Joey’s in bother again

[Rileybobs]

Just to add, there’s no way in the world that “politically correct” was something you would have been “happy to go along with” when it was the insult du jour of the type of journalists you get all of your values / ideas from. I can just picture you now railing against “PC gone mad” and wittering on about “people of restricted height” or the “folically challenged”.

The words may have changed but the desire to find a pejorative terms for folk who aren’t bigoted remains. See also “do-gooders / virtue signallers”.

This is true, see also snowflake. Wokerati is my favourite currently. Always used by people who struggle to think for themselves.

[Greenmile]

Fine, but maybe stop coming to me asking me to define words for you then?...

I didn’t. You asked for a synonym of “woke” so I gave you one.

[elwaclaret]

I didn’t miss it. Those posters were wrong, that’s all.

Quite agree.

Yank is derived from the native pronunciation of English, Yanglish… Yank and has been used by American’s to describe themselves since at least the later eighteenth century
I can see those from the Southern states being more offended than those in the north, especially those who prefer to be seen as Johnny Reb.

Describing ‘yank’ as a racial slur is strange in the extreme.

[Rileybobs]

Quite agree.

Yank is derived from the native pronunciation of English, Yanglish… Yank and has been used by American’s to describe themselves since at least the later eighteenth century
I can see those from the Southern states being more offended than those in the north, especially those who prefer to be seen as Johnny Reb.

Describing ‘yank’ as a racial slur is strange in the extreme.

American isn't a race, but I suppose any term used in a derogatory way against a race of people could be classed as racist.

[Greenmile]

Quite agree.

Yank is derived from the native pronunciation of English, Yanglish… Yank and has been used by American’s to describe themselves since at least the later eighteenth century
I can see those from the Southern states being more offended than those in the north, especially those who prefer to be seen as Johnny Reb.

Describing ‘yank’ as a racial slur is strange in the extreme.

Didn’t the North describe themselves as “Yankees” during the civil war? I could understand some from the southern states taking offence at the term if so.

The main reason it isn’t a racial slur is that Americans are not / have never been a homogenous race (given the term is never used to mean “Native Americans”)

[elwaclaret]

American isn't a race, but I suppose any term used in a derogatory way against a race of people could be classed as racist.

That is why we have the word Bigoted… when it is not racism.

[Rileybobs]

That is why we have the word Bigoted… when it is not racism.

Yeah. So my point is, if someone was to use yank as a derogatory slur towards American people then it could be considered as bigoted, despite the word ‘yank’ not itself being considered offensive.

[elwaclaret]

Didn’t the North describe themselves as “Yankees” during the civil war? I could understand some from the southern states taking offence at the term if so.

The main reason it isn’t a racial slur is that Americans are not / have never been a homogenous race (given the term is never used to mean “Native Americans”)

Billy Yank v Johnny Reb. (My hobby away from research is very sad… American history pre the war is my busman’s holiday) . This is where it became touchy term… an artificial division between rural and industrial regions aka the Mason Dixon Line.

Not really any such thing as homogenous… it’s all nonsense. Those born on the west of England arrived from the Iberian coast… those on the east coast from France and Scandinavia… and that’s before the Romans got here! The ‘native American’s’ Wandered over land bridges and ice from Asia (southern) and various migrations from the tundra (north).

We are a great mash of humanity in the west, always have been. Racism is a nonsense created by those wishing to cause division. Bigotry towards those nations that in reality dominate you is healthy, if delusional.

[elwaclaret]

Yeah. So my point is, if someone was to use yank as a derogatory slur towards American people then it could be considered as bigoted, despite the word ‘yank’ not itself being considered offensive.

Totally agree. It may seem semantic, even pedantic but when someone is accusing another of something - I for one check my vocabulary very carefully.

[aggi]

Calling someone a "nonce" is probably viewed as more defamatory than calling someone boring.

Yep.

https://www.thesun.ie/tv/12460139/jerem ... ey-barton/

[daveisaclaret]

Crowdfunding a legal defence by promising all proceeds to charity is an unusual move. Especially when you've clearly and openly done what you're accused of.

[Swizzlestick]

I see Mr Moneybags who was so full of it a few months ago has started a Gofundme for his legal fees. What an absolute loser.

[claptrappers_union]

Attributing a noun before ‘nonce’ suggests he was just being offensive instead of throwing around the accusation.

It's like Inbetweeners’ ‘bus ******’

Sticks and stones and all that. But if someone with the number of followers and reach of Bartons called me a bike-nonce, I'd be fighting back too. I don't want to be associated with that type of weird behaviour on our public roads.

[daveisaclaret]

Attributing a noun before ‘nonce’ suggests he was just being offensive instead of throwing around the accusation.

He said people should call the police if they saw Jeremy Vine near a primary school.

[Ric_C]

The world's a weird place at the moment, weirdos from the far left and far right controlling narratives and influencing mainstream media

Hopefully we get back to some kind of normality fairly soon and we look back at these times as "what were we thinking?"

[claptrappers_union]

Vine suggested Barton had a brain injury

It's just childish back-and-forth

[Clovius Boofus]

Vine suggested Barton had a brain injury

It's just childish back-and-forth

I hope nobody takes legal advice from you, Claptrappers.

[daveisaclaret]

Vine suggested Barton had a brain injury

It's just childish back-and-forth

I suppose one man's "childish back-and-forth" is another man's "it's very obviously not legal to baselessly accuse someone of being a paedophile"

[Swizzlestick]

Vine suggested Barton had a brain injury

It's just childish back-and-forth

It’s pretty clear what Barton is accusing Vine of being and I’ve no idea why you’re trying to dilute that tbh.

[claptrappers_union]

I'm not diluting it. I just think it's all childish and stupid. If Vine wasn't taking legal action I wouldn't even considering the image of Jeremy Vine hanging outside schools and trying to entice young children with his bike for his own gratification.

Instead I'd be knowing that Joey Barton is just a football-nonce

[aggi]

I suppose one man's "childish back-and-forth" is another man's "it's very obviously not legal to baselessly accuse someone of being a paedophile"

Well, Elon Musk could certainly dispute that.

[Clovius Boofus]

Defamation/libel awards can prove expensive, not to mention the costs. Also, high profile people tend to be awarded much higher payouts - damage to reputation etc.

[Anonymous Claret]

I don't think Joey has a leg to stand on legally. I hope that I am wrong. It just shows the culture of our sue anybody society. This is what Barton claimed earlier in 1 of his tweets. If it is true it shows Vine to be the disgusting slimeball that he is. This is also the same Vine who called Alex Bellfield (another absolute bellend btw) the Jimmy Saville of trolling. A little bit of the pot calling the kettle. So Vine is calling Bellfield the nonce of trolling but doesn't like being called a bike nonce. Anyway this is what Barton claimed earlier today on Twitter.

So to fill you all in…

His lawyers asked originally for £50k to charity and all his costs and apology.

I offered to give £10k to a charity. Apologise and delete the said tweets.

I then got another letter wanting £100k after
@LozzaFox
had his case in the high courts. (And Eni Aluko’s letter from same firm of lawyers!)

I offered him £25k to a charity. To put it to bed.

I’ve now just had a claim through for over £250k but interestingly it’s no longer to go to his charity.

Needless to say, I’m no longer willing to negotiate. How can a man who attacks you on national TV get upset when the joke turned on him.

What an embarrassment of a man.

#BikeNonce

[expoultryboy]

Great player for us , but deep down he's just a thick gobby scouser .

[claptrappers_union]

Alex Bellfield was a campaign of harassment toward Jeremy Vine, not just an exchange on Twitter. Vine is right to nip the issue in the bud, and Barton should be grown-up enough to apologise. All in all, it's just another dumpster fire from Twitter.

I blocked Joey Barton a long time ago though. Grade-A bellend.

[Bordeauxclaret]

He’s spent this morning begging people for cash and to try and dig up dirt on the guy suing him.

What a pathetic individual.

[claretonthecoast1882]

People surely won't donate money for this campaign will they ?

[Bordeauxclaret]

Never underestimate how gullible some people are.

[ŽižkovClaret]

He's a gobshite, and now he's picked on someone who will call him on it.

I'm no fan of vine but you know, this should be fun to watch

[Clovius Boofus]

I though Go Fund Me was for charity stuff and people who were strapped for cash.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Just one of the comments from JBs lovely supporters on his GoFundMe page:

Pete Basterfield
£10•1 hr
Jeremy Vine needs taking down a leg or two. He's an odious creep. Come on you London lorry drivers, surely one of you can do us all a favour !

[Falcon]

Classy

[Stayingup]

Ah good old Joey. Life would be boring without the like of him. So long as you take rhe comments light heartedly.

[Clovius Boofus]

Someone mentioned this upthread and I thought they were joking. "Barton has also shared a post that warned followers to "call 999" if they saw Vine "by a primary school" on his bike".

https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/jeremy ... rton-libel

[Jakubclaret]

He's obviously not full shilling that much is clear. He needs a wise old head to take him under their wing to get him on a straight path.

[TheFamilyCat]

He's obviously not full shilling that much is clear. He needs a wise old head to take him under their wing to get him on a straight path.

Are you volunteering?

[Jakubclaret]

Are you volunteering?

I'd have far too much on for the both of you.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I don't think Joey has a leg to stand on legally. I hope that I am wrong. It just shows the culture of our sue anybody society. This is what Barton claimed earlier in 1 of his tweets. If it is true it shows Vine to be the disgusting slimeball that he is. This is also the same Vine who called Alex Bellfield (another absolute bellend btw) the Jimmy Saville of trolling. A little bit of the pot calling the kettle. So Vine is calling Bellfield the nonce of trolling but doesn't like being called a bike nonce. Anyway this is what Barton claimed earlier today on Twitter.

So to fill you all in…

His lawyers asked originally for £50k to charity and all his costs and apology.

I offered to give £10k to a charity. Apologise and delete the said tweets.

I then got another letter wanting £100k after
@LozzaFox
had his case in the high courts. (And Eni Aluko’s letter from same firm of lawyers!)

I offered him £25k to a charity. To put it to bed.

I’ve now just had a claim through for over £250k but interestingly it’s no longer to go to his charity.

Needless to say, I’m no longer willing to negotiate. How can a man who attacks you on national TV get upset when the joke turned on him.

What an embarrassment of a man.

#BikeNonce

I'd be reluctant to rely too heavily on what Barton says about the person suing him while trying to cobble together legal fees tbh

[Anonymous Claret]

I'd be reluctant to rely too heavily on what Barton says about the person suing him while trying to cobble together legal fees tbh

That's why I put 'Barton 'claimed' to have letters from Vine's lawyers. If he is lying it will come out in court. If people are naive enough to crowdfund a bonanza fest for Barton that will make an odious creature such as Vine and a bunch of unscrupulous lawyers even more wealthy then more fool them.

[AlargeClaret]

I'd be reluctant to rely too heavily on what Barton says about the person suing him while trying to cobble together legal fees tbh

Barton’s a millionaire, though he may have to be if he goes the libel route , bearing in mind Vine & Aluko will likely be crowd funded and legal fees in libel cases are eye watering .

He’s clearly been advised to put the “ offers “ into the public domain , but I can’t see anyone settling for less than 100k. It’s ludicrous and would have been laughed out of court yrs ago . But if Barton chooses to live by “ silly public name calling in the modern era” he may just have to “ die” for it as well .

[aggi]

Crowdfunding a legal defence by promising all proceeds to charity is an unusual move. Especially when you've clearly and openly done what you're accused of.

Particularly when he's the defendant. I can't see many damages coming from that.

[Mansfield claret]

Never underestimate how gullible some people are.

True... And a word that's not even in the dictionary

[Fretters]

His funding page is just a load of nonsense. It refers to the truth countless times, without saying what that actually is. At the end of the day, he's said far worse about Vine than the other way round.

[Clovius Boofus]

His funding page is just a load of nonsense. It refers to the truth countless times, without saying what that actually is. At the end of the day, he's said far worse about Vine than the other way round.

I've just had a look. On his Go Fund Me page, it says "any damages awarded will be graciously donated to Alder Hey Hospital in Liverpool, exemplifying Barton's commitment to giving back amidst adversity".

I'm mixed up here. Is Barton now suing Vine?

[NewClaret]

I've just had a look. On his Go Fund Me page, it says "any damages awarded will be graciously donated to Alder Hey Hospital in Liverpool, exemplifying Barton's commitment to giving back amidst adversity".

I'm mixed up here. Is Barton now suing Vine?

Typically when sued a defence tactic is to counter sue. In the end, the legal fees on both sides rack up so much that each party has to fold. The winners are the lawyers so that go fund me page is basically a donation to Barton’s expensive lawyers.

[Colburn_Claret]

There is no right or wrong in this, just childish individuals having a spat.
The difference is Joey knows its just a childish spat, Vine thinks it matters.

Pathetic really, if I was a judge I'd just tell them to grow up, but damages, ********.

[Shaggy]

The human race has gone down the pan.

Back in the day 2 guys had a problem they’d meet in a car park and sort it out like men then Shake hands afterwards and no more animosity.

Ps I’d love to see Barton ( or anyone ) stick one on Vine

[yTib]

Back in the day 2 guys had a problem they’d meet in a car park and sort it out like men then Shake hands afterwards and no more animosity.

yeah, the good old days.

btw barton is 41, vine is 58.

hardly a straightener.

[TheFamilyCat]

The human race has gone down the pan.

Back in the day 2 guys had a problem they’d meet in a car park and sort it out like men then Shake hands afterwards and no more animosity.

Ps I’d love to see Barton ( or anyone ) stick one on Vine

Your last sentence is a perfect example of the human rave going down the pan. Well done.

[Awayfromburnley]

Your last sentence is a perfect example of the human rave going down the pan. Well done.

Couldn't agree more! Why it is deemed appropriate to whack someone is incomprehensible, especially in this day and age. Literally animal behaviour.