Just Stop Oil...

[Spiral]

But what will I cook my chips in?

I, too, fry my chips in diesel oil.

[Volvoclaret]

I, too, fry my chips in diesel oil.

JSO doesn't specify what oils
Btw do the chips taste different using red diesel?

[Spiral]

BTW to a large degree this is going how it is all is designed to go. First the rage. Predictable. Then someone asks a funny question or makes a joke, and everyone has a bit of a laugh, but next thing you know someone is going, "haha, yeh, good one...but serious for a minute, how do they expect us to wane off oil?" and before you know it we're having a conversation about the economic models of energy production and such, which is something that wasn't in the national conversation, something that was nowhere near the front of public consciousness before the soup came out.

[Spiral]

JSO doesn't specify what oils
Btw do the chips taste different using red diesel?

You know that red powder stuff that they put over chips in some takeaways? That's red diesel just left out in the sun to dry. Now you know.

[CoolClaret]

I mean, this situation in and around NY this week… this really ain’t good is it?

If you’ve ever spent an extended period in a city that has terrible air quality you really feel it and it’s not good whatsoever.

[bobinho]

I suspect those pictures look like that because of the Canadian wildfires, but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

[Spiral]

I suspect those pictures look like that because of the Canadian wildfires, but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

Don't let intense wildfires get in the way of a point about climate change? LOL

[CoolClaret]

I suspect those pictures look like that because of the Canadian wildfires, but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

Keep connecting the dots and you might get there....

[TsarBomba]

Had the pleasure of ‘meeting’ quite a few JSO and XR over the years.

One XR chap I nicked was a really nice guy. Self employed from Bristol, had a young kid, was extremely concerned about climate change and what world we were leaving for future generations. He didn’t plan on getting arrested, and couldn’t have been any more nicer and polite. We shook hands when we parted ways, and I wished him all the best.

JSO on the other hand were completely the opposite. Revelled in the complete carnage they caused in Trafalgar Sq. Obnoxious, abusive, screaming in officers faces. Did their utmost to be as difficult as possible. The impression I got was they didn’t give a toss about climate change or stopping oil, but they just enjoyed the crack and attention. Took great delight in telling us that the courts would let them out the next day, and they’d be back out blocking more roads.

[Lancasterclaret]

https://twitter.com/EmberClimate/status ... 9832289280

Progress

[daveisaclaret]

I suspect those pictures look like that because of the Canadian wildfires, but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

Maybe the funniest post ever on this site or any previous iteration.

[Guppyspotter]

Can you be a Dr if you have criminal convictions?

He seems to do quite well at being found not guilty.

[Rileybobs]

Can you be a Dr if you have criminal convictions?

Dr Dre has a number of criminal convictions.

[KateR]

“Nonviolence is an intensely active force when properly understood and used.” – Mohandas Gandhi

I have been in the energy business all my working life, primarily in Oil & Gas, 2019 I was asked to lead a group within a multi-billion dollar company that had 0ver 90% of their revenues come from the Energy/Oil & Gas business in order to ascertain alternatives. Within the group we defined the quick & and largest impacts to implementing a change, while at the same time developing a scenario mapping for the future showing the decline of O&G.

I was skeptical going in, but soon changed to having a different opinion regrading the change and our ability globally to make a difference, this hope over the last couple of year has dwindled to a worry for the future without doom mongering as I believe we will resolve it. However, there will be quite some pain for a lot of people as we move along, this is mostly mental pain but there is some physical pain for a few you can be certain of that.

It's interesting to see some of the comments here, some very true ones in fact, so much manufacturing comes from the O&G industry that there's no way to simply stop it or slow it down in any meaningful way over the next decade. The technology is there in it's infancy that can be applied today, we can all see Solar farm and Wind farms, even in India and China, green hydrogen production is just starting to gain some traction but it won't make any seeable difference in the next decade. However these painful learning steps are crucial to being able to ramp up and see O&G usage peak and to start the downtrend as we see the uptrend of alternatives cross each other, but not in my life time unfortunately, and I would also say in the lifetime of the vast majority of users here! I'm convinced my children won't see it in their lifetime but maybe, just maybe, my grandchildren will see it.

JSO is a pain but I've clearly seen and discussed with a few governments at local and national level, including the EU, regarding implementing some of these technologies but as previously stated by others and common knowledge, while O&G is cheap and relatively easily accessible the change is just a snails pace, if we're lucky. JSO is a pain and an inconvenience to some, making it public and painful leads to publicity and maybe, as they hope, some changes that come from the masses in terms of electing people who embrace this issue and want to make a difference, not just speak to get elected but find it to difficult to do something.

Many examples exist but all on a much smaller or not at a global scale like this is, suffragettes being a good example

“We are here, not because we are law-breakers; we are here in our efforts to become law-makers.” - Emmeline Pankhurst

[Taffy on the wing]

Dr Dre has a number of criminal convictions.

[Taffy on the wing]

"while O&G is cheap"

Kate.

You say Oil and Gas is cheap!.......The reality is Oil companies have received massive Government subsidies (Billions per year) for many Decades, this keeps the price artificially low, & continues to this day.

Wars have been fought over O&G costing Trillions of dollars, not to mention the lost lives & productivity from the fatalities of the Wars.

The cherry on top is they may well have destroyed (from a human standpoint) the only Planet that's capable of supporting life while they were at it.......to call Oil and Gas cheap is looking at the World upside down.
Nobody seems willing to sacrifice any so called "Quality of life" to try to save the Earth, when you really think about it ....it makes no sense.
There's no option B......at least JSO are trying to do "something"!

[Jazz2013]

Any w@£&÷=r that glue themselves to a road etc ,stopping people getting to hospital and work, WANTS DESERVES RUNNING OVER!!!?

[ClaretFelix]

If as KateR alludes to that the new technologies are generations away from having a meaningful impact on the reliance of Oil and Gas, are we going to have to put up with the disruption JSO are causing for that length of time?
Or are they going to accept that the race to produce alternatives amongst the various companies who will want to be the first to be able to offer it up on a global is actually on?

I'm sure they're not sat on their hands as I'd imagine there would be quite a bit of prestige attached to being the first company to be able to do it and crack the market first.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Whilst majority of the population will agree with the message, antagonising the public, having what seems like uneducated teenagers running their social media accounts and thinking they are above the law does very little to get everyone on their side. The staged videos of someone crying shouting I don't want to be here come across as a bit dumb.

When I see the clips showing people slow walking in busy main roads, workers dragging people around and throwing them to the floor I can't help but think somebody is going to get seriously hurt or worse killed in the near future.

There must be better targets than members of the public trying to get to work out there.

[evensteadiereddie]

Any w@£&÷=r that glue themselves to a road etc ,stopping people getting to hospital and work, WANTS DESERVES RUNNING OVER!!!?

God help us...

[Bosscat]

Roll on fixtures day then the announcements of pre-season fixtures and the Footy starts

[ClaretAndLube]

I have worked in the O&G industry for almost 20 years and can concur with what KateR has to say.

Sorry to tell you this but oil consumption hasn't even reached its peak yet. Predictions are that this will continue to rise until 2023 at the earliest.

[ClaretAndLube]

Correction - 2030 at the earliest.

[Firthy]

Great in theory but impossible in practise. You only have to look at the impact that the lack of Russian oil and gas being supplied to the West has had on the economy and inflation.

[pureclaret]

God help us...

Got to say God would be of no use to someone bieng in my way if a family member was in need of hospital care .

[Caballo]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

[Volvoclaret]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.
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[Devils_Advocate]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

Do you and the others with similar comments have any clue around what the JSO aims and objectives behind these protests are because if you think it is to literally 'just stop oil' then im afraid you don't know what you are talking about.

Everyone's entitled to their views on whether they do or dont support the aims and/or the methods of JSO but I think its not unfair to expect people to actually inform themselves of the facts before sounding off on a subject.

[aclaretinstevenage]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

Maybe a little harsh in delivery there but basically true!

33 Million cars on UK roads of which around 1.8 million are EV's. There are already regular tales of long queues at charging points particularly on motorways leading to the most popular holiday destinations - Cornwall / Lake District - with long waits to get plugged in then a further wait while the thing charges. That infrastructure is improving but again there will be a time element before any sort of majority of people will be convinced to change to EV.

The ban on production of ICE vehicles from 2030 still leaves many millions of perfectly good (and expensive) cars on the road for a further 20 years or so and these will need fuel / lubrication etc etc and in the middle of the current cost of living crisis changing ones car to an overpriced EV is just not an option.

The JSO mob can't seriously believe that there is an overnight solution to our travel requirements and rights......or do they?

[evensteadiereddie]

Got to say God would be of no use to someone bieng in my way if a family member was in need of hospital care .

As if.
What a load of old BS.

[Down_Rover]

But what will I cook my chips in?

In a true democracy you can cook your chips in anything you like. You have a chance every five years to try and select the party that is aligned to your chip cooking policy.

In this country you are expected to bow to the views of those who shout the loudest

[CoolClaret]

Great in theory but impossible in practise. You only have to look at the impact that the lack of Russian oil and gas being supplied to the West has had on the economy and inflation.

JSO would argue that stuff like that is the entire reason that we shouldn’t be based on fossil fuels in the first place…

There’s also a little more to it than that.

[Devils_Advocate]

The JSO mob can't seriously believe that there is an overnight solution to our travel requirements and rights......or do they?

No they don't but they think planning for the future should be directed towards renewables and greener energy rather than granting licenses and providing massive subsidies for the oil industry to go after new oil and gas reserves

The whole premise is that it can't happen overnight so at some point we need to start planning for where we can be in 10, 20 or 30 years and if we let the govt continue to plough its money into more and more extraction of new Gas and Oil reserves then we'll be stuck in this exact same position in 20 years time except the crisis and its devastation will be far greater and far more desperate.

[Spijed]

In a true democracy you can cook your chips in anything you like. You have a chance every five years to try and select the party that is aligned to your chip cooking policy.

In this country you are expected to bow to the views of those who shout the loudest

In a true democracy photographers don't get arrested for taking photos at these events. But we are no longer that.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... il-protest

[Down_Rover]

In a true democracy photographers don't get arrested for taking photos at these events. But we are no longer that.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... il-protest

That’s a completely different debate. Why should the media be entitled to do what Joe Soap is not allowed to

[Firthy]

But what will I cook my chips in?

I wonder what they'd make of my beef dripping

[Herts Clarets]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

Ah but don't large animals like horses and cattle produce large quantities of methane through their consumption of a mainly grass fed diet, thus contributing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere....

[dsr]

The difficulty with stopping energy production via gas is that at present, it's the only technology that you can turn on and off at will. If wind power is a main source of energy supply, then we need a variable backup system for when the wind isn't blowing. (Or else batteries that can hold several weeks' power for the whole nation, but that's a way off as well. )

[Aclaret]

Box of Butterkist anyone

I'm all out, can you send some over

[Bosscat]

I'm all out, can you send some over

on its way

[cbx750]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

The animal rights people would be all over that.

[aggi]

...
I think its not unfair to expect people to actually inform themselves of the facts before sounding off on a subject.

Have you not used the internet before?

[Aclaret]

on its way

Are you coming over on your bike ?....its much better for the environment, just googled it 31 miles from the Maypole to our house....you'd better get a move on.

[Chobulous]

The animal rights people would be all over that.

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

If they could get past the just stop flatulence people

[PlasticClaret]

ideologues and fantasists. If we did 'just stop oil' we'd be ploughing the fields with horses practically overnight.

I suspected there was more to their campaign than just it's title I decided to take a look on their website to see if what they wanted was as you described, cold turkey end to oil usage immediately. I discovered this:

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WHAT DOES JUST STOP OIL WANT?
We demand that the UK government makes a statement that it will immediately halt all future licensing and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK.

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So as we can see, they don't want us to go cold turkey.

[Volvoclaret]

on its way

Can I have some too? Please can I have the pink coloured one, made from dried red diesel I believe.

[KateR]

"while O&G is cheap"

Kate.

You say Oil and Gas is cheap!.......The reality is Oil companies have received massive Government subsidies (Billions per year) for many Decades, this keeps the price artificially low, & continues to this day.

Wars have been fought over O&G costing Trillions of dollars, not to mention the lost lives & productivity from the fatalities of the Wars.

The cherry on top is they may well have destroyed (from a human standpoint) the only Planet that's capable of supporting life while they were at it.......to call Oil and Gas cheap is looking at the World upside down.
Nobody seems willing to sacrifice any so called "Quality of life" to try to save the Earth, when you really think about it ....it makes no sense.
There's no option B......at least JSO are trying to do "something"!

It's cheap compared to the alternatives, everything is relative but coal is actually cheaper and we've moved on mostly from that in many places. Yet places like Vietnam, China/India still use a lot of coal, how we wean them off coal without providing a cheaper/cleaner alternative is an impossible question! You also have to take into account around 3 Billion people have no access to electricity, zero and they're still burning wood, etc. Sooner or later these people will want power, TV's, fridges, lights, etc. which will add a massive load to how do we power that??

It's easy to say JSO but it's a local issue really, yes places across the US & the EU agree, but still nothing is done, but the majority of people around the world want to be in the position most western countries are in, including everyone on here I believe, it's a massive problem but we have to start somewhere!

O&G will still be in use 2100, and it's in official reports!

[Lowbankclaret]

So here is a cost zero option.
I was paying £300 a month for electric and gas.
Fitted solar at a cost of £11,000.
I borrowed the money at £200 a month.
I now pay £100 a month for energy and the £200 a month for the solar.

But in 4 years time I pay £100 and the rest is free.

No brainer.

[CoolClaret]

So here is a cost zero option.
I was paying £300 a month for electric and gas.
Fitted solar at a cost of £11,000.
I borrowed the money at £200 a month.
I now pay £100 a month for energy and the £200 a month for the solar.

But in 4 years time I pay £100 and the rest is free.

No brainer.

That's good!

I mean, there's gonna be some maybe maintenance involved but long term yeah, location dependent it's a no brainer

[houseboy]

Their cause is just but as people have said their tactics are dubious. Blocking roads might be seen as a bit of an inconvenience but what if some of those who can’t get to work are doctors, nurses, fireman, care workers, or any number of essential workers? What if some are going to essential medical appointments or taking a relative or friend to same? What if emergency vehicles get stuck?
That kind of ‘inconvenience’ could cause someone to suffer or even die. What price the good cause then?