Brilliant New Burnley Podcast

[ClaretPete001]

I'll give this a bump....

The Podders tend to reflect my opinions. And I am one of those people who enjoys being agreed with largely based on the largesse of thinking that if someone else is agreeing with me then at least they are heading in the right direction, which is nice of me and good for them.

It's a win win thing....!

[forzagranata]

Not a dig at the podcast lads by the way. It’s mostly been a good listen. I suspect they couldn’t have chosen a worse season to launch. It’s pretty much the same taking points every week and not much they can do about that.

We just try to be honest in our assessment - and not sugar coat things. But take your point.

The hour of Michael Duff content we did recently was a nice break from the misery. We are hoping to have more of that kind of thing.

[123EasyasBFC]

We just try to be honest in our assessment - and not sugar coat things. But take your point.

The hour of Michael Duff content we did recently was a nice break from the misery. We are hoping to have more of that kind of thing.

I thought the Michael duff interview was fantastic, hearing from a player that was part of the beginning of this great 10 to 15 years we have had.

The interview flowed really well from manager to manager

[Darthlaw]

I've subscribed and it's pretty much my go to for my commute on a Monday for their debrief.

On the whole I like the presenters although I could probably predict in some cases who is going to have a pop at who even before the match let alone after

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Keep up the good work chaps, I don't want it "fluoxetined" up, it is what it is this season, a season of missed opportunities and numerous poor results and performances and I think your content reflects that and also most fans thoughts and concerns

[jdrobbo]

It’s very enjoyable. The Michael Duff interview was excellent. Don’t change the format: the good times will come. Keep it to your ‘round the pub table’ style of chat, with separate features dropped in as one-offs or during international breaks.

[wilks_bfc]

It is a good listen - it’s like listening to a group in the pub after a game

The one thing that does annoy me though is the constant calling of Russell Ball “Bobby”.

I appreciate it’s said in jest but you keep saying you want members of the board/ALk to come on, and should they listen to any of the shows, it’s not going to do you any favours in getting them on

[Vegas Claret]

It is a good listen - it’s like listening to a group in the pub after a game

The one thing that does annoy me though is the constant calling of Russell Ball “Bobby”.

I appreciate it’s said in jest but you keep saying you want members of the board/ALk to come on, and should they listen to any of the shows, it’s not going to do you any favours in getting them on

this, loads of good content but let down by unnecessary petty comments that for the most part aren't even funny.

[RVclaret]

this, loads of good content but let down by unnecessary petty comments that for the most part aren't even funny.

Yup and all the sarcasm about being positive. I got bored.

[Vegas Claret]

Yup and all the sarcasm about being positive. I got bored.

glad it's not just me then. It's a shame because it has loads of potential

[jlup1980]

I think it's a great listen. It's basically a group of fans having a chat. I enjoy the sarcasm and bluntness of some of the comments. It cuts through what has been a pretty horrific season - certainly the worst I can recall for a very long time. Sometimes you need to turn it on its head and laugh about it.

[Vegas Claret]

I think it's a great listen. It's basically a group of fans having a chat. I enjoy the sarcasm and bluntness of some of the comments. It cuts through what has been a pretty horrific season - certainly the worst I can recall for a very long time. Sometimes you need to turn it on its head and laugh about it.

huge difference between funny and petty, petty is just lazy and will never be funny imho

[dandeclaret]

Keep up the good work lads.... genuinely funny bits in the show, and it's class. Justin's meltdown on the Zaroury live announcment is brilliant.... I get it totally. And those who say they get bored of it listen enough to tell you that you've got the transfer fees wrong.... and I'm told that's a sign of a good podcast, even those who don't want to listen are drawn in by it.... in some way's you're like a bunch of much nicer Joey Barton's - 5 stars. I'll add that to Apple reviews later.

[ksrclaret]

brilliant

[ClaretPete001]

I like the humour of the Podders.

Vegas and RV tend to exist on the very defensive side of the forum where negativity is not regarded as positivity and the only answer to negativity is to be negative about it.

And as everyone whose ever done Primary schools maths knows: two negatives make a positive!

And therefore when they are being positive they are being positive and where they are being negative they are being even more positive.

Marvelous contributors both but they would made very bad batteries.

[RVclaret]

Keep up the good work lads.... genuinely funny bits in the show, and it's class. Justin's meltdown on the Zaroury live announcment is brilliant.... I get it totally. And those who say they get bored of it listen enough to tell you that you've got the transfer fees wrong.... and I'm told that's a sign of a good podcast, even those who don't want to listen are drawn in by it.... in some way's you're like a bunch of much nicer Joey Barton's - 5 stars. I'll add that to Apple reviews later.

Alright clever clogs I’ve listened half a dozen times this season, several of them Boden has made inaccurate comments on the numbers, I’ve seen it commented on ‘X’ by others as well as on this board. Hope some ‘thinking outside the box’ helps.

[forzagranata]

Feel free to produce an 'RV Claret/Vegas Claret' approved list of the transfer fees and the total spent. With the sources for those amounts of course.

[aggi]

It is a good listen - it’s like listening to a group in the pub after a game

The one thing that does annoy me though is the constant calling of Russell Ball “Bobby”.

I appreciate it’s said in jest but you keep saying you want members of the board/ALk to come on, and should they listen to any of the shows, it’s not going to do you any favours in getting them on

I do generally enjoy it, a bit rose tinted on some of our recent seasons but that's pretty understandable. As others have said it suffers a bit because the club do keep making the same errors so the comments are the same each time.

The "Bobby" Ball bit bugs me too. It's a bit childish, which is fair enough if that's what you're going for, but it's often paired with complaints that the club don't engage with the podcast. You need to choose one path or the other I'd say.

[forzagranata]

I don't think we have ever complained once that the club don't engage with the podcast.

In fact the club have engaged - the head of women's football has been on as a guest as has the women's team manager.

We've simply said that Bobby Ball is welcome on the show anytime. And indeed he is. I doubt he is so thin-skinned as to refuse because of a silly nickname being used a couple of times.

[Vegas Claret]

I like the humour of the Podders.

Vegas and RV tend to exist on the very defensive side of the forum where negativity is not regarded as positivity and the only answer to negativity is to be negative about it.

And as everyone whose ever done Primary schools maths knows: two negatives make a positive!

And therefore when they are being positive they are being positive and where they are being negative they are being even more positive.

Marvelous contributors both but they would made very bad batteries.

you are very very far from the actual truth. I'm all for truth being spoken and people being constructive and that includes criticism. That's not what I'm talking about though. Petty is lame as **** and not remotely funny. There are plenty of funny parts though, just the petty stuff lets it down as it's completely unnecessary and doesn't add any value whatsoever

[Ightenhill_Claret]

We've got another brilliant episode coming up this Friday - can't reveal anything yet but it'll be well worth a listen.

And a special announcement as well.

[CrosspoolClarets]

On the plus side, the chances of anyone connected with the club now knowing who the name Bobby Ball is referring to are slim.

If we get a “rock on Tommy” in an interview we’ll know that isn’t the case however

This thread has reminded me to listen to this week’s episode which I’m doing now. I’m hoping it is full of praise for the three new signings…..

[aggi]

I don't think we have ever complained once that the club don't engage with the podcast.

In fact the club have engaged - the head of women's football has been on as a guest as has the women's team manager.

We've simply said that Bobby Ball is welcome on the show anytime. And indeed he is. I doubt he is so thin-skinned as to refuse because of a silly nickname being used a couple of times.

It makes the invite sound fairly insincere when you're taking the **** at the same time. I can't see it being an incentive for him to engage.

On the plus side, the chances of anyone connected with the club now knowing who the name Bobby Ball is referring to are slim.

If we get a “rock on Tommy” in an interview we’ll know that isn’t the case however

This thread has reminded me to listen to this week’s episode which I’m doing now. I’m hoping it is full of praise for the three new signings…..

He's a British bloke in his 50s, there's a pretty high chance he'll know what the reference is.

[forzagranata]

Fair points.

[Wokingclaret]

Enjoyed as usual, thanks

[CrosspoolClarets]

Enjoyed the episode earlier and noted the criticism of Brownhill, just saw a stat tonight from The Other 14 on X. Brownhill has the highest tackle success rate in the Premier League for the season so far. Only dribbled past 7 times.

Yep, surprised me too.

https://x.com/other14the/status/1755265 ... 25107?s=61

[Wokingclaret]

Enjoyed the episode earlier and noted the criticism of Brownhill, just saw a stat tonight from The Other 14 on X. Brownhill has the highest tackle success rate in the Premier League for the season so far. Only dribbled past 7 times.

Yep, surprised me too.

https://x.com/other14the/status/1755265 ... 25107?s=61

Well I never, them 7 times must have led to goals hence our collective feelings

[Goliath]

Enjoyed the episode earlier and noted the criticism of Brownhill, just saw a stat tonight from The Other 14 on X. Brownhill has the highest tackle success rate in the Premier League for the season so far. Only dribbled past 7 times.

Yep, surprised me too.

https://x.com/other14the/status/1755265 ... 25107?s=61

'I don't think tackling is a quality. It is a recurso, something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game.'

This quote from Xabi Alonso feels relevant here. Whilst tackling is obviously necessary, i agree with him that it isnt exactly a quality that a midfielders game should be based on. I've seen Sunday league players that are great tacklers, problem is they couldnt kick a ball. Its really not a difficult skill in itself.

[Vegas Claret]

'I don't think tackling is a quality. It is a recurso, something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game.'

This quote from Xabi Alonso feels relevant here. Whilst tackling is obviously necessary, i agree with him that it isnt exactly a quality that a midfielders game should be based on. I've seen Sunday league players that are great tacklers, problem is they couldnt kick a ball. Its really not a difficult skill in itself.

Did you ever watch Paul Scholes tackle ? He could do everything but !

[Goliath]

Did you ever watch Paul Scholes tackle ? He could do everything but !

And he was one of the best central midfielders in premier league history!

[Vegas Claret]

And he was one of the best central midfielders in premier league history!

Sadly not, but 100% proof that the Xabi Alonso quote is pure nonsense

[Goliath]

Sadly not, but 100% proof that the Xabi Alonso quote is pure nonsense

Nobody becomes a good central midfielder just from being a good tackler. That comes a distant last in terms of importance behind passing, composure, positioning, anticipation, stamina etc etc.
This is why England have historically not been great at generating Pirlo/Busquets/Xavi types.

[Chester Perry]

these conversations always remind me of that Paolo Maldini Quote

"If I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake."

though he could also tackle, always good to be fully equipped

[Vegas Claret]

Nobody becomes a good central midfielder just from being a good tackler. That comes a distant last in terms of importance behind passing, composure, positioning, anticipation, stamina etc etc.
This is why England have historically not been great at generating Pirlo/Busquets/Xavi types.

and by your own definition (which i totally agree with) nobody becomes a good midfielder by just being good at passing. The Alonso and Maldini quotes might sound good but they are nonsense.

[Goliath]

and by your own definition (which i totally agree with) nobody becomes a good midfielder by just being good at passing. The Alonso and Maldini quotes might sound good but they are nonsense.

No of course. But a world class passer would get a lot further in the game. Tackling itself isnt the skill, its reading the game and anticipating where the ball's going to go so you can intercept. World class players dont get tackled very often.

Pep also famously said he never practices tackling, id be surprised if any manager does.

[aggi]

No of course. But a world class passer would get a lot further in the game. Tackling itself isnt the skill, its reading the game and anticipating where the ball's going to go so you can intercept. World class players dont get tackled very often.

Pep also famously said he never practices tackling, id be surprised if any manager does.

I assume they practice the cynical pull back instead.

[ClaretPete001]

you are very very far from the actual truth. I'm all for truth being spoken and people being constructive and that includes criticism. That's not what I'm talking about though. Petty is lame as **** and not remotely funny. There are plenty of funny parts though, just the petty stuff lets it down as it's completely unnecessary and doesn't add any value whatsoever

Fair enough....

[ClaretPete001]

No of course. But a world class passer would get a lot further in the game. Tackling itself isnt the skill, its reading the game and anticipating where the ball's going to go so you can intercept. World class players dont get tackled very often.

Pep also famously said he never practices tackling, id be surprised if any manager does.

I don't think that's true tbh.

Gattuso was World Class and I don't think he was much of a Glenn Hoddle. Xavi and Alonso had Busquets.

The Liverpool side that won the PL for the first time in years had Milner and Henderson as central components. Neither world class at anything....

Scholes' was a world class passer as was Hoddle. Beckham springs to many and many others. England has a had lots of great passers but arguably the reason why we've never won the world cup is because we have never had a world class defensive midfielder who could read a game, manage it's tempo and and break up the opposition attacks.

[ClaretPete001]

And while I'm on it...

And the great French side of Zidane had Didier Deschamp who Cantona described as a water carrier such was the limitations of his talents. The Brazilians famously had Dunga who was definitely not a Hoddle type player.

[Goliath]

I don't think that's true tbh.

Gattuso was World Class and I don't think was much of a Glenn Hoddle. Xavi and Alonso had Busquets.

The Liverpool side that won the PL for the first time in years had Milner and Henderson as central components. Neither world class at anything....

Scholes' was a world class passer as was Hoddle. Beckham springs to many and many others. England has a had lots of great passers but arguably the reason why we've never won the world cup is because we have never had a world class defensive midfielder who could read a game, manage it's tempo and and break up the opposition attacks.

Gattuso world class?? Not for me.
And yes England have had some fantastic passers of a ball, but a lot of them seemed to lack that extra level of maturity and understanding of the deeper central midfield role, I include Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard in that.

Carrick and Hargreaves (who was brought through at Bayern Munich) were the 2 for me that were underutilised and could have helped us win a trophy but i still dont think they were as good as Pirlo, Xabi alonso etc. Even Modric for a more modern day example, England couldnt get near him when they knocked us out of the world cup in 2018. It was an absolute lesson in how to play the role.

I think its changing now but our game was so focussed on tackling and being all action that we didnt produce those calm players who would just sit there without charging around and diving in all the time.

Im not sure the relevancy of the Milner/Henderson shouts, they were just very good footballers with great energy and closed down really well. The tackling was just a byproduct of that IMO. I definitely think you need someone with that energy but they need quality with it and those 2 definitely had that as well.

[forzagranata]

If Gattuso wasn't world class - he certainly was a key member of two world class teams.

AC Milan - Champions League winners and Gattuso was at the heart of Ancelotti's midfield.
World Cup winning Italy team in 2006 - again he was right in the thick of it in midfield for Lippi's team.

If you are looking for balance in your midfield then a player like Gattuso was always essential.

Less so perhaps in today's era where tackling is frowned upon.

[ClaretPete001]

Gattuso world class?? Not for me.
And yes England have had some fantastic passers of a ball, but a lot of them seemed to lack that extra level of maturity and understanding of the deeper central midfield role, I include Scholes, Gerrard and Lampard in that.

Carrick and Hargreaves (who was brought through at Bayern Munich) were the 2 for me that were underutilised and could have helped us win a trophy but i still dont think they were as good as Pirlo, Xabi alonso etc. Even Modric for a more modern day example, England couldnt get near him when they knocked us out of the world cup in 2018. It was an absolute lesson in how to play the role.

I think its changing now but our game was so focussed on tackling and being all action that we didnt produce those calm players who would just sit there without charging around and diving in all the time.

Im not sure the relevancy of the Milner/Henderson shouts, they were just very good footballers with great energy and closed down really well. The tackling was just a byproduct of that IMO. I definitely think you need someone with that energy but they need quality with it and those 2 definitely had that as well.

I'm not sure Pirlo and Modric are really like Hargreaves and Carrick.

Modric didn't win a world cup because he played for Croatia but Gattuso drove an average Italian side to beat a star studded French team in 2006.

Prior to that it was Dunga and Brazil prior to that it was France and Deschamps.

After 2006 it was Busquets. And then you could argue Khedira for German was more of a ball winner than anything else.

Same with Kante in 2018. And Argentina had a few of them along with Messi.

All high energy players whose primary skills was winning the ball and controlling possession.

It's all about opinions I guess

[Goliath]

I'm not sure Pirlo and Modric are really like Hargreaves and Carrick.

Modric didn't win a world cup because he played for Croatia but Gattuso drove an average Italian side to beat a star studded French team in 2006.

Prior to that it was Dunga and Brazil prior to that it was France and Deschamps.

After 2006 it was Busquets. And then you could argue Khedira for German was more of a ball winner than anything else.

Same with Kante in 2018. And Argentina had a few of them along with Messi.

All high energy players whose primary skills was winning the ball and controlling possession.

It's all about opinions I guess

Sure, i wasn't saying they were all identical players, they just played with a better understanding and reading of the game than most.
Kantes another one, was his main strength tackling or the speed he could get around the pitch along with his stamina.
Id argue the latter but we can agree to disagree.

[Ightenhill_Claret]

Moving away from midfielders... We've got an interview with Andy Payton on tomorrow's podcast. Chris and Simon sat down with the Padiham Predator tonight for a nice hour-long chat. Out tomorrow... complete with special announcement mid-pod!

[forzagranata]

Andy Payton interview special is out now.

And the From the Bee Hole End merchandise store is open....

[helmclaret]

Great stuff. Could listen to AP for hours.

[lewishamclaret]

Loved listening to Andy Payton. Some great insights into the realities of making it as a professional footballer. You forgot to ask him what it was like under Stan!

[Foshiznik]

I don't think that's true tbh.

Gattuso was World Class and I don't think he was much of a Glenn Hoddle. Xavi and Alonso had Busquets.

The Liverpool side that won the PL for the first time in years had Milner and Henderson as central components. Neither world class at anything....

Scholes' was a world class passer as was Hoddle. Beckham springs to many and many others. England has a had lots of great passers but arguably the reason why we've never won the world cup is because we have never had a world class defensive midfielder who could read a game, manage it's tempo and and break up the opposition attacks.

Owen Hargreaves was probably the closest we got to that

[Darthlaw]

Unfortunately the closest we had aside Hargreaves was Nicky Butt of that generation who as I recall had one brilliant World Cup then fell into obscurity. Prior to that Ince and Batty but by the time our golden generation got into their prime they were way past it.

It’s amazing to look back though and see each great team’s destroyer
Keane for Man U
Makelele for Chelsea and Madrid
Deschamps for Juve and France
Kante for Chelsea and even Leicester
Gattuso for Italy and Milan
Vieira for Arsenal and Petit before him
Busquets for Barca and Spain.
Rodri for Man City
I’m probably missing loads more.

[SalouClaret]

Unfortunately the closest we had aside Hargreaves was Nicky Butt of that generation who as I recall had one brilliant World Cup then fell into obscurity. Prior to that Ince and Batty but by the time our golden generation got into their prime they were way past it.

It’s amazing to look back though and see each great team’s destroyer
Keane for Man U
Makelele for Chelsea and Madrid
Deschamps for Juve and France
Kante for Chelsea and even Leicester
Gattuso for Italy and Milan
Vieira for Arsenal and Petit before him
Busquets for Barca and Spain.
Rodri for Man City
I’m probably missing loads more.

Dean Maaaaaaaarney!