fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:11 am

If Chelsea thought he was that good they'd play him.

Who would they play him instead of? The left back they paid £45m for or the one they bought for £60m?

We have to be sensible and not be paying over the odds personally i wouldn't go more than 10 million as he hasn't played in the Premier league and is defending wasn't great but improved as season went on , but Vincent isn't silly and won't bet the ranch but i hope he as alternatives because we need players in soon to get up to speed.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:11 am

If Chelsea thought he was that good they'd play him.

Tell that to the likes of Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah.

I think there is clearly a deal there for both players I wonder if we are just haggling over the structure of the deal rather than the final fee maybe we need to up the initial payments and guaranteed add ons! neither are worth 20 million though.

trawlen wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:36 am

So imagine we spend 40m on Tella and Maatsen... Doesn't feel like we'd have much left to spend. Maybe 20m?

This was always going to be the problem with Beyer, Maatsen and Tella, if we wanted to sign them permanently we'd be spending £40million plus, just to stand still.

Much rather get mikatuadze (sp?) and Gomez for a combined less fee

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:39 pm

Much rather get mikatuadze (sp?) and Gomez for a combined less fee

Gomez doubtful...the full back city were rumoured with is going to munich

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:43 pm

Gomez doubtful...the full back city were rumoured with is going to munich

City will have about 17 backups in place don't worry

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:43 pm

Gomez doubtful...the full back city were rumoured with is going to munich

Aarrrghhh, that’s annoying.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:50 pm

Aarrrghhh, that’s annoying.

Annoying if true. I can't find anything about it.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:43 pm

Gomez doubtful...the full back city were rumoured with is going to munich

The Turkish journo who tweets 6389363935 times a day the one saying he’s going to Bayern?

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:00 pm

The Turkish journo who tweets 6389363935 times a day the one saying he’s going to Bayern?

If he's Konur...yes, if not,no

Firstly, I’m really shocked by the kitty Kompany SEEMS to have, worth saying that before pure speculation…

I must be in the minority, but if we can sign Tella and Maatsen for a combined total fee in the region of £35m I’d be delighted (I.e, £17.5m a piece).

I have no idea how much we have to spend in the slightest, but we appear to have a sizeable budget on the basis of alleged bids made and interest being shown (and that’s before potential sales, I.e, possibly Weghorst, Taylor, Bastien, McNally etc?).

On the balance of probabilities, based on track record of sources involved and our historical interest in the player - you’d suspect our top targets seem to be:

CB - Beyer (signed)
LB - Maatsen
CM - Lokonga
AM - Tresor
RW/ST - Tella

Hypothetically, if we were to spend £55m on Maatsen, Tresor and Tella (massively incentivised as well) and loan Lokonga with an option to buy, I’d be delighted. I’d still say we were after another striker following that as a certainty (Mikautadze or Gyokeres one would assume), but again, without knowing the budget who is to say.

We need 6 signings as a minimum. And I think we'll get them.

Agree with that Jedi although I honestly think in addition to that, we will sign a CB and a new GK.

Verbuggen
The French cb who’s name I can’t remember
Maatsen
Lokonga
Tresor
Tella
Mikatuadze/Diallo

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:28 pm

Agree with that Jedi although I honestly think in addition to that, we will sign a CB and a new GK.

Verbuggen
The French cb who’s name I can’t remember
Maatsen
Lokonga
Tresor
Tella
Mikatuadze/Diallo

Yeah I imagine another CB is likely - every chance it could be Harwood-Bellis on a loan to spend the dough elsewhere possibly? I think with the success of our loans last season I can definitely see another 3-4 coming in (I think we’re allowed two from PL clubs, possibly Lokonga and THB).

according to @Ekremkonur both Brighton and Newcastle are 'monitoring' Trésor

Ekrem is a repeater / makes stuff up. Knows zilch.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:28 pm

Agree with that Jedi although I honestly think in addition to that, we will sign a CB and a new GK.

Verbuggen
The French cb who’s name I can’t remember
Maatsen
Lokonga
Tresor
Tella
Mikatuadze/Diallo

That’s about £130 million.

Minimum.

Socrates wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:26 pm

That’s about £130 million.

Minimum.

We'll spend near 100 mil this season.

Socrates wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:26 pm

That’s about £130 million.

Minimum.

Add the sales/wages saved of Weghorst, Taylor, Jay, bastien, churlinov and it wouldn’t be 120 net

There’s quite a bit of Football Manager logic goes into the discussions around players, fees and budgets on here.

Firstly people tend to accept any fee/value cited by the media as gospel. Secondly they seem to take no account of the value of our current manager’s opinion of the player. Finally the cheaper alternatives they suggest are often players they’ve barely seen with their own eyes and (if they have) take little account of where they’ve been playing their football or their suitability to how we play.

If VK thinks Ian Maatsen or Nathan Tella are worth the minimum Chelsea and Southampton want for them, then in my view he’s earned the right to he trusted so long as those sums are within the limits of our budget.

Gonzalo Plata, Real Valladolid winger linked

clarets12 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:28 pm

We'll spend near 100 mil this season.

Right?

You know there’s a massive difference between near £100 million and £130 million, don’t you?

This is real actual money. Not play stuff.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:45 pm

Gonzalo Plata, Real Valladolid winger linked

This lad is another wonderkid. I honestly don't think I have ever been as excited for a transfer window as I have for this one, we've been linked with the kind of players I never thought I'd see at Burnley.

Socrates wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:26 pm

That’s about £130 million.

Minimum.

That wouldn’t necessarily be a problem as these are young and would retain their value if relegated, deals could be structured in various ways to make that affordable within our cash flow parameters, including loans with an option to buy or loans with a mandatory buy.

The real issue is risk and assessment of it. Obviously we have a very different club now in that sense compared to previous owners.

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:50 pm

There’s quite a bit of Football Manager logic goes into the discussions around players, fees and budgets on here.

Firstly people tend to accept any fee/value cited by the media as gospel. Secondly they seem to take no account of the value of our current manager’s opinion of the player. Finally the cheaper alternatives they suggest are often players they’ve barely seen with their own eyes and (if they have) take little account of where they’ve been playing their football or their suitability to how we play.

If VK thinks Ian Maatsen or Nathan Tella are worth the minimum Chelsea and Southampton want for them, then in my view he’s earned the right to he trusted so long as those sums are within the limits of our budget.

The last line or so are crucial there though AG. Intriguing and quite exciting though the links at the beginning of this window are, the level of ambition involved is also a bit unsettling. Whilst Ive generally taken the view that we should bit braver when it comes to transfer fees as you are buying assets, even that is a principle which has to meet with the realities of the risk the club can sustain. And more caution is needed with wages. Its only paper talk but some of the names/transfer fees (which tend to correlate to wages) are a little wild. I'm hoping that in trying to accommodate VK's ambitions, we don't go too far. Three clubs still have to go down.

Socrates wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:58 pm

Right?

You know there’s a massive difference between near £100 million and £130 million, don’t you?

This is real actual money. Not play stuff.

Who said anything about 'play stuff' ?

And why be so defensive?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:07 pm

That wouldn’t necessarily be a problem as these are young and would retain their value if relegated, deals could be structured in various ways to make that affordable within our cash flow parameters, including loans with an option to buy or loans with a mandatory buy.

The real issue is risk and assessment of it. Obviously we have a very different club now in that sense compared to previous owners.

Rephrased what i said so of course I agree

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 2:34 pm

according to @Ekremkonur both Brighton and Newcastle are 'monitoring' Trésor

The thing is with these headlines is that half the clubs in Europe are probably 'monitoring' his situation. I'm monitoring his situation. Doesn't mean I'm going to sign him.

Football Fancast suggesting £2M for Lyndon Dykes as our target "focal point".

Hopefully nothing but a rumour1

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:11 pm

Football Fancast suggesting £2M for Lyndon Dykes as our target "focal point".

Hopefully nothing but a rumour1

As a squad member, decent

clarets12 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:29 pm

As a squad member, decent

Could be the new Jutkiewicz

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:11 pm

Football Fancast suggesting £2M for Lyndon Dykes as our target "focal point".

Hopefully nothing but a rumour1

No chance I’d have thought.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:45 pm

Gonzalo Plata, Real Valladolid winger linked

With Newcastle and Leeds too

Would imagine it would be either Clarke or Tresor we sign as competition for zaroury, rather than signing both

Dykes could be a decent squad player.

Is this non scoring striker Dykes.? We have one already he's called Wout

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:40 pm

Is this non scoring striker Dykes.? We have one already he's called Wout

A goal for Scotland every 3.5 games.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:59 pm

A goal for Scotland every 3.5 games.

And a decent performance for Scotland about every eight.

Tresor looks very good on his youtube video.

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:26 pm

Dykes could be a decent squad player.

You’re right, for a championship side - not Burnley

Blimey all these £millions and £millions plus 40k to 60 k a week wages....keep grounded.
Spend tight on good upcoming players and don't break the bank!
As Dave Thomas says .. We're Burnley not Barcelona.

Enola Gay wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:03 pm

And a decent performance for Scotland about every eight.

Is that guesswork?

Enola Gay wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:03 pm

And a decent performance for Scotland about every eight.

Iwelumo-esque

Need to be aware of payment terms and the accounting side of all this.

Maatsen at £20m if spread over a decent contract and with a portion of it based on surviving / plays for country / plays in Europe and it’s a no brainer.

If he has 1 good PL season he’s immediately worth £30/40m when you consider what we sold the likes of McNeil / Collins for.


We aren’t buying depreciating assets anymore

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:26 pm

Dykes could be a decent squad player.

Would he even be an improvement on Barnes? I doubt it.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:46 pm

Would he even be an improvement on Barnes? I doubt it.

I don't know but Kompany will. If there's anything in it, which is probably doubtful.

Deals to bring players in will be structured in instalments along side add ons, such as surviving in the PL, so if we do sign the likes of Tella or Maatsen for 20m, the actual cash out of the bank initially will be quite small, staying up will be key. If we did go down (unlikely if you ask me) but if we did we'd easily move these players on for decent fees, due to age and potential.
People saying Maatsen can leave for free at end of his contract, I think due to his age Chelsea would be due compo as we did with Ings move to Liverpool (stand to be corrected though)

Why is nobody else signing the magical mythical players where you put almost no money down and they all appreciate in value?

Sounds brilliant.