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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by NewClaret » Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:50 am
They can't spend money on buildings given they are privately owned.
Not sure that’s true, Tony. I know Bacup for example has had a lot of investment/refurbishment of privately owned buildings and before the Commonwealth Games the whole of Moss Side and its shop fronts were replaced/regenerated.

Although I accept it requires full cooperation of the owners (but why wouldn’t they be supportive if they’re investing in their property?) and probably makes things more complex legally than what they have full control over.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by NewClaret » Sun May 28, 2023 11:23 am

Zom Zom wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:49 am
Regards the roundabout, anything must be better than the current situation. Absolutely grid-locked at times. It was probably ideal when initially constructed, but the sheer level of traffic that passes there must surely be 100 times greater. Not just match days, busy shopping times, school runs. There's been occasions when I have wanted to turn off at St. Peter's and had to miss the exit due to the nature of the traffic and not being able to bear left.
Yes, I have heard it’s bad. Can’t say I use that route on match day or at busy times really so probably selfish of me wanting the money spent elsewhere ;)
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun May 28, 2023 11:24 am

Bit disappointed the roundabout is going, every Burnley fan has been around that at least once, even VK. :shock:

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sun May 28, 2023 11:26 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:38 am
Has that part of the upgrade started? I assumed that’s be last. Or is your point that it has and the surfacing isn’t ideal?
It was gravel last Sunday, and yes the surface, if finished, is far from ideal.
Quite deep gravel.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Wokingclaret » Sun May 28, 2023 11:26 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:23 am
Yes, I have heard it’s bad. Can’t say I use that route on match day or at busy times really so probably selfish of me wanting the money spent elsewhere ;)
I hope they're not putting in Pelican crossing, I've noticed they don't seem to work properly in Burnley

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by NewClaret » Sun May 28, 2023 11:26 am

gawthorpe_view wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:26 am
It was gravel last Sunday, and yes the surface, if finished, is far from ideal.
Quite deep gravel.
:shock: Let’s hope that’s not the work they’re planning on it then!!
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 28, 2023 11:36 am

NewClaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:22 am
Not sure that’s true, Tony. I know Bacup for example has had a lot of investment/refurbishment of privately owned buildings and before the Commonwealth Games the whole of Moss Side and its shop fronts were replaced/regenerated.

Although I accept it requires full cooperation of the owners (but why wouldn’t they be supportive if they’re investing in their property?) and probably makes things more complex legally than what they have full control over.
With this project it is very much true. I went to the open day on it and asked that very question.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by BigRedrose » Sun May 28, 2023 12:02 pm

It would be nice to see the Clarets legend boards incorporated somewhere in this development. Perhaps along the long stretch of stark, black wall on Harry Potts way?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 28, 2023 12:11 pm

BigRedrose wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:02 pm
It would be nice to see the Clarets legend boards incorporated somewhere in this development. Perhaps along the long stretch of stark, black wall on Harry Potts way?
Neither are possible - it was our first port of call to ask if they could be incorporated in Town2Turf but the way it's funded doesn't allow for it. As for the black wall, that's Burnley FC property and they don't want them on any of their property.

We have got a home for them and once I can, I'll confirm where.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Clarets4me » Sun May 28, 2023 12:38 pm

Loyalclaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:02 am
Someone may correct this but I read it as the £6.1m is part of a bigger project across town
"The overall package includes three projects:

Expansion of the Canalside University Campus
An upgrade to Manchester Road Railway Station
Town 2 Turf
All three schemes will be connected by off-road, canal-side cycling provision
"
https://burnley.gov.uk/business/economi ... wn-2-turf/
The total grant is around £19.1m, to include the redevelopment of Newtown Mill off Sandygate for Uclan, amongst other things ...

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Mala591 » Sun May 28, 2023 1:01 pm

Let’s hope a few hundred quid can be found to clear up the disgusting mess at the bottom end of the canal ‘straight mile’ (just on the other side of the bridge near Finsley Gate Wharf).

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by mdd2 » Sun May 28, 2023 1:11 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:11 pm
Neither are possible - it was our first port of call to ask if they could be incorporated in Town2Turf but the way it's funded doesn't allow for it. As for the black wall, that's Burnley FC property and they don't want them on any of their property.

We have got a home for them and once I can, I'll confirm where.
Do you mean Burnley Cricket Club (BCC) property because where i am thinking you mean is likely to be owned by BCC

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Sun May 28, 2023 1:38 pm

mdd2 wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 1:11 pm
Do you mean Burnley Cricket Club (BCC) property because where i am thinking you mean is likely to be owned by BCC
I think he was referring to the black wall that runs from the traffic lights down to the away fans entrance which fronts the car park. That’s the football club’s.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by mdd2 » Sun May 28, 2023 1:39 pm

Ah yes that is the car park isn't it?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Loyalclaret » Sun May 28, 2023 5:27 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:38 pm
The total grant is around £19.1m, to include the redevelopment of Newtown Mill off Sandygate for Uclan, amongst other things ...
Thank you

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by StayingDown4Ever » Sun May 28, 2023 8:03 pm

I always thought those player boards looked a bit tacky.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Papabendi » Sun May 28, 2023 8:12 pm

They were not for me either. Right decision by the owners as per.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by basil6345789 » Sun May 28, 2023 8:23 pm

Which way will the Tod. Bus run?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Loyalclaret » Sun May 28, 2023 8:47 pm

Guess it could go up Tod Road, Burnley Road and onwards or past St Teds/Ridge Avenue?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by basil6345789 » Sun May 28, 2023 8:55 pm

:D
Loyalclaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:47 pm
Guess it could go up Tod Road, Burnley Road and onwards or past St Teds/Ridge Avenue?
Probably the latter

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by mikeS » Mon May 29, 2023 7:46 pm

Plaque under the Culvert.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by mikeS » Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:14 pm

The Burnley Express has an article saying that the Culvert work isn't part of the £6.1 million Town To turf scheme. They say it is essential council works needed for shot blasting and repairs to the corroded steelwork. Closed Monday 5th for six weeks.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by dougcollins » Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:47 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:26 am
I hope they're not putting in Pelican crossing, I've noticed they don't seem to work properly in Burnley
Do you mean the five minute delay before the lights change?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by basil6345789 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:30 am

mikeS wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:14 pm
The Burnley Express has an article saying that the Culvert work isn't part of the £6.1 million Town To turf scheme. They say it is essential council works needed for shot blasting and repairs to the corroded steelwork. Closed Monday 5th for six weeks.
Let's hope they get on with job and don't just stand around watching one lad work!

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:56 am

Mala591 wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 1:01 pm
Let’s hope a few hundred quid can be found to clear up the disgusting mess at the bottom end of the canal ‘straight mile’ (just on the other side of the bridge near Finsley Gate Wharf).
Report it to Burnley Council street scene or the Canal and River trust. They might send their volunteers down there depending on location.

The West side of the Gannow tunnel is the one that needs clearing up, glass everywhere.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:00 pm

mikeS wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:14 pm
The Burnley Express has an article saying that the Culvert work isn't part of the £6.1 million Town To turf scheme. They say it is essential council works needed for shot blasting and repairs to the corroded steelwork. Closed Monday 5th for six weeks.
That doesn't fit in with what we were told when we went to the Town2Turf presentation which clearly showed it as part of the project.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by MeeActon1 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:00 pm
That doesn't fit in with what we were told when we went to the Town2Turf presentation which clearly showed it as part of the project.
It is definitely part of T2T, you can see this on the plans page on the councils website. Specifically mentions repairing the ironwork and repainting/blasting.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by mikeS » Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:30 pm

from the Express article on Friday.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Claretmutt » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:42 pm

Hope they paint it claret and blue.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by AGENT_CLARET » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:49 pm

It's looking good

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by 1HappyClaret » Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:57 pm

MeeActon1 wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:52 pm
It is definitely part of T2T, you can see this on the plans page on the councils website. Specifically mentions repairing the ironwork and repainting/blasting.

A recent article on the Lancashire County Council web site say that it is NOT part of the Town2Turf project but is being timed to cause less disruption while the other work goes on.

https://news.lancashire.gov.uk/news/roa ... c-aqueduct

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by MeeActon1 » Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:04 pm

1HappyClaret wrote:
Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:57 pm
A recent article on the Lancashire County Council web site say that it is NOT part of the Town2Turf project but is being timed to cause less disruption while the other work goes on.

https://news.lancashire.gov.uk/news/roa ... c-aqueduct
Why Town 2 Turf?
The aim is to transform the link between the town centre, which had extensive improvements a few years ago, along Yorkshire Street to Burnley Football Club’s “home” at Turf Moor. This is a popular route, especially on match days, but it is looking jaded and in need of investment. It will form part of a “regeneration corridor” from the Weavers’ Triangle (and all the work connected to the expansion of UCLan) through the shopping centre to the football stadium.

What’s being planned?
The biggest change will be at the junction of Yorkshire Street and Church Street where the current roundabout will be changed to a traffic light junction to improve pedestrian safety and boost links between the town centre and “the Turf”. The changes will also improve traffic flows and “future proof” the area against future developments in the area. There will be public realm improvements to create a pleasant, safe, relaxing place where people can gather.

What can we expect to see?
inside the subway
Centenary Way Subway Decommissioned by LCC
two sets of railings
Railings to be removed
old, cracked, paving
All paving to be replaced
looking up at the ironwork of the Yorkshire Street aquaduct
Yorkshire Street Aqueduct
Clean masonry and repaint metalwork
a woman pushing a pram across the junction of a road - the paving goes right across the road, making it safer for pedestriansPedestrian priority crossings
New crossings prioritise pedestrians and slow down vehicles.
They are common in Europe and are great for walkers and cyclists.
Picture ©Simon Turner Photography
Pavements will be made wider and new pedestrian crossing introduced to improve safety and access for all, especially for those with young children or who are disabled or visually impaired.

blossom
Magnolia Kobus tree
This is the best tree for absorbing carbon monoxide helping those with respiratory problems associated with exhaust fumes
tree
Betula Albosinensis
Beautiful autumnal tree
the top of a light fixture
a smart, modern, street light
Street lighting
LED low light pollution
bollard set into decorative paving
a nice new bin
access cover made to match paving
red coloured paving with raised dots to help those with sight problems
nice new paving
a new bench made of steel and wood
There will be better street lighting and more landscaped areas and seating, using high-quality materials similar to those in the town centre.

********* :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Yorkshire Street aqueduct will be renovated and Centenary Way pedestrian subway will be decommissioned with the approach ramp and steps levelled up and landscaped. ************

When’s this going to happen?
Work has commenced and the project will complete Summer 2024.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by bfcmik » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:46 pm

The diversion will be up Church St, Colne Rd, Eastern Ave and Belvedere Rd
No mention of the Church St, Omerod Rd and Belvedere Rd route there (although it must be 20 years since I drove down Omerod Rd and it may not be accessible nowadays)

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Leon_C » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:13 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 10:50 am
They can't spend money on buildings given they are privately owned.
It's more complex than impossible. Regeneration projects can incorporate private property improvements, but I think that this becomes a lengthy consultation process, and it only takes one obstacle owner to mess up the whole project.

You'd like to think that the general improvements to the public realm would inspire better property upkeep - but given the nature of the businesses on much of Yorkshire St, I wouldn't be too confident.

(Just seen further discussion on this on page 2. Mindful of Tony's comment - perhaps the Levelling Up fund bid restricted works on private properties.)

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Roger1960 » Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:34 pm

It’s a shame they have picked very pale buff pavings for the scheme ,if you walk along the completed part of it on the park view side of Harry Potts way it’s already badly stained by drinks , food ,chewing gum etc , god only knows what it will look like after the first home match after the contents of various chuck wagons and cans of pop have been dropped on it . You would have thought someone would think maybe a darker colour that doesn’t show the stains as much would be better here

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by summitclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:55 pm

As I expected from LCC, the lane restrictions at the Wellington lights are still in place. It's unbelievable that a highway authority can allow that when the culvert closure is in place. The footway renewals could have been completed by now.

The main problem is only one lane coming down Tod Road. With 2 traffic waiting to turn right up HP Way, would not prevent traffic wanting to go up Belvedere Road. Would never have happened when Burnley Council was the Highway Authority.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Volvoclaret » Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:20 pm

Why does anyone expect anything of quality to emanate from LCC
After many years of dealing with County I am convinced that a prerequisite for being an employee of said Council you have all commonsense removed and it being replaced with a great sense of superiority and entitlement.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by bfcmik » Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:11 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:55 pm
As I expected from LCC, the lane restrictions at the Wellington lights are still in place. It's unbelievable that a highway authority can allow that when the culvert closure is in place. The footway renewals could have been completed by now.

The main problem is only one lane coming down Tod Road. With 2 traffic waiting to turn right up HP Way, would not prevent traffic wanting to go up Belvedere Road. Would never have happened when Burnley Council was the Highway Authority.
The main objective of qualified Road Planners is now to regulate traffic and reduce overall vehicle speeds with the intention of persuading vehicle owners to switch to more environmentally sustainable means of movement such as cycles or foot - even buses are merely seen as a short-term interim measure.

Here in Solihull our Council spent a couple of million pounds on installing 'vital' bus lanes about 3 years ago. This year they have spent another couple of million pounds on converting those bus lanes to cycle lanes with buses being pushed back onto the busy street which now has only 2/3 the capacity of the previous road as well as all the former bus stop laybys no longer existing. I drive up and down the prime route that has been 'improved' twice and rarely see more than 1 or 2 cyclists a WEEK despite there being a secondary school at either end of the cycleway

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:11 pm

The road is now closed to traffic but there is still pedestrian access on the Royal Dyche side.

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Meanwhile, on Harry Potts Way, the pavement is open virtually the whole length on the opposite side to the Turf but totally closed on the other as is one side of the road with temporary traffic lights at the Wellington and Park View.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Claretitus » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:37 pm

And the photos of Yorkshire Street and the Culvert depict what is going on the length and breadth of the UK. ie road closed and no sign of anyone doing any work. Joke.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by NorthIsCool » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm

CT as I frequent the Park View, the temporary traffic lights were removed from Harry Potts Way yesterday when the lane closure on the Turf Moor side was put in place.
There is only one way traffic now from Brunshaw Road to the Wellington.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:08 pm

NorthIsCool wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm
CT as I frequent the Park View, the temporary traffic lights were removed from Harry Potts Way yesterday when the lane closure on the Turf Moor side was put in place.
There is only one way traffic now from Brunshaw Road to the Wellington.
Shows how much I take note of. I walked it today from the PV end and thought there were traffic lights on. The road is now just wide enough for one vehicle but I thought there were lights operating. I've got to go past again tomorrow so I'll take more notice.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Whitgord » Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:21 pm

That photo has reminded me just how tatty the Cricket Field stand looks.
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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by 2 Bee Holed » Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 am

I'm blind.
When did the Burnley FC letters re-appear on
the Bob Lord stand?

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:25 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 am
I'm blind.
When did the Burnley FC letters re-appear on
the Bob Lord stand?
They've always been there

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:35 am

2 Bee Holed wrote:
Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:23 am
I'm blind.
When did the Burnley FC letters re-appear on
the Bob Lord stand?
The perspective of the photo makes it look like it's on the front of the building. But it is the original signage that is at the top which has always been there.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by DXS » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:06 pm

Just to make things even more chaotic they are now starting roadworks on Church Street at the bottom of Ormerod Road, going down Church St towards Ormerod Rd you can't turn right to enter Ormerod Rd, if your coming down Ormerod Rd you can't turn right onto Church St, it just beggars belief

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:07 pm

NorthIsCool wrote:
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm
CT as I frequent the Park View, the temporary traffic lights were removed from Harry Potts Way yesterday when the lane closure on the Turf Moor side was put in place.
There is only one way traffic now from Brunshaw Road to the Wellington.
And checked yesterday - the traffic lights I saw on Tuesday were clearly only in my imagination.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Sozturf7 » Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:18 pm

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Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:06 pm
Just to make things even more chaotic they are now starting roadworks on Church Street at the bottom of Ormerod Road, going down Church St towards Ormerod Rd you can't turn right to enter Ormerod Rd, if your coming down Ormerod Rd you can't turn right onto Church St, it just beggars belief
I agree, unbelievable if this is how you discribe the traffic arrangements added to those already now in progress.

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Re: Culvert work starting

Post by Falcon » Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:57 pm

DXS wrote:
Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:06 pm
Just to make things even more chaotic they are now starting roadworks on Church Street at the bottom of Ormerod Road, going down Church St towards Ormerod Rd you can't turn right to enter Ormerod Rd, if your coming down Ormerod Rd you can't turn right onto Church St, it just beggars belief

Are these actually road works? Just looked like a row of cones last night. Makes me feel like it's been done deliberately to stop traffic tailing back up Ormerod Road. A lot more wagons and buses rerouting up there due to the Yorkshire Street closure and in the narrow sections where the car parking spaces switch sides you can't get a large vehicle through if there's a queue on one side.

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