Barnsley v Owls Playoff
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And no matter how today ends, Barnsley will be without Adam Phillips for the first three games next season.
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Can they appeal it? Doubt they would win though due to VAR agreeing.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:05 pmAnd no matter how today ends, Barnsley will be without Adam Phillips for the first three games next season.
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There is literally no point going through it as there are too many claret tinted spectacles for anyone to have a respectable and grown up conversation about it.
In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.
In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.
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They were both very clear and very obvious, the VAR should have suggested the ref takes another look.
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About time I moved back. Went out to do the garden this morning and it was so cold I gave up
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The red was out of control, the penalty was probably the most arguable.
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Big scramble in Barnsley 6 yard box, they survive.
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How on earth were they not clear and obvious?
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I was thinking Norwood man of the match but I think the Barnsley goalkeeper deserves it.
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Dave of the season that
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And the ‘Barry’ Bannan is doing my head in now.
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Lucky Thomas didn't get his head on that. It would have been an og.
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Barnsley should have scored
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Did he save that one as well?
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What a save
What a miss
What a miss
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Was that the chance.
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I love it when someone knows they are wrong so they use an even further nonsensical argument to further their argument ^^^^^^^^^
Both decisions were wrong, VAR overturns both of them in the PL
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On the field that red is completely understandable. Philips came in very late and very forcefully and the Wednesday player's reaction made it more difficult to judge.
I have sympathy with VAR even if I think it should be a yellow card myself. Is it a clear and obvious error? It's grey. The threshold is so difficult to apply those marginal calls are almost impossible to be consistent on. Shame that was shown up in a play-off final.
I have sympathy with VAR even if I think it should be a yellow card myself. Is it a clear and obvious error? It's grey. The threshold is so difficult to apply those marginal calls are almost impossible to be consistent on. Shame that was shown up in a play-off final.
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What a miss.......
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Ohhhhh Barnsley
Hope that wasn’t their chance
Hope that wasn’t their chance
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff
A good second half by Norwood but they are so deep now.
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Isn't it just?
Has the commentator mentioned any other first names?
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Big miss.
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whta a miss by Barnsley
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The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.
Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.
How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.
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I'm in North London and have spent the day at the paddling pool in the park. Local parks are packed out as are the beer gardens.Croydon Claret wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pmI'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out
Seems weird that so many people knew exactly what the weather was like better than the people in the stadium.
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I was beginning to think his surname was “Barry-Bannan”ElectroClaret wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pmIsn't it just?
Has the commentator mentioned any other first names?
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Agreed, his acting didn't help but the ref took that long to send Phillips off that the Wednesday lad had got up and had a chat with him. Obviously wasn't hurt. Should have booked them both and got on with it.claretspice wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:14 pmthe Wednesday player's reaction made it more difficult to judge.
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I think it’s you misunderstanding it. Both were clear and obvious errors. You see those overturned.Foshiznik wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pmThe decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.
Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.
How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.
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You seem to be in a minority of you and any Sheffield Wednesday fan.Foshiznik wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pmThe decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.
Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.
How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.
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I’ve said I disagree with the decisions made, but given I understand how VAR works I also understand why they weren’t overturned.Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:19 pmYou seem to be in a minority of you and any Sheffield Wednesday fan.
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I don't necessarily agree Tony. Clear and obvious is a very high bar. Phillips foot was well off the ground and there was force. Contact may have been minimal but I don't think it's as clear cut as is being suggested. It's a really tough one for VAR. A very good example of why it doesn't remove controversy.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:18 pmI think it’s you misunderstanding it. Both were clear and obvious errors. You see those overturned.
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Wednesday score
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Flag up for offside
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Won’t count
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Offside PLEASE
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So basically do away with var then. As refs make decisions based on what they see or believe so therefore there is no clear and obvious error.. as they wouldnt have given the decision in the first place. So your argument is that the ref is infallible regarding any decision he makes . In both instances with the benefit of slowed down replays they were clearly errors…. But not enough to overturn the ref… total nonsense brought about by VarFoshiznik wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pmThe decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty.
Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.
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Based on the laws of the game.
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Please be offside after that celebrating
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People on Twitter saying it is fixed to promote Sheff Wed, with the pen not being given and the sending off.
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miles off
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It’s why you see VAR really only overturn offsides and very poor decisions. VAR is something that could be used so much better but unfortunately it isn’t.Goalposts wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:22 pmSo basically do away with var then. As refs make decisions based on what they see or believe so therefore there is no clear and obvious error.. as they wouldnt have given the decision in the first place. So your argument is that the ref is infallible regarding any decision he makes . In both instances with the benefit of slowed down replays they were clearly errors…. But not enough to overturn the ref… total nonsense brought about by Var
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The distinction between reckless and dangerous/excessive force is a subjective one; an opinion. On that basis, how can there ever be a clear and obvious error? And, yet, there is precedent for such on-field decisions being overturned.
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