Should we refuse to have these refs.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:42 pm

Apparently 3 Premier League refs support our rivals,
Craig Pawson Sheff Utd
David Coote is from Nottingham but not sure who he supports,but hasn’t reffed any Nottingham games.
Stuart Atwell Luton.
Wouldn’t be too happy them reffing any of our matches.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:57 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:42 pm
Apparently 3 Premier League refs support our rivals,
Craig Pawson Sheff Utd
David Coote is from Nottingham but not sure who he supports,but hasn’t reffed any Nottingham games.
Stuart Atwell Luton.
Wouldn’t be too happy them reffing any of our matches.

Why?

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:08 pm

Welcome back my friend Nori being confrontational already,I would have thought most Burnley fans would understand why.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:15 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:08 pm
Welcome back my friend Nori being confrontational already,I would have thought most Burnley fans would understand why.

Hi carwin.... Its not me who's been away, but any way Not sure why it's confrontational

Most refs will support a team, and iam sure we've been reffed many times by refs who's team could be affected by the result of the game, as have many other teams, so I was asking why the 3 you mentioned are any different

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:19 pm

Irs unavoidable really, there isnt likely to be a big queue of non-football fans wanting to be referee's. So we have to truat the authorities to deal with is as best they can and the refs to maintain their professionalism.

JimmyRobbo · Post by **JimmyRobbo** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:24 pm

I hoestly don't think it matters who they support. In some cases, it could arguably work in the opposite direction.

Ability is a bigger issue. Ours and theirs!

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:40 pm

Imagine going to the last game of the season and we need to beat Forest to stop up ,Stuart Atwell is referee and if we lose Luton stop up,I would have thought there may be a conflict of interest especially having seen what an avid fan of Tranmere Mike Dean is,it’s only human nature.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:42 pm

Goliath wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:19 pm
Irs unavoidable really, there isnt likely to be a big queue of non-football fans wanting to be referee's. So we have to truat the authorities to deal with is as best they can and the refs to maintain their professionalism.

After seeing how various clubs are treated with VAR I wouldn’t trust the authorities as far as I could throw them.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:44 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:40 pm
Imagine going to the last game of the season and we need to beat Forest to stop up ,Stuart Atwell is referee and if we lose Luton stop up,I would have thought there may be a conflict of interest especially having seen what an avid fan of Tranmere Mike Dean is,it’s only human nature.

Do you think Mike Dean ever reffed a game to dobTranmere a favour

I don't.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm

Bosscat wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:44 pm
Do you think Mike Dean ever reffed a game to dobTranmere a favour I don't.

I wasn’t saying that I was suggesting than even refs can be fanatical football fans and all common sense can go out the window.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:53 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:49 pm
I wasn’t saying that I was suggesting than even refs can be fanatical football fans and all common sense can go out the window.

Why didn't you say that in your post then ...

Because it looked like you were implying Mike (you'll always be a Claret) Dean was corrupt where Tranmere was concerned

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:03 pm

Referees have to declare any allegiance.

For example, Michael Oliver is a Newcastle fan so cannot referee them, nor can he referee a Sunderland game.

Before he retired, Jon Moss couldn’t referee Sunderland (he’s from there), Leeds (he lives there) or Millwall (he played for them at youth level).

It would be impossible to allocate referees to games if they supported a club in the same division.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:17 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:03 pm
Referees have to declare any allegiance.

For example, Michael Oliver is a Newcastle fan so cannot referee them, nor can he referee a Sunderland game.

Before he retired, Jon Moss couldn’t referee Sunderland (he’s from there), Leeds (he lives there) or Millwall (he played for them at youth level).

It would be impossible to allocate referees to games if they supported a club in the same division.

I appreciate that ,but imagine being a ref from Burnley and having the chance to keep them up in a match that you the official,everyone’s heard about corruption in foot ball why should this be different ,didn’t post this to cause an argument just stating a fact that a few of our immediate rivals have Premier League refs as fans.

Middle-agedClaret · Post by **Middle-agedClaret** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:18 pm

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:24 pm

A Portsmouth fan took the line in a game recently Portsmouth against Cheltenham.Wade Elliott the Cheltenham manager said he was the best official they have had all season.I honestly think that if I was incharge of a Burnley game,I would try to be as professional and impartial as possible

gtclaret · Post by **gtclaret** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:32 pm

How many times do we have players you play against teams they support, should we not select them?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:41 pm

It's more important that Jones doesn't ref anyone.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:47 pm

summitclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:41 pm
It's more important that Jones doesn't ref anyone.

They all have their bad days but Jones seems really arrogant,and very aloof.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:45 pm

If you don’t think refs aren’t biased I suggest you watch Michael Oliver tonight doing sweet fa when a West Ham player was dragged down as they hit Arsenal on the break ,and the number of times we’ve been robbed blind when playing Arsenal.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:26 pm

Gordon Hill reffed our semi agin Newcastle in ‘74. Despite being listed as Leicester he had lived and taught in the Rossy. Many said he was a secret Claret but he didn’t help us on the day and well done him for playing it straight.

No names, to save embarrassment, but a BL regular was reffing a game in the 70s and had a man to man bet on the outcome. He was found out and suspended from reffing but he was so straight he lost the bet.

HuncoatClaret · Post by **HuncoatClaret** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:35 pm

Years ago I went to see Howard Webb at a Sportsman's Dinner. He said that the story about him being a Man United fan was rubbish, and if you didn't believe him you only had to ask any of his 3 sons Ryan, Wayne or Cristiano!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:52 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 6:40 pm
Imagine going to the last game of the season and we need to beat Forest to stop up ,Stuart Atwell is referee and if we lose Luton stop up,I would have thought there may be a conflict of interest especially having seen what an avid fan of Tranmere Mike Dean is,it’s only human nature.

Alternatively, you could imagine that Stuart Atwell would be appointed to a game that didn't affect Luton and wouldn't be at Turf Moor. You could even imagine that the PL have already thought of this!

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:50 am

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 9:45 pm
If you don’t think refs aren’t biased I suggest you watch Michael Oliver tonight doing sweet fa when a West Ham player was dragged down as they hit Arsenal on the break ,and the number of times we’ve been robbed blind when playing Arsenal.

Who does Oliver support then

Hipper · Post by **Hipper** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:24 am

I reffed the team I used to play for and was accused by my former teammates of being biased against them!

Yet their opponents said they were impressed I wasn't biased at all!!!

Of course the reality was I was equally useless for both sides.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:41 am

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:50 am
Who does Oliver support then

Newcastle.

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 8:14 am

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:41 am
Newcastle.

So why would that make him biased towards arsenal?....and if he was he didn't do a very good job.

I also don't think that the bad decisions we had against arsenal were to influence other teams

Forest have complained against Rob Jones, and their fans think he's biased against them because he's a Derby fan...that didn't work against us though, some referees are poor, some are poorer, but I dont think any of them are corrupt.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:01 am

Used to show where ref was from on Team Sheet in programme, eg Referee: Mr M Fussey, Retford.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:06 am

It's more the problem of being useless like many are
Plymouth were robbed by a blatant home blower yesterday.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:24 pm

Any one see the Luton fan reffing today? .definitely biased ( not according this board)

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:25 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 28, 2023 5:57 pm
Why?

Do you still feel the same ?

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:30 pm

Needs looking into big time after today

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:34 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:25 pm
Do you still feel the same ?

Yes..... Attwell is just shite, always has been, Was the guy in VAR a Luton fan?.... He could quite easily have over ruled it

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:39 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:34 pm
Yes..... Attwell is just shite, always has been, Was the guy in VAR a Luton fan?.... He could quite easily have over ruled it

And what about a red for a handball that stopped Foster having a shot that was down to the ref ,if he hadnt given Villa a pen VAR wouldn’t have given it.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:41 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:39 pm
And what about a red for a handball that stopped Foster having a shot that was down to the ref ,if he hadnt given Villa a pen VAR wouldn’t have given it.

I can’t understand how VAR looks at the handball and doesn’t send him to the screen instantly

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:46 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:41 pm
I can’t understand how VAR looks at the handball and doesn’t send him to the screen instantly

Was it in the area.... If not, they Carnt

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:47 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:46 pm
Was it in the area.... If not, they Carnt

They stopped the game and VAR checked it as it was a potential red card for preventing a goal scoring opportunity

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:58 pm

Nori1958 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:46 pm
Was it in the area.... If not, they Carnt

Your wrong there ,he deliberately prevented a goal scoring opportunity.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:03 pm

I'm beginning to wonder why we let onfield refs make any decisions, just use VAR all over the pitch and have someone sat on their backside making all the final decisions... better still have a 5 man committee slowing down the decision making process and eventually telling the ref what to give.
Actually we could have robot refs

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:08 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:58 pm
Your wrong there ,he deliberately prevented a goal scoring opportunity.

I don’t think he deliberately handled the ball or prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:10 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:08 pm
I don’t think he deliberately handled the ball or prevented a clear goalscoring opportunity.

He was the last man if he had tripped up Foster it would be a straight red ,same with deliberate handball.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:21 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:10 pm
He was the last man if he had tripped up Foster it would be a straight red ,same with deliberate handball.

There’s no logic in that as a handball by the last man doesn’t necessarily prevent a player from scoring whereas tripping them up obviously does.

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:30 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:21 pm
There’s no logic in that as a handball by the last man doesn’t necessarily prevent a player from scoring whereas tripping them up obviously does.

Don’t know if you saw it ,but the Villa player didn’t have the ball under control and Foster was in a position to get the ball until the hand came out and controlled it,

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:32 pm

Westleigh wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:30 pm
Don’t know if you saw it ,but the Villa player didn’t have the ball under control and Foster was in a position to get the ball until the hand came out and controlled it,

Wasn’t their player between Foster and the ball?

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:34 pm

Bit hard to describe but I thought Foster was in a position to get passed him ,I might be wrong but I’m still ****** off .

Westleigh · Post by **Westleigh** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:59 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:21 pm
There’s no logic in that as a handball by the last man doesn’t necessarily prevent a player from scoring whereas tripping them up obviously does.

Just looked on the PGMOL post it shows a video of the guy directing the ball away from Foster ,watch it and come to your own conclusion.