Team v Villa

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:23 pm

Just over an hour and a half til it's announced.
Going for my 4th correct prediction in a row (and I think probably only my 4th correct prediction ever)

...................................Trafford
.........Vitinho..... O'Shae ......Beyer...... Taylor
....................Brownhill ...............Berge
Odobert...................................................... Tresor
............................Amdouni
...........................................Foster

SalisburyClaret · Post by **SalisburyClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:34 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:23 pm
Just over an hour and a half til it's announced.
Going for my 4th correct prediction in a row (and I think probably only my 4th correct prediction ever)

...................................Trafford
.........Vitinho..... O'Shae ......Beyer...... Taylor
....................Brownhill ...............Berge
Odobert...................................................... Tresor
............................Amdouni
...........................................Foster

Think you may well get your 4th in a row RB, although I hope for Ekdal and Redmond

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:36 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:34 pm
Think you may well get your 4th in a row RB, although I hope for Ekdal and Redmond

Ekdal is injured according to Kompany

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:38 pm

I can’t see it being anything other than that team, barring injuries we don’t know about. I too would like to see Redmond feature in games like this where perhaps a bit more ‘nous’ is required but can’t see it.

jdrobbo · Post by **jdrobbo** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:39 pm

I would 100% start Redmond

Pau and Digne out do target their left side with ‘know how’

Drop Amdouni today and play Tresor in the ‘ten’

Trafford

Vitinho
O’Shea
Beyer
Taylor

Redmond
Brownhill
Berge
Odobert

Tresor

Foster

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:40 pm

Someone at the Club has posted we are playing Wolves.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:44 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:40 pm
Someone at the Club has posted we are playing Wolves.

Well as long as Wolves don't know that, then I reckon its away win number 3!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:44 pm

If we line up with Tresor, Amdouni, and Odobert away at Villa we will deserve everything we get.

At the very least, Gudmundsson should come in for Tresor.

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:47 pm

That from the Club beggars belief. Is no one checking it before it’s released? Sometimes we look like amateurs.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:49 pm

It’s been like that for a long long time. I’d had hoped that the new owners would be stamping this type of thing out. Anyway did I read somewhere that berge was suspended for today?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:53 pm

It’s a quickly corrected error - hardly one for the tower.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:54 pm

JBG in for Tresor i reckon, Odobert to the left. More solid away option from the start.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:55 pm

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:53 pm
It’s a quickly corrected error - hardly one for the tower.

Unforgivable. Heads should roll.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:57 pm

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:49 pm
It’s been like that for a long long time. I’d had hoped that the new owners would be stamping this type of thing out. Anyway did I read somewhere that berge was suspended for today?

Berge isn't suspended

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:59 pm

This is from Tony's preview so Berge is available.

"Kompany confirmed that Hjalmar Ekdal would again be ruled out and I think that was news to us with, I’m sure, no injury having previously been reported. He made no reference to any other player currently out injured so maybe we have a full squad to choose from other than Ekdal and Luca Koleosho."

BBC have news on Jack.

"Burnley have no new injury concerns, while Jack Cork is close to being fit."

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:02 pm

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:57 pm
Berge isn't suspended

That’s a relief

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:03 pm

ksrclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:44 pm
If we line up with Tresor, Amdouni, and Odobert away at Villa we will deserve everything we get.

At the very least, Gudmundsson should come in for Tresor.

You've got to think that Odobert attacking their left flank is the plan given Digne out? Right?

Who plays left to protect us from Cash?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:24 pm

Whose gonna mark McGinn's arse?

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:27 pm

Reckon if he's fit I'd play Ramsey off Foster and Odobert one side and JBG the other. Ramsey has hos limitations but when he played in a free role off a striker against United at home he gave us some running power and I'd like to see more of him in that role.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:29 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:27 pm
Reckon if he's fit I'd play Ramsey off Foster and Odobert one side and JBG the other. Ramsey has hos limitations but when he played in a free role off a striker against United at home he gave us some running power and I'd like to see more of him in that role.

Ramsey never played a free role off a striker against United. He was one of the dual 8’s either side of Cullen.

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:29 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:27 pm
Reckon if he's fit I'd play Ramsey off Foster and Odobert one side and JBG the other. Ramsey has hos limitations but when he played in a free role off a striker against United at home he gave us some running power and I'd like to see more of him in that role.

Id expect him to get better numbers than Amdouni has so far as well.

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:33 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:27 pm
Reckon if he's fit I'd play Ramsey off Foster and Odobert one side and JBG the other. Ramsey has hos limitations but when he played in a free role off a striker against United at home he gave us some running power and I'd like to see more of him in that role.

I thought he was more of a 10 than an 8. Maybe an 8/10 combo. But was certainly the most advanced of the 3

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:38 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:33 pm
I thought he was more of a 10 than an 8. Maybe an 8/10 combo. But was certainly the most advanced of the 3

Interesting you say that, all the passing & heat maps from that game show Brownhill as the furthest forward of the 3.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:39 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:29 pm
Ramsey never played a free role off a striker against United. He was one of the dual 8’s either side of Cullen.

That was true in some respects but Ramsey had a lot more freedom to attack and Brownhill did a lot more sitting alongside Cullen, so not sure it is a distinction that makes a difference for these purposes.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:41 pm

summitclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:24 pm
Whose gonna mark McGinn's arse?

I could do that from here!

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:58 pm

Ramsey also played as a part of the front two in his cameo against West Ham in which he showed a willingness to stretch their backline in a way that Amdouni didn’t.

It’s a good shout.

Petersa · Post by **Petersa** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:00 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:33 pm
I thought he was more of a 10 than an 8. Maybe an 8/10 combo. But was certainly the most advanced of the 3

I always found it strange that when squad numbers came in players were suddenly referred to as no 10s or no 8s or whatever. Is an 8/10 combo a no 9?

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:04 pm

JBG in for Tresor is the only change

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:04 pm

JBG in for Tresor. (BBC)

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:05 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:38 pm
Interesting you say that, all the passing & heat maps from that game show Brownhill as the furthest forward of the 3.

Maybe. But I don't think necessarily reflects things accurately. Brownhill does alot of the ball work when we are around the box, so will have high percentage passes on this area, even if he is deeper than others. And he also does alot of the pressing without the ball which gets him up the pitch. I suspect if you look at average positions when we are in possession, then Ramsey would have been more advanced than Brownhill

Roosterbooster · Post by **Roosterbooster** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:06 pm

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:03 pm
You've got to think that Odobert attacking their left flank is the plan given Digne out? Right?

Who plays left to protect us from Cash?

Turns out it's JBG

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:06 pm

Same minute but you were faster to the draw, Swizzlestick!

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:06 pm

Find it really strange that Amdouni appears undroppable.

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:07 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:06 pm
Find it really strange that Amdouni appears undroppable.

High time that he contributes a lot more than he has done thus far this season

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:08 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:38 pm
Interesting you say that, all the passing & heat maps from that game show Brownhill as the furthest forward of the 3.

& furthest back! Just gets aboht everywhere does Brownhill

Remember the passing chart against Everton? He was further back than Beyer!

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:09 pm

Cash isn’t in the squad. Konsa and Moreno at full back

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:12 pm

JohnDearyMe wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:07 pm
High time that he contributes a lot more than he has done thus far this season
[./quote]

Totally agree.

If I’m honest I would have liked to have seen Tresor or even Zaroury be given a chance with Foster

For me Amdouni has been really poor

Kilson810 · Post by **Kilson810** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:12 pm

Need to put a missing person alert in with the Police for Benson.

Commy · Post by **Commy** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:15 pm

Kilson810 wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:12 pm
Need to put a missing person alert in with the Police for Benson.

He is in the gym and is going to come back looking like the Hulk

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:16 pm

Amdouni is a very talented lad but we’d surely be better going with a slightly more conservative side and staying in the game etc. said it before but he’d be a great sub to bring on and ‘go for it’ if the scores are level etc.

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:18 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:34 pm
Think you may well get your 4th in a row RB, although I hope for Ekdal and Redmond

Ekdal is injured again

ksrclaret · Post by **ksrclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:20 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:16 pm
Amdouni is a very talented lad but we’d surely be better going with a slightly more conservative side and staying in the game etc. said it before but he’d be a great sub to bring on and ‘go for it’ if the scores are level etc.

He is very talented and has a cracking shot on him, but he doesn’t contribute anywhere near enough over the course of a game.

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:20 pm

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:16 pm
Amdouni is a very talented lad but we’d surely be better going with a slightly more conservative side and staying in the game etc. said it before but he’d be a great sub to bring on and ‘go for it’ if the scores are level etc.

At some point he's going to do something memorable which will be considered to justify keeping faith with him. The question is whether it will have already cost more points than we earn in that moment. My view is he's not contributing enough generally to justify it.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:24 pm

Really don't see the point of having JBG wide at all. After establishing he's better central at his age and signing 100 wingers, he still ends up starting there. Crazy.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:25 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:24 pm
Really don't see the point of having JBG wide at all. After establishing he's better central at his age and signing 100 wingers, he still ends up starting there. Crazy.

I get your point but I actually think it’s a good move. He’s a lot better than any else at keeping a shape and defending.

Think it’s going to be needed today if we are to get anything

Safron · Post by **Safron** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:26 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:20 pm
At some point he's going to do something memorable which will be considered to justify keeping faith with him. The question is whether it will have already cost more points than we earn in that moment. My view is he's not contributing enough generally to justify it.

100% correct and also not an ounce of fight in his belly, far too much of a luxury player, we need battle and commitment till the end of the season.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:28 pm

I would have liked to have seen Trésor as the ‘10’/dropping a tad deeper and Odobert & Redmond on the wings.

Think we’d be able to play/progress up the pitch better and have more threat in behind

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:30 pm

claretspice wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:20 pm
At some point he's going to do something memorable which will be considered to justify keeping faith with him. The question is whether it will have already cost more points than we earn in that moment. My view is he's not contributing enough generally to justify it.

He’s clearly talented but he’s a player that I just can’t see where he fits. Every other player you know exactly what they are and what they are contributing. With Amdouni he just seems be a bit of a mixture and I actually think it’s hindering his game.

For what it’s worth I think we have better options to accompany Foster

claretspice · Post by **claretspice** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:30 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:24 pm
Really don't see the point of having JBG wide at all. After establishing he's better central at his age and signing 100 wingers, he still ends up starting there. Crazy.

I don't think we did establish he was better central, at least not in the Premier League when the onus is more on defending and tracking runners than dominating the game, and the system/set up reflects that truth.

He plays that wide role better than anyone else in this squad.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:32 pm

willsclarets wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:24 pm
Really don't see the point of having JBG wide at all. After establishing he's better central at his age and signing 100 wingers, he still ends up starting there. Crazy.

Interestingly Kompany basically admitted he got it wrong with so many wingers, without explicitly saying it. At a presser recently he mentioned how he thought JBG would be more central this season. In reality he’s the only ‘wide’ player with genuine physicality and PL defensive nous, which is what he’s in these teams mainly for. He should have recognised it was needed at this level.