England v Italy

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Just the point needed for qualification for Euro 2024 in Germany.

Literally wouldn’t shock me if Gareth set up for a 0-0 draw. We should be ripping teams to shreds with the young talent we have at our disposal.

He plenty of plastic chairs being thrown in Germany that’s for sure.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:58 pm

It would be foolish to criticise Southgate with his record but he really pushes his luck.
Starting with an off form Rashford and Maguire, Phillips and Stones who have had very little first team action this season.
He always seems to come up smelling of roses though , is tonight going to be any different ?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:01 pm

Put Saka in that team and it’s arguably our best eleven

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:02 pm

It makes me laugh how people criticise Southgate for picking out of form players but it’s alright when Vincent does it.

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:16 pm

Id have Dunk over Maguire
Grealish over Rashford
Gallagher over Philips

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:18 pm

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:15 pm
We should be ripping teams to shreds with the young talent we have at our disposal.

Tbf, aside from Kane every other striker England have is mediocre at best, and the defence isn't that good either when put under pressure.

boyyanno · Post by **boyyanno** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:31 pm

Spijed wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:18 pm
Tbf, aside from Kane every other striker England have is mediocre at best, and the defence isn't that good either when put under pressure.

We've struggled for centre backs since Terry and Ferdinand to be honest. Walker is right up there with the best defenders in the world though.

Personally think England have got more than enough quality to win a tournament, just maybe not the right character. You only need a couple of world class players and everyone else to be good players but also consistent performers imo. I think we fall short in the last bit. I think about managers like Fergie who used unfashionable players for specific roles and feel that if you built on a framework of Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Foden, Saka, Walker, Stones- you've enough quality to compete with the very best.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:34 pm

Stones and Walker easily 2 of the best in the world.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:39 pm

Florian wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:16 pm
Id have Dunk over Maguire
Grealish over Rashford
Gallagher over Philips

This. All day long this.

Oh, and a left back at left back please.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:44 pm

Florian wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:16 pm
Id have Dunk over Maguire
Grealish over Rashford
Gallagher over Philips

I wouldn’t start any of the players you said

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:48 pm

Minutes silence for Isreal booed.

Do we just boo everything and anything ??

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:49 pm

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:48 pm
Minutes silence for Isreal booed.

Do we just boo everything and anything ??

I thought the minutes' silence was for the two fans killed in Belgium?

Either way, some folk are obviously incapable of being quiet for 60 seconds!

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:54 pm

I think it mentioned both on the screen.

Stones didn’t look impressed.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:03 pm

Oh dear.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:03 pm

Poor from Rashford.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:09 pm

Good goal ....all started by their goalie doing a Muric.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 pm

How did he have all that space for their goal!?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:15 pm

Peno England

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:15 pm

Lovely move to win the penalty.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:17 pm

No idea why that took so long.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:18 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:17 pm
No idea why that took so long.

Ridiculous. Where are they / who is responsible for VAR in internationals?

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:18 pm

VAR gives it.

Scored (Kane)
1-1

Florian · Post by **Florian** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:18 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:15 pm
Peno England

Get in

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:18 pm

Loves a pen does big H.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:19 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:18 pm
Ridiculous. Where are they / who is responsible for VAR in internationals?

Darren Italy.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:19 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:19 pm
Darren Italy.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:20 pm

Nice one, Riley

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:24 pm

The way we’re being exploited on the counter goes some way to explain why Southgate plays two holding midfielders. Phillips seems to be far too advanced when we lose possession and Trippier is getting minimal help from Rashford.

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:24 pm

Wish that drummer would feck off

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:28 pm

Phillips desperately needs to get out of Citeh and start playing regularly again. There wasn’t much in him and Rice when they broke through but he’s miles off Rice currently.

BTW. VAR is a Frenchman who was looking for any reason to overturn the pen

expoultryboy · Post by **expoultryboy** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:36 pm

Our defence is awful tonight plus Phillips looks well off the pace .

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:44 pm

Bellinam from Birminam getting the Scott and Cole treatment at half time.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:45 pm

Trippier at fault for their goal - though why anyone would play a specialised RB at LB I really don't know.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:46 pm

Interesting move from Channel 4 getting The Fonz in as a pundit.

groove · Post by **groove** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:49 pm

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 7:48 pm
Minutes silence for Isreal booed.

Do we just boo everything and anything ??

Should we have a minutes silence for everything and anything?

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:53 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:45 pm
Trippier at fault for their goal - though why anyone would play a specialised RB at LB I really don't know.

Been poor defensively, doesn't know whether to go tight or stand off, Berardi is cutting in on his left and Trippier stands 5/6 yards off given him the option to shoot or pass to the overlap.
This is why Southgate won't win us anything we look good on the ball but soon as we're put under pressure we aren't organised as a team and look all over the show.
Shouldn't play two centre halves that have started one league game between them this season

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:53 pm

It’s a crucial game as against a friendly. Philips has very little game time at City, how’s he get to start. We lack some creativity in midfield, is Maddison on the bench, I’ve not seen the list.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:02 pm

dougcollins wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:45 pm
Trippier at fault for their goal - though why anyone would play a specialised RB at LB I really don't know.

Probably because he’s not England’s best right back but is better than all of England’s left backs. The game has changed, players are versatile and able to adapt to different positions. Foden is a left footed player playing on the right and Rashford is a right footed player playing on the left.

Trippier is a battle-hardened, experienced player and someone who Southgate clearly rates highly enough to use in an unorthodox way. I don’t really see a problem with it.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:03 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:53 pm
We lack some creativity in midfield

This didn’t age well

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:03 pm

Rashford scores.

addisclaret · Post by **addisclaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:04 pm

Proper goal that one

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:05 pm

Brilliant goal

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:06 pm

Brilliant goal.
Now another chance to see if GS can coach a lead. On the performance so far I’d take them to score again but the substitutions are vital.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:06 pm

Bellingham is on his own Planet.

ClaretsPadiham · Post by **ClaretsPadiham** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:06 pm

Bellingham is the best player in the world no joke.

Scary he’s only 20, he could literally be the best complete player ever.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:07 pm

From the sublime to the ridiculous from Bellingham, awful play acting.

Volvoclaret · Post by **Volvoclaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:12 pm

When did Brendan O'Connell become Italian Manager?

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:12 pm

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:06 pm
Bellingham is the best player in the world no joke.

Scary he’s only 20, he could literally be the best complete player ever.

A lot of hype but I totally agree. Unbelievable talent.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:13 pm

Phillips lucky to stay on after a very lazy challenge ends up as a stamp.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Tue Oct 17, 2023 9:14 pm

Glad to see the back of Stones, his position for the goal aside he's not played a pass that hasn't been bland and innocuous all evening, more than once allowing a stretched Italian side the few extra seconds needed to regroup