Lee Gregory rolling on the floor for 15 seconds and then standing up with nothing wrong with him doesn't help.

I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous red card decision. Another example of VAR being a joke.

Barnsley hit the bar, definitely not turning out to be their day, so far.

Close from Barnsley. Good reaction to the red

trawlen wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:14 pm

Ref has ruined the game now...

And the numpties at stockley park, they had the chance to rectify the decision.

Barnsley hit the bar.

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:14 pm

Harsh, it's ridiculous.

I’d only seen it in real time when I posted harsh. Totally agree, ridiculous decision.

They say they don't want games re-refereeing, but that is so pivotal that it should be rubber stamped by the referee.

The football Gods are certainly smiling on Wednesday.

Games gone I’m afraid, a clearer penalty you will not see not given and a 50/50 challenge slightly missed timed is deemed a red… what is the point of VAR if they don’t overturn basic errors like that

Disgraceful game changer from Ref

Wasn’t a pen, both players missed the ball which then hit the knee of the Wednesday player hence no pen for me.

But the red card was a farce, as is VAR, if that ref didn’t give it VAR wouldn’t be telling him it was a clear penalty, but the rules say it has to be a clear error.

48 game season could be ruined by one bad decision

Barnsley up against it, but the game not gone away from them yet, playing the better stuff.

Can they keep it up though.

It’s opened up the game

Didn't agree with the red card but it's certainly improved the entertainment value of the game.

Why wouldn't you take another look at such a defining moment? Arrogance of the ref to not ask for a second look, and unnecessary and misguided protection of the ref from those in the van. Come on Barnsley!

Terrible decision from Tim Robinson. What with VAR it is still amazing how officials can still ruin a game!

Who is this commentator? Is it Weaver? Anyway we've just had 'Michael Duff will be proud of his players'. I would guess he's absolutely Furious at the ref.
Then we have just had 'on a hot day like this'. Bloody clown.

VAR needs binning ASAP - it’s still a human decision to be made at the end of the day and as we’ve seen, seem to really mess up on the big decisions

Also - how does it make sense to have a full year of no VAR in the league, yet implement it in the playoff final?! No consistency.

Oops the heat brings about another drinks break.

I'm begging the commentator to just say Bannan instead of Barry Bannan just once.

Double sub by MD.

Pickles wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:33 pm

I'm begging the commentator to just say Bannan instead of Barry Bannan just once.

I mentioned this on the first page of this thread.

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 3:40 pm

I can see this match being abandoned, it’s 17degrees out there , 2 drink breaks already, ridiculous to expect players to cope with that heat .

The temperature readings of 17 degrees are of the air temperature which is taken in shade.
I live just a few miles from Wembley and it’s certainly hotter than 17 degrees in the sun.

I'm hoping Barnsley get on before extra time as they will be knackered if they have to do another 30 mins. Mind you, they will be fit with Duff in charge.

Bigvince wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm

48 game season could be ruined by one bad decision

Exactly the premise that VAR was sold to us on.

Having seen it introduced into other sports I said it would do more harm than good, I am yet to see the positives outweigh the negatives.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:19 pm

Wasn’t a pen, both players missed the ball which then hit the knee of the Wednesday player hence no pen for me.

But the red card was a farce, as is VAR, if that ref didn’t give it VAR wouldn’t be telling him it was a clear penalty, but the rules say it has to be a clear error.

the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time

Yep, agree.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time

No need to check replays Vegas, how you describe it is exactly what happened.

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:38 pm

The temperature readings of 17 degrees are of the air temperature which is taken in shade.
I live just a few miles from Wembley and it’s certainly hotter than 17 degrees in the sun.

Half the pitch is in the shade

Duffer_ wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:22 pm

Why wouldn't you take another look at such a defining moment? Arrogance of the ref to not ask for a second look, and unnecessary and misguided protection of the ref from those in the van. Come on Barnsley!

Referees can’t ask for a second look. They can only be advised to by the VAR official.

Whichever way this ends up, Barnsley have responded really well so far.
Maybe extra time, if it happens, will sap the ten men, but they're not giving up without a fight.
As you'd expect from a Mike Duff team.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 3:47 pm

There’s a very cold wind in LDN today and currently 17 degrees.

I'm guessing that you're not actually in London.

Benson being subbed off after being subbed on

Looks like an ankle injury

Barnsley have had no luck at all in this game

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Half the pitch is in the shade

That’s why only half the players took drinks

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:51 pm

Benson being subbed off after being subbed on

Looks like an ankle injury

Josh really deserves an injury free run

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:41 pm

the Sheff weds lad booted right through the back of the Barnsley players calf for the pen, the Barnsley lad got the ball first. I will check a replay at some point for another look but I disagree with what you think you saw from the replays at the time

Will see myself again too at the end but we watched it rewound and watched it again and we agreed with VAR.

Not a phrase I write very often

Another farce. Ref has only had 2 big decisions to make and got both of them wrong. What’s the point of VAR?

aggi wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:49 pm

I'm guessing that you're not actually in London.

I'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out

Extra time.

If the "penalty" incident had happened anywhere else on the pitch, it's a foul, no question.

Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:58 pm

I'm in London, just about. It peaked at 17 degrees and there's been a very cold wind all day. Had to get my big coat out

It’s crackin’ flags here.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.

Isn’t it there to overturn wrong decisions? Cos there were 2 by the ref

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.

But VAR is being used.

It should be correcting clear and obvious errors. I believe it should have instructed Robinson to look at the monitor for the penalty. As for the red card, one further look would have surely convinced even this referee that he’d got it badly wrong.

Foshiznik wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 pm

Everyone blaming VAR yet not understanding how it works.

Also, if VAR was not used as it hasn’t for the other games this season, the decision would still be the same.

Can you explain how it got not one but two decisions dreadfully wrong please. I'm not up to it.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Mon May 29, 2023 4:45 pm

Referees can’t ask for a second look. They can only be advised to by the VAR official.

Having heard the recent audio playback of ref and VAR conversations, it seemed to me that there were ways and means of getting a second look. And if there genuinely aren't, then there should be.

Re. the penalty, there is no doubt that Gregory kicked through the Barnsley player's leg but could it be deemed to be inconsequential contact? Not in the sense that it was slight contact (it wasn't) but in the sense that the fouled player had no prospect of scoring after he had touched the ball. That said, plenty of pens given for idiotic handballs where there was no denial of a goalscoring opportunity. It's all guesswork, even though the term "inconsequential contact" seems to be bandied around by pundits, I cannot find a definition online.

Either way, Barnsley have been very hard done by given the red card AND "no pen" decision.

If the penalty had been given, chances are the red card incident wouldn’t have happened