And no matter how today ends, Barnsley will be without Adam Phillips for the first three games next season.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:05 pm

And no matter how today ends, Barnsley will be without Adam Phillips for the first three games next season.

Can they appeal it? Doubt they would win though due to VAR agreeing.

There is literally no point going through it as there are too many claret tinted spectacles for anyone to have a respectable and grown up conversation about it.

In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:07 pm

There is literally no point going through it as there are too many claret tinted spectacles for anyone to have a respectable and grown up conversation about it.

In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.

They were both very clear and very obvious, the VAR should have suggested the ref takes another look.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

It’s crackin’ flags here.

About time I moved back. Went out to do the garden this morning and it was so cold I gave up

The red was out of control, the penalty was probably the most arguable.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:09 pm

They were both very clear and very obvious, the VAR should have suggested the ref takes another look.

They weren’t though. Certainly not the red card anyway.

Big scramble in Barnsley 6 yard box, they survive.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:07 pm

There is literally no point going through it as there are too many claret tinted spectacles for anyone to have a respectable and grown up conversation about it.

In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.

How on earth were they not clear and obvious?

I was thinking Norwood man of the match but I think the Barnsley goalkeeper deserves it.

Dave of the season that

Save

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:07 pm

Can they appeal it? Doubt they would win though due to VAR agreeing.

They can but it’s rare that you’d win with a VAR game. I’d appeal it though.

Commy wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:11 pm

I was thinking Norwood man of the match but I think the Barnsley goalkeeper deserves it.

Great save then. Hopefully a match winning one.

And the ‘Barry’ Bannan is doing my head in now.

Lucky Thomas didn't get his head on that. It would have been an og.

Barnsley should have scored

Did he save that one as well?

What a save
What a miss

Was that the chance.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:07 pm

There is literally no point going through it as there are too many claret tinted spectacles for anyone to have a respectable and grown up conversation about it.

In short, both decisions were not clear and obvious so we’re not overturned.

I love it when someone knows they are wrong so they use an even further nonsensical argument to further their argument ^^^^^^^^^

Both decisions were wrong, VAR overturns both of them in the PL

On the field that red is completely understandable. Philips came in very late and very forcefully and the Wednesday player's reaction made it more difficult to judge.

I have sympathy with VAR even if I think it should be a yellow card myself. Is it a clear and obvious error? It's grey. The threshold is so difficult to apply those marginal calls are almost impossible to be consistent on. Shame that was shown up in a play-off final.

What a miss.......

Ohhhhh Barnsley

Hope that wasn’t their chance

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:10 pm

The red was out of control, the penalty was probably the most arguable.

******** the red was reckless not dangerous. The Pen was nailed on.

A good second half by Norwood but they are so deep now.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:13 pm

And the ‘Barry’ Bannan is doing my head in now.

Isn't it just?
Has the commentator mentioned any other first names?

Big miss.

whta a miss by Barnsley

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:11 pm

How on earth were they not clear and obvious?

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.

Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.

How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm

I'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out

I'm in North London and have spent the day at the paddling pool in the park. Local parks are packed out as are the beer gardens.

Seems weird that so many people knew exactly what the weather was like better than the people in the stadium.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

Isn't it just?
Has the commentator mentioned any other first names?

I was beginning to think his surname was “Barry-Bannan”

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:14 pm

the Wednesday player's reaction made it more difficult to judge.

Agreed, his acting didn't help but the ref took that long to send Phillips off that the Wednesday lad had got up and had a chat with him. Obviously wasn't hurt. Should have booked them both and got on with it.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.

Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.

How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.

I think it’s you misunderstanding it. Both were clear and obvious errors. You see those overturned.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty. I would expect the decision not to be overturned on either of the red had given a yellow and awarded a penalty.

Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.

How it is used is up for rightful criticism, not the technology itself imo.

You seem to be in a minority of you and any Sheffield Wednesday fan.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion.

They're both opinions, that's how it works.

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:19 pm

You seem to be in a minority of you and any Sheffield Wednesday fan.

I’ve said I disagree with the decisions made, but given I understand how VAR works I also understand why they weren’t overturned.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:18 pm

I think it’s you misunderstanding it. Both were clear and obvious errors. You see those overturned.

I don't necessarily agree Tony. Clear and obvious is a very high bar. Phillips foot was well off the ground and there was force. Contact may have been minimal but I don't think it's as clear cut as is being suggested. It's a really tough one for VAR. A very good example of why it doesn't remove controversy.

Wednesday score

Flag up for offside

Won’t count

Offside PLEASE

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion. For example, the red card for me was harsh but the decision was given as the tackle was mistimed, out of control and reckless. At that point, if the referee gives a red, it’s not a clear and obvious error as it’s a justifiable decision. Same for the penalty.

Fans too quickly misunderstand VAR as if it’s changing every decision they disagree with. The bar is a lot higher than that fortunately/unfortunately.

So basically do away with var then. As refs make decisions based on what they see or believe so therefore there is no clear and obvious error.. as they wouldnt have given the decision in the first place. So your argument is that the ref is infallible regarding any decision he makes . In both instances with the benefit of slowed down replays they were clearly errors…. But not enough to overturn the ref… total nonsense brought about by Var

quoonbeatz wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:20 pm

They're both opinions, that's how it works.

Based on the laws of the game.

Please be offside after that celebrating

People on Twitter saying it is fixed to promote Sheff Wed, with the pen not being given and the sending off.

miles off

Goalposts wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:22 pm

So basically do away with var then. As refs make decisions based on what they see or believe so therefore there is no clear and obvious error.. as they wouldnt have given the decision in the first place. So your argument is that the ref is infallible regarding any decision he makes . In both instances with the benefit of slowed down replays they were clearly errors…. But not enough to overturn the ref… total nonsense brought about by Var

It’s why you see VAR really only overturn offsides and very poor decisions. VAR is something that could be used so much better but unfortunately it isn’t.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:15 pm

The decision needs to be a clear and obvious error, not just an opinion.

The distinction between reckless and dangerous/excessive force is a subjective one; an opinion. On that basis, how can there ever be a clear and obvious error? And, yet, there is precedent for such on-field decisions being overturned.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:22 pm

Based on the laws of the game.

Yep. But var doesn't make a decision.