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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 8:22 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 1:01 am
It's about as stonewall as you can get https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/ ... 22592?s=20
Hadn't seen it until now but if Danny Baker did a 1000 stonewall penalties dvd that wouldn't even make the longlist. Both players have eyes on the ball the whole time and they just kick each other. One of those things that happens in football.

So they got the penalty right but the sending off badly wrong.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by bfcjg » Tue May 30, 2023 8:24 am

Burnsley never get favourable VAR decisions.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Eyesofblue2 » Tue May 30, 2023 8:48 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 8:22 am
Hadn't seen it until now but if Danny Baker did a 1000 stonewall penalties dvd that wouldn't even make the longlist. Both players have eyes on the ball the whole time and they just kick each other. One of those things that happens in football.

So they got the penalty right but the sending off badly wrong.
Agree with that, if you watch Kitching going in with his studs up as well, you could just as easily make the case for a free-kick to Wednesday, As above, just one of those things that happen in a game, they were right to play on.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by dsr » Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 1:01 am
It's about as stonewall as you can get https://twitter.com/SkyFootball/status/ ... 22592?s=20
As far as Jobi McAnuff is concerned, it's a clear penalty because "there was clear contact". I would disagree. I don't think contact is enough for it to be a penalty; I'd go much further and say that many times, it's possible for two players to touch and it not be a foul.

Obviously we can look at that and say "the Barnsley player swung at the ball, he made contact with the Sheffield player who went down, clear penalty to Sheff Wed". Except it was in the other penalty area so we say "the Sheffield player swung at the ball, he made contact with the Barnsley player who went down, clear penalty to Barnsley". I don't see why that's a foul one way but not the other.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by RVclaret » Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 am

dsr wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
As far as Jobi McAnuff is concerned, it's a clear penalty because "there was clear contact". I would disagree. I don't think contact is enough for it to be a penalty; I'd go much further and say that many times, it's possible for two players to touch and it not be a foul.

Obviously we can look at that and say "the Barnsley player swung at the ball, he made contact with the Sheffield player who went down, clear penalty to Sheff Wed". Except it was in the other penalty area so we say "the Sheffield player swung at the ball, he made contact with the Barnsley player who went down, clear penalty to Barnsley". I don't see why that's a foul one way but not the other.
Huh, it’s whoever has the ball under control and is then fouled, in this case the Barnsley player is bringing the ball down with a clever touch and is literally booted by the Wednesday player. It’s the very definition of a foul.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by NottsClaret » Tue May 30, 2023 9:42 am

Just two players kicking each other by accident. Not a penalty, play on. Sending off was a bit harsh.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 10:02 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 9:42 am
Just two players kicking each other by accident. Not a penalty, play on. Sending off was a bit harsh.
I agree with you Notts, however, the way the modern game is going who really knows any more.
Anyway, there is a fair chance that Tim Robinson could be promoted to SG1 so our fans had better get used to it.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by dsr » Tue May 30, 2023 10:22 am

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Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 am
Huh, it’s whoever has the ball under control and is then fouled, in this case the Barnsley player is bringing the ball down with a clever touch and is literally booted by the Wednesday player. It’s the very definition of a foul.
Actually, whoever had the ball is irrelevant. If it is a foul by the Sheffield player, that means that the Sheffield player kicked the Barnsley player (which he did) in a careless manner, ie. showing lack of consideration or attention to opponents. And at the same time, that the Barnsley player kicked the Sheffield player (which he did) in a manner that wasn't careless.

I suppose if you regard the Barnsley man as having done a bit of clever control and the Sheffield man was late, then it's a penalty. On the other hand, if you think they were both just swinging a boot at a high ball, then it's not. We'll have to agree to differ.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 10:43 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 9:38 am
Huh, it’s whoever has the ball under control and is then fouled, in this case the Barnsley player is bringing the ball down with a clever touch and is literally booted by the Wednesday player. It’s the very definition of a foul.
He might be trying to bring it down but he doesn't have the ball under control so it doesn't even fit your own definition.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by RVclaret » Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 am

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 10:43 am
He might be trying to bring it down but he doesn't have the ball under control so it doesn't even fit your own definition.
dsr wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 10:22 am
Actually, whoever had the ball is irrelevant. If it is a foul by the Sheffield player, that means that the Sheffield player kicked the Barnsley player (which he did) in a careless manner, ie. showing lack of consideration or attention to opponents. And at the same time, that the Barnsley player kicked the Sheffield player (which he did) in a manner that wasn't careless.

I suppose if you regard the Barnsley man as having done a bit of clever control and the Sheffield man was late, then it's a penalty. On the other hand, if you think they were both just swinging a boot at a high ball, then it's not. We'll have to agree to differ.
Yes I regard the Barnsley man as having done clever control, getting the ball first and his next action could have been swivelling to shoot.

These type of pens get given all the time do they not? Isn’t this one we got v Rovers years ago a similar example? (40 seconds in)

https://youtu.be/5-hM7e7DnGI

Boyd gets to the ball first (not sure he even touches it) and is then booted by Duffy who’s late - foul.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 11:52 am

RVclaret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 11:37 am
Yes I regard the Barnsley man as having done clever control, getting the ball first and his next action could have been swivelling to shoot.

These type of pens get given all the time do they not? Isn’t this one we got v Rovers years ago a similar example? (40 seconds in)

https://youtu.be/5-hM7e7DnGI

Boyd gets to the ball first (not sure he even touches it) and is then booted by Duffy who’s late - foul.
Remember that well as I said at the time it wasn't a penalty. Boyd just sticks his leg in front Duffy, who isn't late, there's just nothing he can do about it. Basically gamesmanship from Boyd, like Vardy dangling his leg out hit it's not really a foul. And not really like yesterday where two players go for the same ball and kick each other.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Silkyskills1 » Tue May 30, 2023 2:22 pm

The Sheffield player kicked the Barnsley player on my tv.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:06 pm

Give a penalty for incidents like this and we get even closer to the desired day when every bit of physical contact will be punished one way or another.
Go and watch a number of Academy games with younger referees learning their trade and we get even closer to contact being taken out of the game. Those running the game will be more than pleased when that day arrives, as is obvious with the 'endangering an opponent' 'reckless tackle' 'out of control' 'using excessive force' and whatever else IFAB can bring in to aid their case.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue May 30, 2023 3:18 pm

For me, that should be a penalty.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:20 pm

Every tackle is two players going for the ball, the one who misses the ball and kicks the man gives a foul away, that is the same all over the pitch.

If a defender clears the ball on the edge of the box and the forward is fractionally late a free kick is awarded, I just don't see what is being discussed here. When you go in with such force you have to be 100% certain you win the ball, if you don't it's foul and in this case a penalty.

If this was Burnley here there's not one member of this board who wouldn't say this is a penalty.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by claretspice » Tue May 30, 2023 3:28 pm

That may be fair comment Goody, but the fact is that VAR has not intervened to give such penalties all season. One springs to mind in the Arsenal v Bournemouth match.

Debate the rules and principles VAR apply all you want - like you I thought that a penalty yesterday- but too often we blame the man in the middle, or the VAR official, for applying the guidelines they are asked to work to.
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:33 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 3:20 pm
Every tackle is two players going for the ball, the one who misses the ball and kicks the man gives a foul away, that is the same all over the pitch.

If a defender clears the ball on the edge of the box and the forward is fractionally late a free kick is awarded, I just don't see what is being discussed here. When you go in with such force you have to be 100% certain you win the ball, if you don't it's foul and in this case a penalty.

If this was Burnley here there's not one member of this board who wouldn't say this is a penalty.
You forgot to add the numerous occasions that the player winning the ball gets penalised in games every week because he has gone in too hard. We are seeing the ball won quite fairly and players being penalised and also, in some instances, being cautioned.
The ball no longer matters in the modern game, everything revolves around the safety of the players and that is what is causing more and more players to cheat, go down with the slightest of touch etc., etc. ------it is happening at all levels of the game. Go and watch some Under 11 teams and they are being coached into falling over if touched.

You are incorrect with your last statement.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 3:35 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 3:20 pm
Every tackle is two players going for the ball, the one who misses the ball and kicks the man gives a foul away, that is the same all over the pitch.

If a defender clears the ball on the edge of the box and the forward is fractionally late a free kick is awarded, I just don't see what is being discussed here. When you go in with such force you have to be 100% certain you win the ball, if you don't it's foul and in this case a penalty.

If this was Burnley here there's not one member of this board who wouldn't say this is a penalty.
Except that we've seen plenty of players get sent off when they've won the ball cleanly, which puts paid to that argument.

If it was burnley I'd say it wasn't a penalty, just done exactly that in reference to the George boyd one above.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:49 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 3:35 pm
Except that we've seen plenty of players get sent off when they've won the ball cleanly, which puts paid to that argument.
Where have we seen this?

If you are talking about a player 'winning' the ball and endangering the player in the process then that is two completely different scenarios and nothing like this instance.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Tue May 30, 2023 3:50 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 3:33 pm
You forgot to add the numerous occasions that the player winning the ball gets penalised in games every week because he has gone in too hard. We are seeing the ball won quite fairly and players being penalised and also, in some instances, being cautioned.
The ball no longer matters in the modern game, everything revolves around the safety of the players and that is what is causing more and more players to cheat, go down with the slightest of touch etc., etc. ------it is happening at all levels of the game. Go and watch some Under 11 teams and they are being coached into falling over if touched.
So it's a penalty on Saturday then?

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 4:02 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 3:49 pm
Where have we seen this?

If you are talking about a player 'winning' the ball and endangering the player in the process then that is two completely different scenarios and nothing like this instance.
Loads of times. I was replying to you saying that every tackle is two people going for the ball and the one who misses and kicks the man gives a foul away. Patently not true.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 4:05 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 4:02 pm
Loads of times. I was replying to you saying that every tackle is two people going for the ball and the one who misses and kicks the man gives a foul away. Patently not true.
there's a difference between contact and a kick - the Sheff Wed player booted the Barnsley player - it's a stonewall undeniable fact he booted him and the videos prove it, the fact the officials decided it wasn't a penalty is a sad indictment of their ability.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 4:12 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 4:05 pm
there's a difference between contact and a kick - the Sheff Wed player booted the Barnsley player - it's a stonewall undeniable fact he booted him and the videos prove it, the fact the officials decided it wasn't a penalty is a sad indictment of their ability.
You need to watch your own video mate, they very clearly kick each other. Maybe the Wednesday lad is kicking harder but that's irrelevant.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 4:26 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 4:12 pm
You need to watch your own video mate, they very clearly kick each other. Maybe the Wednesday lad is kicking harder but that's irrelevant.
give over, one gets the ball the other doesn't. It's a penalty and that gets overturned in the PL by officials that use the technology every week. Why they put a group of officials in charge with very little (if any?) experience of using VAR made the choice to use VAR an embarrassing one (and also unfair for the officials)

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 4:58 pm

One touches the ball, he hardly 'gets' it. There's really nothing in it and they made the right decision. The sending off they didn't get right at all.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 5:03 pm

quoonbeatz wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 4:58 pm
One touches the ball, he hardly 'gets' it. There's really nothing in it and they made the right decision. The sending off they didn't get right at all.
we'll agree to disagree on the first and shake hands on the second :D
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 5:19 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 4:26 pm
give over, one gets the ball the other doesn't. It's a penalty and that gets overturned in the PL by officials that use the technology every week. Why they put a group of officials in charge with very little (if any?) experience of using VAR made the choice to use VAR an embarrassing one (and also unfair for the officials)
Do you seriously consider a SG1 official who has had 22 VAR appointments as well as refereeing 6 PL games this season is not qualified enough to do the job?
Add to that the referee has done a total of 225 Championship games in the last seven seasons plus 2 PL games and 3 FA Cup games were VAR was used, he is an experienced official who saw two players coming together as happens in every game played.

He gave what he saw, he backed up his judgement and that is all that can be expected, you should try it sometime, it's easy.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Duffer_ » Tue May 30, 2023 5:33 pm

Pretty much everyone is accepting of referees making mistakes based on a one-off viewing of an incident in real-time. Probably more so if they are at the game rather than watching it on TV because of the absence of replays.

I can completely understand the ref giving no penalty and a red card yesterday based on what he saw. I don't think that makes him corrupt or incompetent. The use of VAR at the game, and specifically the ways in which it is/is not used, make the decisions way more controversial and, one has to hope, inadvertently, heap pressure on referees.

I struggled with the referee not taking a look at the incidents again. It is commonly said that referees cannot ask to see a replay; they must be advised to review it by the VAR officials. The principles and protocols state that a referee cannot use VAR to make an original decision but I cannot see anywhere in those same rules and protocols that say they cannot ask for an on-field review to give them an opportunity to confirm or overturn their original decision. Now it may be that Tim Robinson had a perfectly good view of both incidents and felt highly confident about those decisions. However, given the technology was available and everyone watching knew it was, why didn't he think it was worth double checking, even if it was just for the optics of such a game-changing decision and the smallest shred of doubt? It may be that he felt under pressure to stick to his original decision and taking a second look would appear weak, even resulting in him potentially being marked down by the assessor.

There was a second option: the VAR officials could have recommended he take another look. There are problems with this option too. How can there ever be a clear and obvious error on a subjective decision of whether a challenge is reckless or uses excessive force? And when the referee is asked to look at a monitor by the VAR officials we know that encourages the ref to change their mind. They are effectively being told that, in the opinion of the VAR official, they got it wrong. In the rare instances that the referee sticks with their original decision, the authorities are concerned that this demonstrates inconsistency within officiating. This puts pressure on the referee to rely on the judgement of the VAR officials who, once they have shared their best angle/views, are at a disadvantage to the referee in terms of information to make the best decision.

The upshot of all this is that the technology appears only to be used to undermine the authority of the referee. Technology was available to give Tim Robinson absolute confidence in his decisions and to demonstrate that confidence to the viewers. Somehow the conventions/protocols/interpretations/norms of VAR and the relevant authorities, or his own ego, denied him that opportunity.

I accept that the referee will make mistakes in real-time (no VAR). I also accept that the referee may come to a different conclusion to me having seen a review (with VAR). The level of disagreement on here about the decisions suggest a high level of interpretation and judgement. But I cannot accept that the referee does not, or is not encouraged, to take a second look in these circumstances. How have we ended up with VAR being such a mess that referees are not being encouraged to use it to make the best decisions they possibly can in season defining moments? Where was the downside in Tim Robinson taking a second look and, if he was unmoved, showing that he was confident with the decisions he made?

Sorry, just reviewed before submitting, and hadn't realised that I had channeled my inner LTL. I haven't even mentioned the neutering effect on goal celebrations - bloody VAR!

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by quoonbeatz » Tue May 30, 2023 5:49 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 5:03 pm
we'll agree to disagree on the first and shake hands on the second :D
Woah my man there's no room for cordiality round here!
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 6:57 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 5:19 pm
Do you seriously consider a SG1 official who has had 22 VAR appointments as well as refereeing 6 PL games this season is not qualified enough to do the job?
Add to that the referee has done a total of 225 Championship games in the last seven seasons plus 2 PL games and 3 FA Cup games were VAR was used, he is an experienced official who saw two players coming together as happens in every game played.

He gave what he saw, he backed up his judgement and that is all that can be expected, you should try it sometime, it's easy.
Woah, a whole 22 VAR appointments and 6 PL games for the VAR and 5 games for the ref where VAR was used backs my point up entirely so thanks very much, it is another complete PGMOL failure - why did the Championship have Michael Oliver and not Tim Robinson (or whoever who has 225+ games) ? Was the Championship play off final more important ?? You put the TOP refs into these huge games and avoid as many mistakes as possible. I am backing my judgement 100% that the PGMOL completely screwed it up with their appointments of the League One and Two finals

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Goody1975 » Tue May 30, 2023 7:45 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
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Woah, a whole 22 VAR appointments and 6 PL games for the VAR and 5 games for the ref where VAR was used backs my point up entirely so thanks very much, it is another complete PGMOL failure - why did the Championship have Michael Oliver and not Tim Robinson (or whoever who has 225+ games) ? Was the Championship play off final more important ?? You put the TOP refs into these huge games and avoid as many mistakes as possible. I am backing my judgement 100% that the PGMOL completely screwed it up with their appointments of the League One and Two finals
Doesn't matter how many games they've done, it's their ability.

Rate the ref on this very site has some referees that consistently score similar marks, some highly and some lowly.

Just like players, there are levels to their ability, just because someone doesn't referee doesn't mean they can't give a valid opinion on the ability of the man in the middle.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 7:52 pm

Goody1975 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 7:45 pm
Doesn't matter how many games they've done, it's their ability.

Rate the ref on this very site has some referees that consistently score similar marks, some highly and some lowly.

Just like players, there are levels to their ability, just because someone doesn't referee doesn't mean they can't give a valid opinion on the ability of the man in the middle.
which again backs up my argument, they didn't have the required ability (I'd prefer to use the word experience tbh, people get better usually with practice) to use common sense and get to the correct decision - all 3 games should have been done by our top 3 refs, too much riding on the games to get things so massively wrong

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 8:22 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 6:57 pm
Woah, a whole 22 VAR appointments and 6 PL games for the VAR and 5 games for the ref where VAR was used backs my point up entirely so thanks very much, it is another complete PGMOL failure - why did the Championship have Michael Oliver and not Tim Robinson (or whoever who has 225+ games) ? Was the Championship play off final more important ?? You put the TOP refs into these huge games and avoid as many mistakes as possible. I am backing my judgement 100% that the PGMOL completely screwed it up with their appointments of the League One and Two finals
You seem to have forgotten that there was a full Premier League programme which kicked off at 4-30 pm on Sunday and that needed 60 officials of the required standard to officiate at games which the PGMOL would consider more important than an English League One Play-Off Final. Of those 60 officials, 6 had been used in the Championship play-off but were all on duty on Sunday in one capacity or another as was the VAR at the League One play-off final.
In addition to all the above there are also location and membership of County FAs to take into consideration, the simple fact is that there are more northern based officials and t his precludes them from refereeing certain teams.

THe whole thing will get more interesting in the future because the drop out of officials at grassroots level has to be seen to be believed. The older end are fed up of abuse that abounds and the younger end just don't want the hassle. I used to mentor young referees in my area of Northumberland, however, every lower league has been postponing matches or even asking guys like myself (at 77 years old) to come out of retirement so that games can be played.
You just need to read this boards to see that they are doing a thankless job. Sadly, there is little or no respect either on or off the field.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by dsr » Tue May 30, 2023 8:28 pm

The stupidity of VAR is that they are willing to spend 2 minutes trying to disallow a goal for offside that would have been uncontroversially allowed under the old rule; but they won't spend that time properly assessing a red card offence. In rugby league, when a red card is a possibility, the ref and fourth official have a chat about what each other saw before waving (or not waving) the card. Why would that be so wrong in football?
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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue May 30, 2023 8:36 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 8:22 pm
You seem to have forgotten that there was a full Premier League programme which kicked off at 4-30 pm on Sunday and that needed 60 officials of the required standard to officiate at games which the PGMOL would consider more important than an English League One Play-Off Final. Of those 60 officials, 6 had been used in the Championship play-off but were all on duty on Sunday in one capacity or another as was the VAR at the League One play-off final.
In addition to all the above there are also location and membership of County FAs to take into consideration, the simple fact is that there are more northern based officials and t his precludes them from refereeing certain teams.

THe whole thing will get more interesting in the future because the drop out of officials at grassroots level has to be seen to be believed. The older end are fed up of abuse that abounds and the younger end just don't want the hassle. I used to mentor young referees in my area of Northumberland, however, every lower league has been postponing matches or even asking guys like myself (at 77 years old) to come out of retirement so that games can be played.
You just need to read this boards to see that they are doing a thankless job. Sadly, there is little or no respect either on or off the field.
Michael Oliver did the Championship final and then was on VAR duty a day later. I'll just add, VAR for the Championship final was Andre Marriner. So yes, they could have easily got them in for the other two games. I don't think they are doing a thankless task and I know their job is a difficult one - but the Barnsley game proved they don' help themselves and I'm yet to see a single post from any ex player saying that VAR got it right, all unequivocally say the ref should have been asked to go to the screen.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by roperclaret » Tue May 30, 2023 8:46 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 8:22 pm
You seem to have forgotten that there was a full Premier League programme which kicked off at 4-30 pm on Sunday and that needed 60 officials of the required standard to officiate at games which the PGMOL would consider more important than an English League One Play-Off Final. Of those 60 officials, 6 had been used in the Championship play-off but were all on duty on Sunday in one capacity or another as was the VAR at the League One play-off final.
In addition to all the above there are also location and membership of County FAs to take into consideration, the simple fact is that there are more northern based officials and t his precludes them from refereeing certain teams.

THe whole thing will get more interesting in the future because the drop out of officials at grassroots level has to be seen to be believed. The older end are fed up of abuse that abounds and the younger end just don't want the hassle. I used to mentor young referees in my area of Northumberland, however, every lower league has been postponing matches or even asking guys like myself (at 77 years old) to come out of retirement so that games can be played.
You just need to read this boards to see that they are doing a thankless job. Sadly, there is little or no respect either on or off the field.
But the Barnsley game was on Monday.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 pm

roperclaret wrote:
Tue May 30, 2023 8:46 pm
But the Barnsley game was on Monday.
I do know which day of the week it was.

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Re: Barnsley v Owls Playoff

Post by roperclaret » Tue May 30, 2023 10:12 pm

Kind of negates your Sunday arguement then
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