Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:09 pm

I go with the manager and back all Clarets but this lad had as many poor games as good ones. At his best he was excellent but too many matches he was dire.

Absolute mince.

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:09 pm

I go with the manager and back all Clarets but this lad had as many poor games as good ones. At his best he was excellent but too many matches he was dire.

that's on the manager

I enjoy posts like these about Maatsen.

Do point us out a viable alternative please.

So the rumours thread is now let's slag of a player thread.FFS.

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:06 pm

So the rumours thread is now let's slag of a player thread.FFS.

I love this forum but I'm getting sick of people slagging player's who have given everything to get us promoted.

Maatsen had a superb season. Granted he probably would have struggled in a Dyche back four but his dynamism and skill gave us a real edge. He has a great future hopefully with us

Carwin261 wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:18 pm

Don’t know how we got promoted if he was that bad.

Because we didn't play with just one player on the pitch

Walkerpool wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:10 pm

I love this forum but I'm getting sick of people slagging player's who have given everything to get us promoted.

No, you're sick of people with different views and opinions to you're own

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:12 pm

No, you're sick of people with different views and opinions to you're own

How can you use ‘you’re’ twice in the same sentence and get it wrong once.

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:06 pm

Because we didn't play with just one player on the pitch

I think you know more about being a dog warden than football

I don't even think people know what they're watching in front of them.

The amount of defence splitting passes Maatsen does a game that completely carves a team open is staggering

He also defends more 1vs1 in open space compared to his predecessors

Wonderful talent; we should be doing all that we can to sign him permanently

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:34 pm

I don't even think people know what they're watching in front of them.

The amount of defence splitting passes Maatsen does a game that completely carves a team open is staggering

He also defends more 1vs1 in open space compared to his predecessors

Wonderful talent; we should be doing all that we can to sign him permanently

He's also been doing the inverted defender position everyone has been raving about Stones doing recently.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:34 pm

I don't even think people know what they're watching in front of them.

The amount of defence splitting passes Maatsen does a game that completely carves a team open is staggering

He also defends more 1vs1 in open space compared to his predecessors

Wonderful talent; we should be doing all that we can to sign him permanently

Spot on with this post.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:34 pm

I don't even think people know what they're watching in front of them.

The amount of defence splitting passes Maatsen does a game that completely carves a team open is staggering

He also defends more 1vs1 in open space compared to his predecessors

Wonderful talent; we should be doing all that we can to sign him permanently

Of course they don’t know what they’re watching. They were slagging pace off last year.

Pickles wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 5:37 pm

He's also been doing the inverted defender position everyone has been raving about Stones doing recently.

If you think Stones and Maatsen are playing the same roles you don't know what your analysing

BigGaz wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 4:04 pm

I enjoy posts like these about Maatsen.

Do point us out a viable alternative please.

That's the managers job, would any of use suggested many of the players we brought in last season?

We aren't perfect and can improve and left back is an area we can improve

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:01 pm

If you think Stones and Maatsen are playing the same roles you don't know what your analysing

Very similar. Maatsen and Roberts tucked in from full back to midfield. Stones has been playing right back or centre half and then tucking in to midfield.

Those criticising Maatsen should be made to watch a mark winstanley 'highlights' reel on a continuous loop.

Maatsen is already a very very accomplished player and with the potential he still harbours I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't spend the bulk of his career at premier league level.

The frailties in his defending can be improved and coached as he is an intelligent footballer. I saw his defending improve up until the last 3 to 4 games. One of the problems he has is his spacial awareness ie when him and the player he is marking are in open space and the opposition try to find this player with an aerial ball. Having said this his attacking play more than makes up for it, giving us a very much overall gain. Some of his assists, passing and goals have been sensational and he has genuine pace too.His goal at QPR when he hit it first time from the goal keepers parry, was the quality of a talented striker-no hesitation from him when he struck it. Would love to see him leave Chelsea and join us

Pickles wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:06 pm

Very similar. Maatsen and Roberts tucked in from full back to midfield. Stones has been playing right back or centre half and then tucking in to midfield.

Roberts and Maatsen are playing as inverted full backs, what John Stones did today wasn't an inverted full back.
I don't even think there's a name for the role he's currently playing.
When he plays full back it's similar but today and the last few matches haven't been from full back

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:21 pm

Roberts and Maatsen are playing as inverted full backs, what John Stones did today wasn't an inverted full back.
I don't even think there's a name for the role he's currently playing.
When he plays full back it's similar but today and the last few matches haven't been from full back

I never said John Stones played as an inverted full back today. I haven't said anything about what position John Stones played today. What I am saying is that Roberts, Maatsen and Stones have all played a similar role at times this season. The principal being that a defender comes inside to increase numbers in midfield. Relating back to the discussion re Maatsen - he's been very good at that.

Pickles wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:28 pm

I never said John Stones played as an inverted full back today. I haven't said anything about what position John Stones played today. What I am saying is that Roberts, Maatsen and Stones have all played a similar role at times this season. The principal being that a defender comes inside to increase numbers in midfield. Relating back to the discussion re Maatsen - he's been very good at that.

He's been very good when attacking, when he's come in to central midfield he's been quite sloppy and weak

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:09 pm

I go with the manager and back all Clarets but this lad had as many poor games as good ones. At his best he was excellent but too many matches he was dire.

In my time as a Burnley fan, 56 years and counting, I have seen many players wear our shirt whom I would describe as dire...
Ian Maatsen certainly does not fit that description

If he doesn't rejoin us it will be to someone else's benefit and our loss which would be a great pity.

Eden Hazard released by Real.

Get on that blower VK

Apparently we are keen, along with West Ham, on Habib Diallo from Strasbourg, though they might ask for £20m. VK went to watch him recently. That’s if we miss out on Gyokeres.

Also BPF back to Sheff Weds could be on the cards and we want 2 new keepers, one being Ipswich’s Vaclav Hladky (was impressed with him when we played them).

bumba wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:21 pm

Roberts and Maatsen are playing as inverted full backs, what John Stones did today wasn't an inverted full back.
I don't even think there's a name for the role he's currently playing.
When he plays full back it's similar but today and the last few matches haven't been from full back

False 4?

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:13 am

Apparently we are keen, along with West Ham, on Habib Diallo from Strasbourg, though they might ask for £20m. VK went to watch him recently. That’s if we miss out on Gyokeres.

Also BPF back to Sheff Weds could be on the cards and we want 2 new keepers, one being Ipswich’s Vaclav Hladky (was impressed with him when we played them).

I quite like the Rotherham keeper Johansson so I hope he's one of the two keepers wanted, I can't see BPF going to Sheffield Wednesday their fan's didn't like him towards the end of the season and were glad they didn't try to sign him permanently

I really don’t want Gykores. That Diallo is one of the top scorers in France ain’t he? I’d prefer him.

Stevie Morgan wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:20 am

False 4?

Apparently, "hybrid" is the in word for the role that Stones plays - they used it a few times yesterday

It's the future

DL have short-listed JDT according to Football Insider. Great news for the thousands of fiddlers who hurled abuse at him most of the season for performing miracles with their dog sh1t side.

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:43 am

Apparently, "hybrid" is the in word for the role that Stones plays - they used it a few times yesterday

It's the future

I thought garlicbrid was the future.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:28 am

I really don’t want Gykores. That Diallo is one of the top scorers in France ain’t he? I’d prefer him.

How much better do you think the French league is than the championship, if it’s better at all?

AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:24 am

I quite like the Rotherham keeper Johansson so I hope he's one of the two keepers wanted, I can't see BPF going to Sheffield Wednesday their fan's didn't like him towards the end of the season and were glad they didn't try to sign him permanently

Johansson can’t kick so that’s non starter

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:27 am

Johansson can’t kick so that’s non starter

Pity because he's the best keeper in the championship

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:23 am

How much better do you think the French league is than the championship, if it’s better at all?

Ligue 1 is miles better than the championship. Not even remotely close.

Did you see the garbage we played this season

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:31 am

Ligue 1 is miles better than the championship. Not even remotely close.

Did you see the garbage we played this season

Wouldn’t say it’s miles better or even better, minus 2 or 3 teams that league is absolute pony

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:33 am

Wouldn’t say it’s miles better or even better, minus 2 or 3 teams that league is absolute pony

I mean the championship has literally two teams.

The rest were all dog Shite.

Ligue 1 has three teams that compete with top prem teams. Then 5-6 that are are decent European outfits. It’s not close imho

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:23 am

How much better do you think the French league is than the championship, if it’s better at all?

How much better were the Belgian leagues than the championship? If at all?

Enough of this and back to the topic - summer transfers. The Mirror is headlining that the BBC is lining up for a move for ITV's Holly Willoughby.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:31 am

Ligue 1 is miles better than the championship. Not even remotely close.

Did you see the garbage we played this season

Did you attend any of our games last season?

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:23 am

How much better do you think the French league is than the championship, if it’s better at all?

I reckon the French league has produced more top players for the Premier league, than the championship.

Not seen it posted yet but City reported to be after Guerreiro on a free from Dortmund with us then set to sign their left back Sergio Gomez, another who played under VK at Anderlecht

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:37 am

I mean the championship has literally two teams.

The rest were all dog Shite.

Ligue 1 has three teams that compete with top prem teams. Then 5-6 that are are decent European outfits. It’s not close imho

This is the trap a lot of people in this country get sucked in to. They believe in the ‘best league in the world’ and there’s a lot of English snobbery on the rest of Europe. Most top leagues in Europe have an absolute top quality team, that then gives the illusion that the rest of the league is poor, which isn’t the case at all. It’s just that the top team are absolute top quality. It’s even happening in this country with City. France has PSG, Spain you have Barca, real. Germany you have Bayern etc…

The likes of Lyon, Nice, Marseille, Monaco, lens, Lille would easily hold their own in the PL.

The likes of Sevilla did the double over United this season after having a poor season in La Liga by their standards and United finished 3rd.

Anyway, back to transfers. I would like Diallo over Gykores if I had the choice.

ClaretFelix wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:16 am

Not seen it posted yet but City reported to be after Guerreiro on a free from Dortmund with us then set to sign their left back Sergio Gomez, another who played under VK at Anderlecht

Wheee have you seen this?

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:21 am

Wheee have you seen this?

It's in The Sun.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:21 am

Wheee have you seen this?

This I’ve got to see.

Can you put up the link

I know he’s old ,but Ibrahimovic’s is free ,be entertaining if nothing else.