Club update following supporter feedback

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:03 pm

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... r-feedback

1989_claret · Post by **1989_claret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:05 pm

No drum and safe standing areas. Doesn’t exactly say no drum but thankfully doesn’t mention one.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:05 pm

I’m assuming that the PA system will be working order with suitable sound levels for the “newly improved music playlist”

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:10 pm

Hopefully they stop playing loud music right up to ko time, which doesn't allow fans to create any pre-match noise/atmosphere.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:11 pm

Given they haven’t had a FAB meeting since early last month and given the safety advisory group meeting is next week, I wouldn’t read too much into that piece from the club. Do they really understand is the question I keep asking given last week’s patronising email and now this.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:12 pm

1989_claret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:05 pm
No drum and safe standing areas. Doesn’t exactly say no drum but thankfully doesn’t mention one.

Drums still wouldn’t surprise me given who it is that wants it but mercifully no mention.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:18 pm

Kompany wants the drums.

I think the FAB is a sham isn't it. Complete lip service

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:25 pm

Well done to the club.

ChristheViking · Post by **ChristheViking** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:26 pm

As I'm seeing this - they've asked a question. They've got some feedback. They've listened. They've responded.

Exactly what I'd hope they be doing.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:32 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:05 pm
I’m assuming that the PA system will be working order with suitable sound levels for the “newly improved music playlist”

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:12 pm
Drums still wouldn’t surprise me given who it is that wants it but mercifully no mention.

Will it include "Dance with the devil" by Cosy Powell on the Drums
Or "Let there be drums" Sandy Nelson

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:33 pm

I think it’s a desperate, shame that all of the supporters groups and their collective body, BFCSG, were in effect, completely dismissed and silenced, despite years and years of hard work, linking club to fan (many). What has become strikingly more apparent is just how far off the ‘Burnley Page’ the people involved seem to now be.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:35 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:33 pm
I think it’s a desperate, shame that all of the supporters groups and their collective body, BFCSG, were in effect, completely dismissed and silenced, despite years and years of hard work, linking club to fan (many). What has become strikingly more apparent is just how far off the ‘Burnley Page’ the people involved seem to now be.

Out with the old, in with the new.

burnmark · Post by **burnmark** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:36 pm

Might be controversial but I think it’s time to do away with ‘Heroes’ and ‘Times Like These’ and a change brought in. Just hope it’s not the run of the mill ‘Freed From Desire’ etc that everyone seems to play.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:36 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:33 pm
I think it’s a desperate, shame that all of the supporters groups and their collective body, BFCSG, were in effect, completely dismissed and silenced, despite years and years of hard work, linking club to fan (many). What has become strikingly more apparent is just how far off the ‘Burnley Page’ the people involved seem to now be.

Did they not involve more fans this way by emailing them, instead of just the fans groups?

Accrington claret · Post by **Accrington claret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:41 pm

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:18 pm
Kompany wants the drums.

I think the FAB is a sham isn't it. Complete lip service

Don't think Kompany has said he wants a drum has he ?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:50 pm

I’m not sure the powers that be really ‘get it’, but they certainly listen to the social media noise from the fans which I guess is a good thing.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:50 pm

Accrington claret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:41 pm
Don't think Kompany has said he wants a drum has he ?

Was his idea yes

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:53 pm

Accrington claret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:41 pm
Don't think Kompany has said he wants a drum has he ?

GetIntoEm has a history of making things up to pretend he's in the know, so I wouldn't take anything this poster says to be true unless others can confirm as well.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:10 pm

Basically in the same article as the possible drum being introduced it said Kompany wants a better atmosphere at Turf Moor but no direct link between Kompany wanting a better atmosphere and Kompany specifically asking for a drum.

Someone is adding 2+2 and getting 5.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:11 pm
Given they haven’t had a FAB meeting since early last month and given the safety advisory group meeting is next week, I wouldn’t read too much into that piece from the club. Do they really understand is the question I keep asking given last week’s patronising email and now this.

it doesn't say anything about having meetings. It says following feedback, we know they monitor socials, we know they read direct messaging too.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:18 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:12 pm
Drums still wouldn’t surprise me given who it is that wants it but mercifully no mention.

Any chance to have a dig. Boring after a while I'm afraid

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:27 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:50 pm
I’m not sure the powers that be really ‘get it’, but they certainly listen to the social media noise from the fans which I guess is a good thing.

I've certainly been asked for my views, either by email or social media than under any other ownership, and more than any fan group has ever done.

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:29 pm

Bob Lord safe standing sorted

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Nicked off twitter

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:30 pm

Can’t really knock the club on this one. We had years of fans moaning about the lack of communication from previous boards and now we have moaning when they try to take on ideas after acting on feedback.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:44 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:30 pm
Can’t really knock the club on this one. We had years of fans moaning about the lack of communication from previous boards and now we have moaning when they try to take on ideas after acting on feedback.

I think it also shows that fan groups / committees etc have had their day, in the modern world the club can communicate direct with fans and get a wider range of views.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:45 pm

VK seemed to distance himself from the drum idea in a recent interview.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:46 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:53 pm
GetIntoEm has a history of making things up to pretend he's in the know, so I wouldn't take anything this poster says to be true unless others can confirm as well.

Really are a bore

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:49 pm

The club seemed to be pretty lose lose on that email to supporters.

There was an advert for a drummer and loads of people complained they'd not been consulted and then the club sent an email out and loads of people complained about that.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:51 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:36 pm
Did they not involve more fans this way by emailing them, instead of just the fans groups?

It’s an interesting take… the club never emailed fans groups. Ever.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:57 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:51 pm
It’s an interesting take… the club never emailed fans groups. Ever.

Why would they if they were emailing fans directly?....it sort of cuts out the middleman

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:00 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:12 pm
Drums still wouldn’t surprise me given who it is that wants it but mercifully no mention.

Is it Kompany that wants them? If so, they should’ve said and explained what they hoped to achieve via their introduction and it may have received a better response.

FWIW prior to this debate I could not’ve been more opposed to a drum. Doubt you’d have found anyone more against them. My son however was more open minded and having watched a video of the team that played Liverpool this week using one walking through Liverpool and watching a European game at the weekend, I think they may have use in very limited circumstances/parts of the ground/game.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:03 pm

I actually prefer the fact that they've not just asked supporter's clubs, but everyone. Supporter's clubs are not really reflective of the modern fan.

And yes Kompany wants a drum

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:08 pm

Good that safe standing is going to happen soon

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 pm

ChristheViking wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 6:26 pm
As I'm seeing this - they've asked a question. They've got some feedback. They've listened. They've responded.

Exactly what I'd hope they be doing.

Pretty much how I see things.

What’s particularly exciting for me is that they’re making these changes quickly. I think they’ve delayed so long on safe standing, their position in regard to the standers in the lower longside and also to complain about atmosphere was on pretty shaky ground, but they now seem to be getting stuff sorted.

Whilst some will understandably complain about the badly worded email & rightly so, I do think that the need to generate a better atmosphere is a problem that needed to be faced in to and acted upon by the club so big respect to them for that.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 pm

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:03 pm
I actually prefer the fact that they've not just asked supporter's clubs, but everyone. Supporter's clubs are not really reflective of the modern fan.

And yes Kompany wants a drum

How have they asked everyone? I don't know anyone who's been asked.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:12 pm

GetIntoEm wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:03 pm
I actually prefer the fact that they've not just asked supporter's clubs, but everyone. Supporter's clubs are not really reflective of the modern fan.

And yes Kompany wants a drum

I could’ve got more behind it in that case.

I think they could have a role in creating an atmosphere, just maybe not in the ground or with very selective use.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:13 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 pm
How have they asked everyone? I don't know anyone who's been asked.

They did a questionnaire.

Which I didn’t fill in. I just complain on here & hope they read it

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:15 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 pm
How have they asked everyone? I don't know anyone who's been asked.

Did you not get the email?
I know loads who got the email, and obviously many on here did, and gave their views that appear to have been taken on board

Grahamjack · Post by **Grahamjack** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:19 pm

Last week my son and I were fortunate to watch PSG v AC Milan.

The atmosphere was incredible. Pyros fireworks flags and drums. ACMilan Ultras also employed 3 guys with mega phones. The atmosphere never dropped throughout 90 mins.

AC Milan were 3 down but still the songs rang out.

Would love the turf to have something similar drum or no drum

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:21 pm

How much difference is safe standing going to make? It’ll probably be in the cricket field stand….where everyone already stands. Pointless.

And generally they stand with their mates and not in their allocated seat which then makes that section of the ground look half full.

Would be better having the whole cricket field end for home fans and shove away fans down the side near the tunnel or having safe standing in one or both of the lower tiers.

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:33 pm

Credit where due, listened and a very welcome set of albeit minor things apart from safe standing. Nothing that should worsen things.

If we all stick together, one club for all, we have a chance to thrive.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:36 pm

Seems positive from the club. They are clearly wanting to listen to a broader number of supporters. If there are gaps in their mailing list they need to look at resolving that, but they deserve credit for the intentions to consult wider and acting on the feedback they've received.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:38 pm

The first thing they should address is the really poor quality sound system throughout the ground. It’s been absolutely awful for years.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:43 pm

Seems like the club is trying to help improve things for those who attend matches but it would be nice for them to also think about the fans who watch the game on TV. I thought the drum was an excellent idea and I think it would have really enhanced the viewing experience for us armchair supporters but a bit of whinging from the so called "proper fans" and the club chicken out.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:52 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 7:57 pm
Why would they if they were emailing fans directly?....it sort of cuts out the middleman

Nori, you clearly implied that they did (email supporters groups). Come on, own it

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:57 pm

Grahamjack wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:19 pm
Last week my son and I were fortunate to watch PSG v AC Milan.

The atmosphere was incredible. Pyros fireworks flags and drums. ACMilan Ultras also employed 3 guys with mega phones. The atmosphere never dropped throughout 90 mins.

AC Milan were 3 down but still the songs rang out.

Would love the turf to have something similar drum or no drum

Kompany alluded to the differences in English and European atmospheres in his presser recently.

Agree that in England the atmospheres are not a patch on Europe and they put us to shame in the way they support throughout regardless of scoreline.

I think drums are tinpot and annoying but to your point, may have a place in creating a better atmosphere.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:58 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:38 pm
The first thing they should address is the really poor quality sound system throughout the ground. It’s been absolutely awful for years.

We were told that this was being addressed…it’s as bad as it’s been for well over a decade. It’s the simple things that are missing…

The player boards outside the ground not restored

Reasonably priced refreshments served quickly and to a good standard.

Being trusted to behave like an adult rather than being told either by screen or microphone, 20-30 times during a game what we are not allowed to do.

Having an MC who respectfully calls out the opposition names rather than deliberately mumbles.

It’s these things that create a foundation for a better matchday experience and atmosphere….assuming that the team are also doing their bit too.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:08 pm

jdrobbo wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:52 pm
Nori, you clearly implied that they did (email supporters groups). Come on, own it

I think you've misunderstood my original post
I was saying they've involved the supporters by emailing them, not just involving the fans club, perhaps not worded the best way, but not sure it deserves the laughing faces

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:43 pm
Seems like the club is trying to help improve things for those who attend matches but it would be nice for them to also think about the fans who watch the game on TV. I thought the drum was an excellent idea and I think it would have really enhanced the viewing experience for us armchair supporters but a bit of whinging from the so called "proper fans" and the club chicken out.

The streets on the walk up to the ground should also have the razzmatazz of Vegas.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:13 pm

Leisure wrote: ↑
Mon Oct 30, 2023 8:11 pm
How have they asked everyone? I don't know anyone who's been asked.

They asked on the socials for certain. They are never going to be in a position to ask everyone imho, and even if they did how long do they wait for a response ? A week, a month ? There is no ideal scenario here