MNF

[Colheap]

That is an absolutely scandalous decision! To not even refer that is horrendous. What is VAR for? That is penalty all day long and Wolves would deserved at least a draw from that game. Onana clearly took the Wolves guy out nowhere near the ball. I despair!!

[JellyBaby]

And THAT’S why we all hate Man U

[claptrappers_union]

Wolves manager was booked for showing some emotion and expressing an opinion about the incident too. Seriously, how did we make referees believe the sport is all about them?

This is just week one!

I'm honestly beginning to think the game will better played without the interference of match officials with schoolyard rules... It can't be any worse

[4midable]

Wolves should have won by 2 or 3 easy

[ClaretTony]

Who were we playing when our player was cleaned out by the goalkeeper, and no pen?

Norwich, when the goalkeeper actually punched Vydra.

[Marty Dobson]

I'm slow to believe in conspiracy theories but if someone suggested the VAR officials had money on Man Ure to win I might just believe it.

[Tricky Trevor]

Who were we playing when our player was cleaned out by the goalkeeper, and no pen?

Meslier took out Ben Mee at Bellend Rd. Barnes put it in the net and we didn’t get the pen or the goal. Jones with the whistle, Oliver on VAR, winkers.

[claptrappers_union]

On Saturday Tarky ‘fouled’ the Fulham keeper who dropped the ball while landing on the floor - Everton's goal was disallowed.

Nick Pope did the same thing, I think at Newcastle a couple of seasons ago and the goal was given.

I don't know the rules anymore.

[addisclaret]

Who was the VAR official tonight? Not asking as a joke, just wondering; but expecting a few Stevie Wonders etc in the answers

[Silkyskills1]

Who was the VAR official tonight? Not asking as a joke, just wondering; but expecting a few Stevie Wonders etc in the answers

Michael Salisbury, I believe.

[addisclaret]

Michael Salisbury, I believe.

Thanks.

[scouseclaret]

Who was the VAR official tonight? Not asking as a joke, just wondering; but expecting a few Stevie Wonders etc in the answers

This guy…

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[JimmyRobbo]

I haven't seen the decision but my opinion of VAR hasn't changed since it was introduced.

Initially, I thought it would be a great idea. Unfortunately, it appears that there are always fine margins but there are still many grey areas where decisions can go either way...

The result is that the big clubs get 2 bites at the decisions going in their favour. That is what it's turned in to. Hardly ever will the smaller clubs, like our good selves, be given the rub of the green over the likes of the big 6, or 7, or 8 or whatever they now are.

[Vegas Claret]

it's ok, PGMOL have apologized to Gary O'Neil and Wolves, that helps them.

[Steve1956]

it's ok, PGMOL have apologized to Gary O'Neil and Wolves, that helps them.

Is that correct?,I'd make them all go back to Old Trafford and play that penalty...that's a shocker..what if Wolves go down by a point will they apolagise again ...football has gone.

[ksrclaret]

PGMOL's Jon Moss has contacted Gary O'Neil to apologise and admit that Wolves should have been award a penalty because it was a clear and obvious error.

WTAF. It stinks. The on-field ref wasn't even sent to the monitor.

[Devils_Advocate]

Whilst it's disappointing the correct decision wasn't given in the game I think you have to give the PGMOL a lot of credit for coming out so quickly to admit their error and apologise for it

[ksrclaret]

Whilst that's a valid way of looking at it, I'm perplexed as to why the VAR official was unable to see something so obvious that the PGMOL have had to apologise immediately for it.

[Vegas Claret]

Whilst it's disappointing the correct decision wasn't given in the game I think you have to give the PGMOL a lot of credit for coming out so quickly to admit their error and apologise for it

you're so slight with your devils advocacy I can't tell if you are being serious or not ?

[Funkydrummer]

I knew there was a reason that I don't watch any premier league games
other than our own. I even resent having to watch us against manyoo as
I regard them as utterly detestable.

Not sure I'm going to enjoy this season, but I'll give it a good go, that's for sure.
Here's hoping for a good season.

As for tonight, I've seen the penalty incident on YouTube and can't help wondering
if certain people aren't on special payrolls. Corrupt doesn't begin to explain it IMO.

[Rowls]

The result is that the big clubs get 2 bites at the decisions going in their favour.

Brilliantly put, sir.

[Rick_Muller]

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[Hipper]

The non pen was not about corruption, just, as Commy says above, that goalkeepers seem to be able to do anything and it's allowed as they are trying to catch the ball. It's wrong and should be addressed. Do that outfield and it's a foul.

This was a frenetic match, quite frightening in pace and physicality. I've seen them before in The Premier League - Aston Villa vs Leeds springs to mind - and I don't like watching them. It's all stop start - the ball is won, then lost, then won again. Fitness, power and nimble feet is extraordinary. When I look at Bundesliga matches, which is not often, they seem to be like this. Very little chance of a nice calculated build up which I enjoy. I hope this is not a trend.

That Cuhna for Wolves made some sweeping runs, as did Nunes - that was the most exciting part to this match. Shame Wolves couldn't put one in the net but Onana impressed by looking solid apart from the penalty incident.

[claretonthecoast1882]

The incident showed exactly why VAR can't work fully in this country.

Salisbury who was doing VAR last night made a serious error last season while doing VAR duties and he was stopped from refereeing as punishment. Then last night when faced with a simple task he wasn't up to awarded a penalty at Old Trafford to the away team which would have changed the result.

As long as you have either cowards or inept/cheats involved in decision making nothing will change

[Colburn_Claret]

Whilst it's disappointing the correct decision wasn't given in the game I think you have to give the PGMOL a lot of credit for coming out so quickly to admit their error and apologise for it

There can't be any credit, unless the referee in the VAR studio is relegated for it.
Players get punished for their mistakes, when a ref makes a mistake, as clear and obvious as this one, then they have to be punished. It is the only way to address the obvious bias still present in Premier League football.

[Spijed]

At the very least things could be a lot more understandable if they explained why they came to last night's decision.

An apology alone still leaves many supporters thinking there is a bias towards the bigger clubs.

[Carport]

The incident showed exactly why VAR can't work fully in this country.

Salisbury who was doing VAR last night made a serious error last season while doing VAR duties and he was stopped from refereeing as punishment. Then last night when faced with a simple task he wasn't up to awarded a penalty at Old Trafford to the away team which would have changed the result.

As long as you have either cowards or inept/cheats involved in decision making nothing will change

He wasn’t there to award a penalty. He had the far simpler task of telling the ref to look at the monitor!

[Hibsclaret]

There’s no way they can explain it tbh. Stevie Wonder gives that penalty. As soon as I saw it in real time I said pen. I think 99% of people would think the same and yet the bloke with the best view in the house can’t give it. You can’t really apologise for it when it’s so bad.

Someone has mentioned the keeper protection issue and it was similar to our one at Leeds the other season. Tarky was penalised against Fulham at the weekend when he was just stood there. You can’t have a game where keepers are treat so differently to outfield players. If the ball has gone and an outfield player is as late with a tackle as that keeper was last night a foul is given.

It has taken one weekend to remind us of the bs that the prem has become. After things like the Barnes handball at Spurs that helped send us down. These horrendous decisions cost teams points and places in the league. It stinks tbh.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Another season and more poor decisions from inept or biased officials! Say it every season too many of them love being part of ‘the show’.

[Vincent'sCap]

Has Salisbury been sacked yet?
Get rid,another cheat who will continue to punish the smaller clubs in favour of the big six,the Premier League really is corrupt and I for one will not really be to bothered if we depart it next May.

[jlup1980]

We've seen the true colours of the PGMOL already. City, United and Spurs have all benefitted. The issue is how VAR is used. If you're a top six side you get the on field decision in your favour. That's almost becoming a given - at least 90% of the time with these 50/50's. It then gets reviewed and isn't overturned unless it's clear and obvious.

[nil_desperandum]

From the 11th of April this year - so not long ago. He should forfeit his match fee and be permanently relieved of VAR duties.

"The PGMOL has dropped Michael Salisbury from refereeing duties for this weekend's Premier League fixtures after his controversial mistake in Brighton's loss to Tottenham. Salisbury was the VAR official when Stuart Attwell missed a trip on Kaoru Mitoma in the box with the score at 1-1. He failed to overturn the decision and the PGMOL subsequently apologised and admitted a mistake had been made."

[ŽižkovClaret]

It looks like Karen Cearney is playing Twister now

No offence to the knowledgeable Carney, but she wouldn't be my first pick for that

[Roosterbooster]

Onana's comments are baffling. When asked of it was a penalty:

"No, goalkeepers make decisions, sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not. I made a decision and I am responsible for everything. For me it was contact between two big guys and nothing happened"

But something did happen. He clattered another player who was knocked to the ground. He is essentially lying, whilst also admitting that he fouled the player

[Guller Bull]

Could have sworn there was booing when players were taking the knee? Can't see it reported anywhere so I guess I must be wrong.

[ashtonlongsider]

Wolves were very impressive. If there expected to be a relegation candidate, based on last night's performance, I'm getting worried. A blatant penalty imo, but it's never a level playing field, even with VAR.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Hooper & Salisbury both removed from officiating this weekend

[Rowls]

Onana's comments are baffling. When asked of it was a penalty:

"No, goalkeepers make decisions, sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not. I made a decision and I am responsible for everything. For me it was contact between two big guys and nothing happened"

But something did happen. He clattered another player who was knocked to the ground. He is essentially lying, whilst also admitting that he fouled the player

Yeah but he's not the arbiter of the decision. We've not learned anything constructive from his answer. What's more important is understanding how the referees come to these decisions.

What I'd really like to know is the conversation going on between the referee and the players on the pitch, and the conversation between the referee and the VAR official. What were they saying? Why isn't their decision making transparent?

It would be much easier to forgive mistakes if we knew they were being made in an honest manner. What exactly was the VAR official thinking or saying as he watched 3 or 4 replays from multiple angles of the foul?

What, for example, was the officialese conversation when Vydra was nearly knocked out cold by Krul?

"Hi Lee, can you review the incident please. I've awarded a corner."
"Certainly Kevin, just checking the footage now.... hmmmmm ... there's some punchment of the facial area there. There's definite contact but of course contact doesn't mean it's a foul."
"So is it a penalty?"
"Well ... it's a contact game and perhaps he goes down a little easily. In fact, he barely looked conscious which explains that. One things for certain though, it isn't a corner. It's a goal kick or a penalty."
"Understood. We'll stick with a corner then."

I understand how people misinterpret rules or have different interpretations of rules (handball, the "right" to go down when there is "contact" etc) within the definitions of the rules.

However, this is different. It is not credible that they are discussing the merits of these incidents with any level of honesty or integrity. They wouldn't be able to reach these decisions if they were discussing them with integrity.

[Rowls]

What we need is referees wearing microphones and transparent decision making.

[Darnhill Claret]

As it was also reckless and dangerous, it should have been a penalty and a red card.

[summitclaret]

What we need is referees wearing microphones and transparent decision making.

It's so obvious and there can only be 1 reason for it not happening.

It works really well in Rugby and cricket and I have yet to disagree with any eventual decision having heard the discussions.

[Rick_Muller]

It's so obvious and there can only be 1 reason for it not happening.

It works really well in Rugby and cricket and I have yet to disagree with any eventual decision having heard the discussions.

By that do you mean the usual obscene language used by players and others around the ref during a game? An answer to that would be to use the disciplinary rules already in place regarding bringing the game into disrepute. It would stop so much that is bad about football, but I think it would also remove much of what makes it a television spectacle that is worth billions to the industry. Without the controversy there is no spectacle ( not necessarily my opinion though)

[ClaretTony]

None of the ref last night, the VAR man last night and the AVAR man have been given a game this weekend.

[THEWELLERNUT70]

Salisbury stood down yet again in recent months from VAR dutues for a round of PL matches ( the 1st after his car crash performance in the Spurs v Brighton game) where he actually ended up reffing us as punishment

[Rowls]

By that do you mean the usual obscene language used by players and others around the ref during a game? An answer to that would be to use the disciplinary rules already in place regarding bringing the game into disrepute. It would stop so much that is bad about football, but I think it would also remove much of what makes it a television spectacle that is worth billions to the industry. Without the controversy there is no spectacle ( not necessarily my opinion though)

Yes, the bad language is a strong part of it. We can all lip read to see the constant swearing.

It’s part of a much wider malaise: the officials long ago surrendered control and authority at the top echelons of the game. That is what they are scared of being exposed.