
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Top talent in majority of leagues across Europe but in my opinion the championship is a tougher and harder league than the ligue 1Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:50 amTbf Grealish had already played two full seasons at premier league level before dropping to the championship.
For context the following players all came from Ligue 1:
Hazard, Cech, Essien, Kante, Evra, Drogba, Bernardo Silva, Martial, Fabinho.
Taking out transfers that went to elite premier league clubs, some of the more recent French transfers:
Guimaries, Paqueta, Fofana, Botman, Aguerd, Diop, Anguissa, Cornet
There’s some real top talent in that league.
The list goes on with players who have played champ level and gone on to be top players as does the list on French league
Tbf that diallo seems to have been linked to a number of different prem clubs it’s that time of year
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Grealish was playing PL football before the championship.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:36 amThe championship produced 100mil jack grealish
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league
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Well you were using the leagues the players were playing in as an argument to how good they may or may not be. So for context, I used the same theory for when we were signing players from the Belgian leagues.123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:39 amBelgian league is not better than the championship no, but don’t see what the Belgian league has to do with the French league, we are yet to see if the players we signed from the Belgian league can make the step up to the prem
Take benson for example. You wouldn’t find many clarets putting money on him not making the step up, but had we had been signing him this summer we would be having the same conversation. In short, the league a player plays in does not determine his ability.
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The sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.
Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).
Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).
Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
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The league that someone is playing in is not a direct indicator of their ability. I’ve no idea if Diallo is better than Gyokeres, but the fact that one currently plays in Ligue 1 and the other in the Championship is totally irrelevant to their abilities.
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Benson is an excellent example, because when he'd only had a couple of games with us you were perfectly entitled to wonder if he could make it over heregandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:01 pmWell you were using the leagues the players were playing in as an argument to how good they may or may not be. So for context, I used the same theory for when we were signing players from the Belgian leagues.
Take benson for example. You wouldn’t find many clarets putting money on him not making the step up, but had we had been signing him this summer we would be having the same conversation. In short, the league a player plays in does not determine his ability.
But after games, and getting used to it, he's been unplayable at this level
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You are reminding me of the fans of other clubs who turned their noses up at the prospect of Burnley playing in the Premier League.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 amYes did you not?
Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
As with our time there, Luton have earned it. A stubborn, difficult to play against, up-and-at-them team. I admire them. It gives hope to supporters of similarly sized clubs.
I don't get the snobbery.
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We are 100% an easy club to link players tojedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 pmThe sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.
Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).
Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
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No snobbery at all.Zom Zom wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:21 pmYou are reminding me of the fans of other clubs who turned their noses up at the prospect of Burnley playing in the Premier League.
As with our time there, Luton have earned it. A stubborn, difficult to play against, up-and-at-them team. I admire them. It gives hope to supporters of similarly sized clubs.
I don't get the snobbery.
I’m glad they are promoted. But it doesn’t negate from the fact that them being promoted shows how poor the league was this year.
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Not really, they were better than last year when they also finished in the play offs. Incidentally the team who finished 3rd that season (Huddersfield) were almost relegated this season! Forest, who just about won the play offs, had to spend 180m on an entire new squad when promoted. Must have been the worst ever Championship season that one.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:34 pmNo snobbery at all.
I’m glad they are promoted. But it doesn’t negate from the fact that them being promoted shows how poor the league was this year.
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The championship is very weak, attending games & watching on the television there’s no advantage in assessing a players credentials either way, whatever happens whether you are there or thousands of miles away remains the same, it’s exactly the same version if you are watching a live game. If a player tackles another player or scores a set piece goal or whatever happens throughout the match it doesn’t magically differ via another medium.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 amYes did you not?
Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
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Didn't realize that CJ Egan-riley was hurt..
i thought he would be closer to the first team and the injury is going to set him back.
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... an-4167612
i thought he would be closer to the first team and the injury is going to set him back.
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... an-4167612
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Re:Championship debate.
It was pants. We were the best by a country mile in a development year.
The play-offs showed just how poor a division it was and fiddlers finished 7th.
It was pants. We were the best by a country mile in a development year.
The play-offs showed just how poor a division it was and fiddlers finished 7th.
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He’s in the last year of his contract and I can’t see a champ club paying as much as we’d be able to.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pmChelsea are under no pressure for Maatsen. If we don’t take him a top end Championship side will. He’d probably get them up also.
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I think Chelsea will be selling a bunch of their players. Mount is practically gone. Maatsen would seem to be a no-brainer for them: he's not uprooting Cucurella or Chilwell in the pecking order. Another team will easily snatch him up.Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pmChelsea are under no pressure for Maatsen. If we don’t take him a top end Championship side will. He’d probably get them up also.
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Maybe this is because we’re ‘glitzy’ now?jedi_master wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 pmThe sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.
Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).
Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
But I suspect more likely that we’ve changed our strategy to focus on a range of targets. Which is great because it means we can use our reported interest in other players to get good deals.
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Ridiculous to suggest Luton are pure crap.
I bet they win a few games with their playing style.
I also don’t buy the ‘Championship is worse than ever’ argument by the glass half full types on here to diminish our astonishing achievement…
… Why did Norwich who walked the league two years before finish, erm 13th with Watford also having been relegated finish 12th, with a squad still full of PL talent
Surely if it was as bad as some folk make out they’d both have been challenging at the top of the table?
I bet they win a few games with their playing style.
I also don’t buy the ‘Championship is worse than ever’ argument by the glass half full types on here to diminish our astonishing achievement…
… Why did Norwich who walked the league two years before finish, erm 13th with Watford also having been relegated finish 12th, with a squad still full of PL talent
Surely if it was as bad as some folk make out they’d both have been challenging at the top of the table?
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I’m sick of reading about Maatsen by people who know nothing.
Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product
HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.
like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.
Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM
He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product
HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.
like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.
Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM
He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
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Guess it depends how many they can offload and at what price. I can see all three of them being in some financial difficulties if they don’t severely cut their wage bills, albeit all have saleable assets.
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I don't think Luton are pure crap and I suspect they'll surprise a few like we did under Coyle.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:40 pmRidiculous to suggest Luton are pure crap.
I bet they win a few games with their playing style.
I also don’t buy the ‘Championship is worse than ever’ argument by the glass half full types on here to diminish our astonishing achievement…
… Why did Norwich who walked the league two years before finish, erm 13th with Watford also having been relegated finish 12th, with a squad still full of PL talent
Surely if it was as bad as some folk make out they’d both have been challenging at the top of the table?
That being said I do think the Championship has seemed quite poor this year apart from the top 2 clubs and the table can be interpreted that way. It must be a near record low for points required to get in the play offs. Those teams you've mentioned had bad seasons which contributed to the lack of overall quality, but it probably also helped it be more competitive for those teams in and around the play offs.
It's just my opinion and it's probably skewed by how well we did but I do feel we played a lot of poor sides this year- Huddersfield for example who remain in the league.
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A few stories on Twitter that Maatsen is up for sale at Chelsea and that we’ve been talking to them. Maatsens agent speaking to other clubs as well. No idea (as ever) how accurate any of that actually is.
Desperately hope we manage to bring him in.
Desperately hope we manage to bring him in.