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Post by ervi34 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:35 am

When I've seen Nixon's twitter headline I thought we're in for Amad Diallo. Didn't hear much about the Strasbourgh one but 20 million is a huge amount of money.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am

I suspect it’s just a matter of time till we sign Gomez.

It makes the most sense that he is one of our loans

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am

Targetman wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:08 am
Did you attend any of our games last season?
Yes did you not?

Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.

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Post by taio » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:42 am

It tells me that Luton had a brilliant season, went up on merit and played well almost every time I saw them. I don't like people forming a view based on the perceived club size which is what you've just done.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:44 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:42 am
It tells me that Luton had a brilliant season, went up on merit and played well almost every time I saw them. I don't like people forming a view based on the perceived club size which is what you've just done.
Nothing to do with the size of the club.

Look at the players they have. If they are the third best team in the championship it really doesn’t say a lot about the quality of the league. I would argue there’s not a single player they have that starts in the prem for any other prem side.

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Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am
Yes did you not?

Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
Is that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?

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Post by daveisaclaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:48 am

How on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season

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Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am
Is that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?
Not that it matters, but you saw a very different game at Luton than I did.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 am

Big Vinny K wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am
Is that the same Luton who drew with us at home and who should have beat us at their place when we were very fortunate to win the game with the late penalty ?
Not sure what your point is?

It’s been pretty well acknowledged that the league was **** poor this year and I think Luton being promoted is a perfect indicator of that.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:48 am
How on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season
I agree be amazed if they finish anything but 20th

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Post by taio » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:53 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:48 am
How on earth can it be controversial to suggest Luton are ****? They'll get about 18 points next season
That may be so but the comments were about the Championship not the PL

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:55 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:53 am
That may be so but the comments were about the Championship not the PL
Isn’t that contradictory?

Surely if the third best championship team only gets 18 points it shows the rest of the league is crap

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Post by daveisaclaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:56 am

taio wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:53 am
That may be so but the comments were about the Championship not the PL
Do you not see what the link is between the third best team in the Championship being **** is and the Championship being full of **** teams?

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Post by clarethomer » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:56 am

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... en-4168775


If you can be bothered to navigate their website; a useful summary of our links to players so far.

I know some can’t be bothered trawling the pages of discussion so may be worth it for those who are in that boat.

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Post by taio » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:57 am

daveisaclaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:56 am
Do you not see what the link is between the third best team in the Championship being **** is and the Championship being full of **** teams?
Nothing new.

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Post by Jakubs Tash » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am
I suspect it’s just a matter of time till we sign Gomez.

It makes the most sense that he is one of our loans
It actually makes zero sense that he is one of our loans should we sign him.

We can afford him. Loans would be better being players we can’t really afford permanently.

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Post by taio » Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:58 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:55 am
Isn’t that contradictory?

Surely if the third best championship team only gets 18 points it shows the rest of the league is crap
What's with the 18 points?

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:02 am

Jakubs Tash wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:58 am
It actually makes zero sense that he is one of our loans should we sign him.

We can afford him. Loans would be better being players we can’t really afford permanently.
Fair point,

I just suspected he might be out of reach financially

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:24 am

City would be happy with recouping the £10m outlay for Gomez . Not sure on his wages. Also could this be a ploy to drive down Maatsens price tag?

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 am
Not sure what your point is?

It’s been pretty well acknowledged that the league was **** poor this year and I think Luton being promoted is a perfect indicator of that.
Genuine question: prior to our relegation, didn’t you used to say the that the standard of then Championship was really high and that we’d struggle to get out of it?

Or am I thinking of someone else? 🤔🤔

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Post by Big Vinny K » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:30 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:51 am
Not that it matters, but you saw a very different game at Luton than I did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64606746

And maybe you saw a pretty different game than VK.
The stats of the game suggest you did to.
Luton were a very difficult team to play against and we struggled with their height and forwards.
Like you say it’s not a big issue but thought they had a very good and consistent season

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Post by Hedontplayforyou » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:31 am

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:36 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:12 am
I reckon the French league has produced more top players for the Premier league, than the championship.
The championship produced 100mil jack grealish
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:39 am

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:56 am
How much better were the Belgian leagues than the championship? If at all?
Belgian league is not better than the championship no, but don’t see what the Belgian league has to do with the French league, we are yet to see if the players we signed from the Belgian league can make the step up to the prem

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:43 am

Hedontplayforyou wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:24 am
City would be happy with recouping the £10m outlay for Gomez . Not sure on his wages. Also could this be a ploy to drive down Maatsens price tag?
These figures are often heavily performance related, which may not have been triggered. Or at least any personal elements wouldn’t have, if they were based on team success City will have a large bill, but my point is it mightn’t be the full £10m needed for City to recoup. Good thing is, VK will know all the details.

I think we need two LBs if Charlie isn’t favoured.

Would love to get Gomez done early and put Chelsea under a bit of pressure re: Maatsen.

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:50 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:36 am
The championship produced 100mil jack grealish
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league
Tbf Grealish had already played two full seasons at premier league level before dropping to the championship.

For context the following players all came from Ligue 1:

Hazard, Cech, Essien, Kante, Evra, Drogba, Bernardo Silva, Martial, Fabinho.

Taking out transfers that went to elite premier league clubs, some of the more recent French transfers:

Guimaries, Paqueta, Fofana, Botman, Aguerd, Diop, Anguissa, Cornet


There’s some real top talent in that league.

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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:53 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:50 am
Tbf Grealish had already played two full seasons at premier league level before dropping to the championship.

For context the following players all came from Ligue 1:

Hazard, Cech, Essien, Kante, Evra, Drogba, Bernardo Silva, Martial, Fabinho.

Taking out transfers that went to elite premier league clubs, some of the more recent French transfers:

Guimaries, Paqueta, Fofana, Botman, Aguerd, Diop, Anguissa, Cornet


There’s some real top talent in that league.
Top talent in majority of leagues across Europe but in my opinion the championship is a tougher and harder league than the ligue 1

The list goes on with players who have played champ level and gone on to be top players as does the list on French league

Tbf that diallo seems to have been linked to a number of different prem clubs it’s that time of year

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:58 am

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:36 am
The championship produced 100mil jack grealish
Likes of Eze, olise, Watkins, Toney all made their names in the championship
Imo I would rather spend 15-20mil on Gyokeres due to his champ record than someone from the French, Belgium or whichever league
Grealish was playing PL football before the championship.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:01 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:39 am
Belgian league is not better than the championship no, but don’t see what the Belgian league has to do with the French league, we are yet to see if the players we signed from the Belgian league can make the step up to the prem
Well you were using the leagues the players were playing in as an argument to how good they may or may not be. So for context, I used the same theory for when we were signing players from the Belgian leagues.

Take benson for example. You wouldn’t find many clarets putting money on him not making the step up, but had we had been signing him this summer we would be having the same conversation. In short, the league a player plays in does not determine his ability.

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Post by jedi_master » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 pm

The sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.

Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).

Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.

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Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:11 pm

The league that someone is playing in is not a direct indicator of their ability. I’ve no idea if Diallo is better than Gyokeres, but the fact that one currently plays in Ligue 1 and the other in the Championship is totally irrelevant to their abilities.

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Post by Lancasterclaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:15 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:01 pm
Well you were using the leagues the players were playing in as an argument to how good they may or may not be. So for context, I used the same theory for when we were signing players from the Belgian leagues.

Take benson for example. You wouldn’t find many clarets putting money on him not making the step up, but had we had been signing him this summer we would be having the same conversation. In short, the league a player plays in does not determine his ability.
Benson is an excellent example, because when he'd only had a couple of games with us you were perfectly entitled to wonder if he could make it over here

But after games, and getting used to it, he's been unplayable at this level

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Post by Zom Zom » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:21 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am
Yes did you not?

Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
You are reminding me of the fans of other clubs who turned their noses up at the prospect of Burnley playing in the Premier League.
As with our time there, Luton have earned it. A stubborn, difficult to play against, up-and-at-them team. I admire them. It gives hope to supporters of similarly sized clubs.

I don't get the snobbery.
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Post by 123EasyasBFC » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:26 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 pm
The sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.

Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).

Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
We are 100% an easy club to link players to

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Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:34 pm

Zom Zom wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:21 pm
You are reminding me of the fans of other clubs who turned their noses up at the prospect of Burnley playing in the Premier League.
As with our time there, Luton have earned it. A stubborn, difficult to play against, up-and-at-them team. I admire them. It gives hope to supporters of similarly sized clubs.

I don't get the snobbery.
No snobbery at all.

I’m glad they are promoted. But it doesn’t negate from the fact that them being promoted shows how poor the league was this year.

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Post by RVclaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:34 pm
No snobbery at all.

I’m glad they are promoted. But it doesn’t negate from the fact that them being promoted shows how poor the league was this year.
Not really, they were better than last year when they also finished in the play offs. Incidentally the team who finished 3rd that season (Huddersfield) were almost relegated this season! Forest, who just about won the play offs, had to spend 180m on an entire new squad when promoted. Must have been the worst ever Championship season that one.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:37 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:38 am
Yes did you not?

Luton got promoted. That tells you everything you need to know about the championship.
The championship is very weak, attending games & watching on the television there’s no advantage in assessing a players credentials either way, whatever happens whether you are there or thousands of miles away remains the same, it’s exactly the same version if you are watching a live game. If a player tackles another player or scores a set piece goal or whatever happens throughout the match it doesn’t magically differ via another medium.

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Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:11 pm

Didn't realize that CJ Egan-riley was hurt..
i thought he would be closer to the first team and the injury is going to set him back.



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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:43 am
Would love to get Gomez done early and put Chelsea under a bit of pressure re: Maatsen.
Chelsea are under no pressure for Maatsen. If we don’t take him a top end Championship side will. He’d probably get them up also.

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Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:28 pm

Re:Championship debate.
It was pants. We were the best by a country mile in a development year.
The play-offs showed just how poor a division it was and fiddlers finished 7th.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:29 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pm
Chelsea are under no pressure for Maatsen. If we don’t take him a top end Championship side will. He’d probably get them up also.
He’s in the last year of his contract and I can’t see a champ club paying as much as we’d be able to.

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Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:33 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:26 pm
Chelsea are under no pressure for Maatsen. If we don’t take him a top end Championship side will. He’d probably get them up also.
I think Chelsea will be selling a bunch of their players. Mount is practically gone. Maatsen would seem to be a no-brainer for them: he's not uprooting Cucurella or Chilwell in the pecking order. Another team will easily snatch him up.

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Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:35 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 pm
The sheer volume of links implies that either we are an easy club to link players to now, or that we seemingly have a lot more money to spend than I think anyone expected us to.

Gomez seemed an obvious link to us this summer, same as Lokonga in that respect. It might well be a case of Nixon chancing his arm with the story but you’d expect he’s possibly all our fallback if Maatsen is too expensive (or he may even be Kompany’s first choice).

Going to be a very interesting summer, that’s for sure.
Maybe this is because we’re ‘glitzy’ now? :lol:

But I suspect more likely that we’ve changed our strategy to focus on a range of targets. Which is great because it means we can use our reported interest in other players to get good deals.

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Post by CoolClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:40 pm

Ridiculous to suggest Luton are pure crap.

I bet they win a few games with their playing style.

I also don’t buy the ‘Championship is worse than ever’ argument by the glass half full types on here to diminish our astonishing achievement…

… Why did Norwich who walked the league two years before finish, erm 13th with Watford also having been relegated finish 12th, with a squad still full of PL talent

Surely if it was as bad as some folk make out they’d both have been challenging at the top of the table?
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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:41 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:29 pm
He’s in the last year of his contract and I can’t see a champ club paying as much as we’d be able to.
Leeds
Southampton
Leicester

Just to name 3 that could

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by KRBFC » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:44 pm

I’m sick of reading about Maatsen by people who know nothing.

Lesson number 1: young kids from the academy aren’t the finished product

HE’S JUST TURNED 21 YEARS OLD, OF COURSE HE’S GOING TO HAVE AREAS OF HIS GAME TO WORK ON.

like seriously, how uneducated do you have to be? Dutch u21 international, at the best Academy in world football, contributed massively to our promotion and still the same folk keep banging the same “he’s not the best ever defensively”.


Lesson number 2: THERE ARE ROLES WITHIN A TEAM

He wasn’t even in the fking team to primarily defend, he was the highest widest player for the majority of the season until he was reigned in a little for Roberts to be freed up.
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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:46 pm

AGENT_CLARET wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:41 pm
Leeds
Southampton
Leicester

Just to name 3 that could
Guess it depends how many they can offload and at what price. I can see all three of them being in some financial difficulties if they don’t severely cut their wage bills, albeit all have saleable assets.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by boyyanno » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:06 pm

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Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:40 pm
Ridiculous to suggest Luton are pure crap.

I bet they win a few games with their playing style.

I also don’t buy the ‘Championship is worse than ever’ argument by the glass half full types on here to diminish our astonishing achievement…

… Why did Norwich who walked the league two years before finish, erm 13th with Watford also having been relegated finish 12th, with a squad still full of PL talent

Surely if it was as bad as some folk make out they’d both have been challenging at the top of the table?
I don't think Luton are pure crap and I suspect they'll surprise a few like we did under Coyle.

That being said I do think the Championship has seemed quite poor this year apart from the top 2 clubs and the table can be interpreted that way. It must be a near record low for points required to get in the play offs. Those teams you've mentioned had bad seasons which contributed to the lack of overall quality, but it probably also helped it be more competitive for those teams in and around the play offs.

It's just my opinion and it's probably skewed by how well we did but I do feel we played a lot of poor sides this year- Huddersfield for example who remain in the league.

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Re: Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Post by jedi_master » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:08 pm

A few stories on Twitter that Maatsen is up for sale at Chelsea and that we’ve been talking to them. Maatsens agent speaking to other clubs as well. No idea (as ever) how accurate any of that actually is.

Desperately hope we manage to bring him in.

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