5th Ashes test

[FCBurnley]

This is crazy. Australia well capable of scoring 380 or whatever at not much over 2 an over !!

[Conroysleftfoot]

The Aussies will get a boost by getting these last wickets easily. With the batting line up they have they have a good chance of winning this.

[ClaretTony]

Aussies have delayed things to ensure they won’t bat tonight should they get the last wicket

[Robbie_painter]

This is crazy. Australia well capable of scoring 380 or whatever at not much over 2 an over !!

Zero chance of chasing that down.runs per over doesn’t come into it in the last innings.

[RVclaret]

Think we’ll be disappointed by not getting closer to 400.

[ClaretTony]

Zero chance of chasing that down.runs per over doesn’t come into it in the last innings.

I’d say close to zero chance too

[FCBurnley]

Zero chance of chasing that down.runs per over doesn’t come into it in the last innings.

Of course it does. Very rare a team has 2 full days to chase a score. If the had only 1 day it would be near impossible

[Ric_C]

Weather is meant to be very iffy the next few days, so I can't really see Australia getting or even going for them in the time they have

[ClaretTony]

Anderson given out but rightly changed on review - umpire Wilson hasn’t had the best of games

[Bordeauxclaret]

78.1 overs yesterday
80 overs today.

[ClaretTony]

Of course it does. Very rare a team has 2 full days to chase a score. If the had only 1 day it would be near impossible

No it doesn’t

[ClaretTony]

389/9 at close

[RVclaret]

Anderson given out but rightly changed on review - umpire Wilson hasn’t had the best of games

He’s been awful

[ClaretTony]

He’s been awful

The standard of umpiring at this level is usually outstanding but he’s had a poor game

[Bordeauxclaret]

It’s pretty astonishing that so many posters have spent this series complaining to be honest.

It’s brilliant cricket on almost a session by session basis.

[FCBurnley]

Why did Anderson not get a leg bye after the umpire decision was overturned ? The batters had already crossed

[dandeclaret]

It’s pretty astonishing that so many posters have spent this series complaining to be honest.

It’s brilliant cricket on almost a session by session basis.

Spot on, and a lot of panic as well.

A very good series between the world test championship and the form team in the world who may well be the best around.

[Robbie_painter]

Of course it does. Very rare a team has 2 full days to chase a score. If the had only 1 day it would be near impossible

I’ll revisit this tomorrow when we’ve skittled them.

[FCBurnley]

I’ll revisit this tomorrow when we’ve skittled them.

I hope we do

[RVclaret]

Random but Stuart Broad has just announced his retirement from cricket after this test.

[Bosscat]

Of course it does. Very rare a team has 2 full days to chase a score. If the had only 1 day it would be near impossible

Doubt there will be 2 full days of play

[jdrobbo]

Random but Stuart Broad has just announced his retirement from cricket after this test.

Interesting, and I suspect James Anderson saw this coming, because in the last 24 hours, he has said that he definitely wants to continue. Stuart Broad has been nothing short of sensational for England. What a brilliant career and what a fantastic partnership he had with Jimmy. England’s loss will be Notts’ gain. I assume he will continue at county level?

[FCBurnley]

Random but Stuart Broad has just announced his retirement from cricket after this test.

Suspect Jimmy might join him.

[sjb]

Why did Anderson not get a leg bye after the umpire decision was overturned ? The batters had already crossed

Law 23. With DRS even if the umpire's decision is reversed the ball is considered dead from the moment of the incident which caused the 'dismissal.'

[Buxtonclaret]

Athers is doing a 'Broad' video now on Sky.
Great stuff.

[RVclaret]

Interesting, and I suspect James Anderson saw this coming, because in the last 24 hours, he has said that he definitely wants to continue. Stuart Broad has been nothing short of sensational for England. What a brilliant career and what a fantastic partnership he had with Jimmy. England’s loss will be Notts’ gain. I assume he will continue at county level?

He said ‘my last game of cricket’ and mentioned his time with Notts and England so I presume it’s all done with

[FCBurnley]

Law 23. With DRS even if the umpire's decision is reversed the ball is considered dead from the moment of the incident which caused the 'dismissal.'

Thanks I didn’t know that rule. Seems strange not to give any runs scored if decision is overturned or review is lost.

[jdrobbo]

Spot on, and a lot of panic as well.

A very good series between the world test championship and the form team in the world who may well be the best around.

It has been superb.

[jdrobbo]

He said ‘my last game of cricket’ and mentioned his time with Notts and England so I presume it’s all done with

Yeah fair enough. Big call but good on him.

[123EasyasBFC]

Anderson given out but rightly changed on review - umpire Wilson hasn’t had the best of games

Don’t think the umpires have had the greatest of series

[123EasyasBFC]

If I could write the script, Anderson and Broad get 5 wickets each tomorrow and we skittle the Aussies

[Bosscat]

If I could write the script, Anderson and Broad get 5 wickets each tomorrow and we skittle the Aussies

Bairstow takes 5 catches

[Bordeauxclaret]

Fantastic career.

All the best in retirement.

John

[TheFamilyCat]

Law 23. With DRS even if the umpire's decision is reversed the ball is considered dead from the moment of the incident which caused the 'dismissal.'

This could be one for John Holder's "You Are The Umpire": what would happen if there was an LBW appeal, given not out, the batters run a leg bye and there is a run out appeal (requiring 3rd umpire decision)? Do the bowling side review the decision first, meaning the ball would be dead and the run out be ignored, or would the run out be checked first? If the run out was checked first and given not out, could the fielding captain still review the LBW?

[ClaretTony]

Stuart Broad - what a wonderful player he’s been for England. He and Jimmy have been amazing for us for so many years now.

[ashtonlongsider]

I was privileged to see Stuart Broad get his 600th test wicket last week at OT. Both him and Anderson have been a superb partnership over many years and it would be fitting if they were both going out together, however, Jimmy has indicated he wants to carry on. One of the great bowling partnerships, second only to Trueman and Statham imo.

[Taffy on the wing]

Random but Stuart Broad has just announced his retirement from cricket after this test.

Surprising!......he's been terrific in this series.

[expoultryboy]

It makes you feel very old after watching his father Chris play for many years .

[FCBurnley]

This could be one for John Holder's "You Are The Umpire": what would happen if there was an LBW appeal, given not out, the batters run a leg bye and there is a run out appeal (requiring 3rd umpire decision)? Do the bowling side review the decision first, meaning the ball would be dead and the run out be ignored, or would the run out be checked first? If the run out was checked first and given not out, could the fielding captain still review the LBW?

And add to that it was the last ball of the game with 1 needed to win then the bowling team would automatically review as this would mean it was a dead ball send of game with no run scored lol

[FCBurnley]

Should have said The Aussies would automatically review !!!!

[Spijed]

With Wood limited due to injury and age as well, it looks like England will have to rely very heavily on their batting as their bowling attack might be a bit poorer without Wood, Anderson (might not be a guaranteed selection) and Broad in the next few years.

[warksclaret]

Stuart Broad - what a wonderful player he’s been for England. He and Jimmy have been amazing for us for so many years now.

Could not agree more CT. I have become very fond of both Anderson & Broad .Anderson for being in particular a a sensational bowler amd Burnley product, but Broad through his brilliance at bowling and the manner in which he plays the game. Both have massively contributed to English cricket and these two must have been the fear of all the major cricketing nations for many years. Will there ever be two better English fast bowlers-definitely not in my life time

[sjb]

This could be one for John Holder's "You Are The Umpire": what would happen if there was an LBW appeal, given not out, the batters run a leg bye and there is a run out appeal (requiring 3rd umpire decision)? Do the bowling side review the decision first, meaning the ball would be dead and the run out be ignored, or would the run out be checked first? If the run out was checked first and given not out, could the fielding captain still review the LBW?

Both decisions could be reviewed and the outcomes would either be out LBW, not out, out run out or not out.If the LBW proves to be out then no review is needed for the run out. In this case the ball immediately becomes dead at the point of the incident which caused the LBW appeal. Ultimately no matter what the outcome of either appeal, no runs are scored.

Simple eh?

[sjb]

And add to that it was the last ball of the game with 1 needed to win then the bowling team would automatically review as this would mean it was a dead ball send of game with no run scored lol

That is a loophole in the Law which has been questioned a few times - Jos Buttler brought it up last year & I believe the ICC is to review it.

[sjb]

Both decisions could be reviewed and the outcomes would either be out LBW, not out, out run out or not out.If the LBW proves to be out then no review is needed for the run out. In this case the ball immediately becomes dead at the point of the incident which caused the LBW appeal. Ultimately no matter what the outcome of either appeal, no runs are scored.

Simple eh?

I should have been clearer that the run out review request can only come from the on field umpire not the fielding side.

[CoolClaret]

Must say I am a bit surprised!

I thought he’d call it after the next series down under - not far off Anil Kumble either in the all time test match wicket taker list.

It’ll be very interesting to see the direction / team that England go with for the series in India in 5/6 month time.

I wonder if they pick the best available team or pick some slightly more inexperienced players looking to be ready for the next Ashes down under.

End of an era though - Broad has been just magnificent for so long.

[dsr]

This could be one for John Holder's "You Are The Umpire": what would happen if there was an LBW appeal, given not out, the batters run a leg bye and there is a run out appeal (requiring 3rd umpire decision)? Do the bowling side review the decision first, meaning the ball would be dead and the run out be ignored, or would the run out be checked first? If the run out was checked first and given not out, could the fielding captain still review the LBW?

It's only if the umpire gives lbw that the ball becomes dead. If the umpire gives not out then play continues as usual and the leg bye (or run out) counts, and the fielding captain's review doesn't make the ball dead. Of course if the lbw is given on appeal then the leg bye is irrelevant.

Here's another question, or even two questions.

1. If the ball flicks the pad and goes to the wicket keeper who stumps the batsman, and the bowling umpire gives lbw, does that mean that if the lbw is overturned the ball is dead so the stumping won't count?

1A. In that case, what happens if the fielding captain withdraws the appeal for lbw? Or is it too late once the review process has started?

2. What about if the ball hits the pad and then hits the bat and is caught, and the umpire gives lbw? If the batsman appeals and the lbw is overturned, does the catch still count? (In this case, almost certainly yes, I would think, because the appeal review looks at all forms of dismissal, caught, lbw, even bowled. But I am willing to be corrected.)

[Quickenthetempo]

Stuart Broad hit his final ball in Cricket for 6.

How cool is that?

[TheFamilyCat]

It's only if the umpire gives lbw that the ball becomes dead. If the umpire gives not out then play continues as usual and the leg bye (or run out) counts, and the fielding captain's review doesn't make the ball dead. Of course if the lbw is given on appeal then the leg bye is irrelevant.

Here's another question, or even two questions.

1. If the ball flicks the pad and goes to the wicket keeper who stumps the batsman, and the bowling umpire gives lbw, does that mean that if the lbw is overturned the ball is dead so the stumping won't count?

1A. In that case, what happens if the fielding captain withdraws the appeal for lbw? Or is it too late once the review process has started?

2. What about if the ball hits the pad and then hits the bat and is caught, and the umpire gives lbw? If the batsman appeals and the lbw is overturned, does the catch still count? (In this case, almost certainly yes, I would think, because the appeal review looks at all forms of dismissal, caught, lbw, even bowled. But I am willing to be corrected.)

That's not what the law quoted earlier (that prompted my question) said: Law 23. With DRS even if the umpire's decision is reversed the ball is considered dead from the moment of the incident which caused the 'dismissal.'

[daveisaclaret]

That's not what the law quoted earlier (that prompted my question) said: Law 23. With DRS even if the umpire's decision is reversed the ball is considered dead from the moment of the incident which caused the 'dismissal.'

The law you are quoting agrees with dsr's post. If the umpire gives not out and the review is not out then there isn't an incident which causes a dismissal so the ball isn't dead.