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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by claretburns » Mon May 29, 2023 4:15 pm

Lee Gregory rolling on the floor for 15 seconds and then standing up with nothing wrong with him doesn't help.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vino blanco » Mon May 29, 2023 4:15 pm

I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous red card decision. Another example of VAR being a joke.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by claretburns » Mon May 29, 2023 4:16 pm

Barnsley hit the bar, definitely not turning out to be their day, so far.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by trawlen » Mon May 29, 2023 4:16 pm

Close from Barnsley. Good reaction to the red

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Bigvince » Mon May 29, 2023 4:16 pm

trawlen wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:14 pm
Ref has ruined the game now...
And the numpties at stockley park, they had the chance to rectify the decision.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:16 pm

Barnsley hit the bar.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 4:17 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:14 pm
Harsh, it's ridiculous.
I’d only seen it in real time when I posted harsh. Totally agree, ridiculous decision.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:17 pm

They say they don't want games re-refereeing, but that is so pivotal that it should be rubber stamped by the referee.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon May 29, 2023 4:17 pm

The football Gods are certainly smiling on Wednesday.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Paddy1882 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:17 pm

Games gone I’m afraid, a clearer penalty you will not see not given and a 50/50 challenge slightly missed timed is deemed a red… what is the point of VAR if they don’t overturn basic errors like that
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Mon May 29, 2023 4:18 pm

Disgraceful game changer from Ref
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm

Wasn’t a pen, both players missed the ball which then hit the knee of the Wednesday player hence no pen for me.

But the red card was a farce, as is VAR, if that ref didn’t give it VAR wouldn’t be telling him it was a clear penalty, but the rules say it has to be a clear error.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Bigvince » Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm

48 game season could be ruined by one bad decision

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:20 pm

Barnsley up against it, but the game not gone away from them yet, playing the better stuff.

Can they keep it up though.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 4:21 pm

It’s opened up the game

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm

Didn't agree with the red card but it's certainly improved the entertainment value of the game.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Duffer_ » Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm

Why wouldn't you take another look at such a defining moment? Arrogance of the ref to not ask for a second look, and unnecessary and misguided protection of the ref from those in the van. Come on Barnsley!

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by theonlywayisup » Mon May 29, 2023 4:24 pm

Terrible decision from Tim Robinson. What with VAR it is still amazing how officials can still ruin a game!

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:27 pm

Who is this commentator? Is it Weaver? Anyway we've just had 'Michael Duff will be proud of his players'. I would guess he's absolutely Furious at the ref.
Then we have just had 'on a hot day like this'. Bloody clown.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by CoolClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:27 pm

VAR needs binning ASAP - it’s still a human decision to be made at the end of the day and as we’ve seen, seem to really mess up on the big decisions

Also - how does it make sense to have a full year of no VAR in the league, yet implement it in the playoff final?! No consistency.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:29 pm

Oops the heat brings about another drinks break.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Pickles » Mon May 29, 2023 4:33 pm

I'm begging the commentator to just say Bannan instead of Barry Bannan just once.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:33 pm

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:38 pm

Pickles wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:33 pm
I'm begging the commentator to just say Bannan instead of Barry Bannan just once.
I mentioned this on the first page of this thread.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by kentonclaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:38 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 3:40 pm
I can see this match being abandoned, it’s 17degrees out there , 2 drink breaks already, ridiculous to expect players to cope with that heat .

The temperature readings of 17 degrees are of the air temperature which is taken in shade.
I live just a few miles from Wembley and it’s certainly hotter than 17 degrees in the sun.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Commy » Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

I'm hoping Barnsley get on before extra time as they will be knackered if they have to do another 30 mins. Mind you, they will be fit with Duff in charge. :)
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm
48 game season could be ruined by one bad decision
Exactly the premise that VAR was sold to us on.

Having seen it introduced into other sports I said it would do more harm than good, I am yet to see the positives outweigh the negatives.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm
Wasn’t a pen, both players missed the ball which then hit the knee of the Wednesday player hence no pen for me.

But the red card was a farce, as is VAR, if that ref didn’t give it VAR wouldn’t be telling him it was a clear penalty, but the rules say it has to be a clear error.
the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:43 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm
the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time
Yep, agree.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by claretburns » Mon May 29, 2023 4:44 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm
the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time
No need to check replays Vegas, how you describe it is exactly what happened.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Casper2 » Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm

kentonclaret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:38 pm
The temperature readings of 17 degrees are of the air temperature which is taken in shade.
I live just a few miles from Wembley and it’s certainly hotter than 17 degrees in the sun.
Half the pitch is in the shade

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Duffer_ wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm
Why wouldn't you take another look at such a defining moment? Arrogance of the ref to not ask for a second look, and unnecessary and misguided protection of the ref from those in the van. Come on Barnsley!
Referees can’t ask for a second look. They can only be advised to by the VAR official.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:48 pm

Whichever way this ends up, Barnsley have responded really well so far.
Maybe extra time, if it happens, will sap the ten men, but they're not giving up without a fight.
As you'd expect from a Mike Duff team.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by aggi » Mon May 29, 2023 4:49 pm

RVclaret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 3:47 pm
There’s a very cold wind in LDN today and currently 17 degrees.
I'm guessing that you're not actually in London.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon May 29, 2023 4:51 pm

Benson being subbed off after being subbed on

Looks like an ankle injury

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:52 pm

Barnsley have had no luck at all in this game

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by kentonclaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:52 pm

Casper2 wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm
Half the pitch is in the shade
That’s why only half the players took drinks :D

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 4:52 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:51 pm
Benson being subbed off after being subbed on

Looks like an ankle injury
Josh really deserves an injury free run

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Mon May 29, 2023 4:54 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm
the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time
Will see myself again too at the end but we watched it rewound and watched it again and we agreed with VAR.

Not a phrase I write very often :lol:

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by roperclaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:57 pm

Another farce. Ref has only had 2 big decisions to make and got both of them wrong. What’s the point of VAR?

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Croydon Claret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:49 pm
I'm guessing that you're not actually in London.
I'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm

Extra time.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon May 29, 2023 4:59 pm

If the "penalty" incident had happened anywhere else on the pitch, it's a foul, no question.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Foshiznik » Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

Croydon Claret wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm
I'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out
It’s crackin’ flags here. 🌞🌞🌞🌞🌞

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by roperclaret » Mon May 29, 2023 5:02 pm

Foshiznik wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm
Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.
Isn’t it there to overturn wrong decisions? Cos there were 2 by the ref
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by ClaretTony » Mon May 29, 2023 5:02 pm

Foshiznik wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm
Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.
But VAR is being used.

It should be correcting clear and obvious errors. I believe it should have instructed Robinson to look at the monitor for the penalty. As for the red card, one further look would have surely convinced even this referee that he’d got it badly wrong.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Silkyskills1 » Mon May 29, 2023 5:04 pm

Foshiznik wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm
Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.
Can you explain how it got not one but two decisions dreadfully wrong please. I'm not up to it.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Duffer_ » Mon May 29, 2023 5:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm
Referees can’t ask for a second look. They can only be advised to by the VAR official.
Having heard the recent audio playback of ref and VAR conversations, it seemed to me that there were ways and means of getting a second look. And if there genuinely aren't, then there should be.

Re. the penalty, there is no doubt that Gregory kicked through the Barnsley player's leg but could it be deemed to be inconsequential contact? Not in the sense that it was slight contact (it wasn't) but in the sense that the fouled player had no prospect of scoring after he had touched the ball. That said, plenty of pens given for idiotic handballs where there was no denial of a goalscoring opportunity. It's all guesswork, even though the term "inconsequential contact" seems to be bandied around by pundits, I cannot find a definition online.

Either way, Barnsley have been very hard done by given the red card AND "no pen" decision.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon May 29, 2023 5:05 pm

If the penalty had been given, chances are the red card incident wouldn’t have happened
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