VK OUT !!

[spt_claret]

Relegation following promotion (with a fair chance of a swift return).

Pretty much identical I’d suggest unless you’re slanting towards VKs allowed net spend of circa £50m over four windows as opposed to Dyche who had two bob but inherited some solid players as a starting point.

Plus footballs spiralled financially in the 10 years since.

Net spend 50m, gross spend a lot more fuelled by selling a handful of PL quality players for decent money.
Kompany inherited a nucleus of experienced PL players, one of whom in Barnes he revived, one in Jay he revived for half a season- Jay, Barnes, Cork, Lowton (dropped), Gudmundsson, Brownhill, Taylor. Roberts had only had 1 season so not grouping him in that batch. But that was the core of our side last year and has been for stretches this year.
Dyche didn't inherit anything like as many PL-seasoned players as that. Didn't inherit high value players to sell for big money to fund a rebuild. Lost Charlie Austin, the club top scorer, at the start of the season and still got us up. Certainly never got the money we had in the summer. And we never looked this far off it. We barely had Vokes fit all season- our promotion had been built on the Vokes/Ings double act and we got to see it for less than 1/3 of that Prem year due to Vokes' injury.

I'm for giving Kompany til the first international break in the Championship, but it's a very, very different scenario. Dyche we looked like we just needed a bit more cash to bring in 1-2 players and we'd have been good, or had Vokes been fit all season it could have been a closer run thing. He inherited a more stable scenario than Kompany did (We knew players would be leaving and others would be sold), but also far less in the way of assets or playing tools to work with, and kept us in it better than this.

[helmclaret]

He’s not even 40. Could have another 30-35 years in management!

[Elizabeth]

Why is it so beyond the realms of possibility that Kompany could improve as a manager? Why do we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater after one bad season? Do we really want to be like most the other clubs that turnover managers everytime there's a rough patch. Where does it get them?

I understand its frustrating to watch at the moment, but we have to let things develop. The squad will improve, Kompany will improve. I really hope the majority of fans will stick with him, this squad of players are incredibly green and will be so much better in a couple of years. Even then Kompany won't be 40 years of age.

I'm with you on this , just need to see which of the young players are with us next season.

[BurnleyFC]

We were relegated weren’t we? Generally considered failure, like this season.

If Dyche’s first season spending peanuts is considered a failure, this season has to be considered a ******* abomination.

Fair’s fair.

[GetIntoEm]

I'm gonna say in, based on the fact that Pep or Zidane would get relegated with this bunch of absolute wage stealers

[Holtyclaret]

Net spend 50m, gross spend a lot more fuelled by selling a handful of PL quality players for decent money.
Kompany inherited a nucleus of experienced PL players, one of whom in Barnes he revived, one in Jay he revived for half a season- Jay, Barnes, Cork, Lowton (dropped), Gudmundsson, Brownhill, Taylor. Roberts had only had 1 season so not grouping him in that batch. But that was the core of our side last year and has been for stretches this year.
Dyche didn't inherit anything like as many PL-seasoned players as that. Didn't inherit high value players to sell for big money to fund a rebuild. Lost Charlie Austin, the club top scorer, at the start of the season and still got us up. Certainly never got the money we had in the summer. And we never looked this far off it. We barely had Vokes fit all season- our promotion had been built on the Vokes/Ings double act and we got to see it for less than 1/3 of that Prem year due to Vokes' injury.

I'm for giving Kompany til the first international break in the Championship, but it's a very, very different scenario. Dyche we looked like we just needed a bit more cash to bring in 1-2 players and we'd have been good, or had Vokes been fit all season it could have been a closer run thing. He inherited a more stable scenario than Kompany did (We knew players would be leaving and others would be sold), but also far less in the way of assets or playing tools to work with, and kept us in it better than this.

Not arguing finer points just saying broader similarity. Promoted then relegated and then given opportunity to re-group and go again.

Which is what I think will happen with vk as it did with sd.

[Claretitus]

Does anyone really think VK’s boys will tear up the Championship? Not a chance. Plenty of embarrassments on the cards, and it would be difficult to stomach defeats at Ewood,Deepdale etc etc, but can anyone see Ramsey, Trevor, etc, etc being up the fight? No way.

[helmclaret]

Ramsey was brilliant in the championship last season.

[CoolClaret]

Ramsey was brilliant in the championship last season.

Was he as good/impactful as Manuel Benson?

Did f all against us in the two games in which he played - that's for certain.

[helmclaret]

Boro went on an unbelievable run after Christmas and he was a big part of that. People
like you just love to write him off after a few games for us in a woeful set up.

[Hapag Lloyd]

Does anyone really think VK’s boys will tear up the Championship? Not a chance. Plenty of embarrassments on the cards, and it would be difficult to stomach defeats at Ewood,Deepdale etc etc, but can anyone see Ramsey, Trevor, etc, etc being up the fight? No way.

.
Who the fck is Trevor ?

[evensteadiereddie]

Here we go again.
VK won't be going anywhere unless we perform badly in the first three or four months in the Championship.

[Claretitus]

Typo. Tresor.

[KRBFC]

No way a manager like McKenna (or a manager of that ilk) comes at this point.

On what planet would you consider McKenna better than VK?

McKenna is even less experienced and getting nowhere near VKs Championship total.

[Newcastleclaret93]

On what planet would you consider McKenna better than VK?

McKenna is even less experienced and getting nowhere near VKs Championship total.

Or you could maybe look at him and think he’s got the skills a club like ours require.

He’s built a competitive team will relative peanuts and is out performing where his club should be.

[AmbleClaret]

This

Sadly me too after today,50 years, travelled 200 miles to watch that,and saw us lose to Wimbledon in the FA Cup in the 70's. This was far worse.

[KRBFC]

Or you could maybe look at him and think he’s got the skills a club like ours require.

He’s built a competitive team will relative peanuts and is out performing where his club should be.

You’re so fickle and lacking in knowledge I’d rather you not respond to me.

McKenna has achieved nothing, you can’t compare him to a manager that hit 101 points.

[Newcastleclaret93]

You’re so fickle and lacking in knowledge I’d rather you not respond to me.

McKenna has achieved nothing, you can’t compare him to a manager that hit 101 points.

Haha if I’m lacking in knowledge it certainly doesn’t look good for yourself.

How’s your lad Weghorst getting on in the prem?

In fact thinking of it, the two guys you have defended the strongest (VK and Weghorst) have both flopped catastrophically

[KRBFC]

Haha if I’m lacking in knowledge it certainly doesn’t look good for yourself.

How’s your lad Weghorst getting on in the prem?

In fact thinking of it, the two guys you have defended the strongest (VK and Weghorst) have both flopped catastrophically

You still banging on about Weghorst?

How long would you give McKenna before you’re whining and wanting him out? More than 3 games this time?

You’re delighted we’re losing!

[CoolClaret]

You’re so fickle and lacking in knowledge I’d rather you not respond to me.

McKenna has achieved nothing, you can’t compare him to a manager that hit 101 points.

McKenna is tbf coming up from L1 with naff all budget - it's very different to what VK achieved last season (which shouldn't be taken for granted either)

[Newcastleclaret93]

You still banging on about Weghorst?

How long would you give McKenna before you’re whining and wanting him out? More than 3 games this time?

You’re delighted we’re losing!

Yes I’m delighted, love watching us have one of the worst seasons in my lifetime. This is ten times worse than anything Dyche ever produced for us and you were slagging him off every single day on here.

[TsarBomba]

On what planet would you consider McKenna better than VK?

McKenna is even less experienced and getting nowhere near VKs Championship total.

You clearly haven’t read my post properly, have you?

I don’t want VK out and I never said McKenna was a better manger than VK.

What I said was that if we were to get rid of Kompany now, no way a new longer term manager of the profile we want ie a McKenna, would come knowing they will have a relegation on their CV in 13 games time.

[willsclarets]

Football fans never learn. For instance Ange Postecoglou can do no wrong atm, and Pochettino is a busted flush. In 6 months time it could be completely the opposite.

[Aclaret]

VK out ?. his team certainly don't seem to have any fight in them to get out of this.
Spent over £100 million ? ...for this ?....frightening.

[Jamesy]

VK out ?. his team certainly don't seem to have any fight in them to get out of this.
Spent over £100 million ? ...for this ?....frightening.

Even if he is potted, who is going to get a tune out of this squad of gutless pretty boys that Kompany has spunked 100 million pounds on?

[Jakubclaret]

You clearly haven’t read my post properly, have you?

I don’t want VK out and I never said McKenna was a better manger than VK.

What I said was that if we were to get rid of Kompany now, no way a new longer term manager of the profile we want ie a McKenna, would come knowing they will have a relegation on their CV in 13 games time.

That's an argument I'll never understand people not taking risks because of a blot on a CV surely any prospective employers would weigh up the circumstances & henceforth judge fairly. It shouldn't be standout reason to dissuade potential candidates. if you never have a go you spend your life wondering what could have been.

[Cooclaret]

He's still here & taking everything into account the rotten results & form it isn't beyond the realms to reach that conclusion. They can't afford to pay him & his backroom staff off it's pure & simple there's nothing complicated about it.

I don’t disagree with your reasoning, I agree. But it’s not a fact, and I disagree with you about that.

[Wile E Coyote]

teams get relegated, we are going to be one of them unfortunately. That doesnt mean the manager needs binning though.
It was a masterstroke to bring VK here, and he immediately proved his worth. No one would have been bothered if we hung around in the championship for a few seasons until things settled down, but we were instantly promoted. Sadly we are too raw and unable to compete this time , so back we go with the money that provides a cushion . Lets have some names for better replacement manager, and i guarantee the arguments on here would never end as to who would be our saviour.I would love to be a fly on the wall if the critics had a one to one with VK and made suggestions as to how he should alter his plans in order to save us and improve our form.

[Jakubclaret]

I don’t disagree with your reasoning, I agree. But it’s not a fact, and I disagree with you about that.

Ok it's not technically a fact but it's reasonable to be 99% sure that he's still in a job because it'd cost a fortune to get shut. The club financially aren't inclined to make such a bold move & are exhausting all other options. It's a very very strong consideration.

[roperclaret]

Or you could maybe look at him and think he’s got the skills a club like ours require.

He’s built a competitive team will relative peanuts and is out performing where his club should be.

Still won’t get promotion though

[roperclaret]

Even if he is potted, who is going to get a tune out of this squad of gutless pretty boys that Kompany has spunked 100 million pounds on?

Chicken feed. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City all spent more than that on one (1) player. That’s the world we’re unsuccessfully competing in right now

[Cirrus_Minor]

I've got to the point now where I don't know if I care whether he goes or stays. I don't even know what this season in the Premier league has been all about for our club. I am just turning up every game to watch us play crap and concede a load of goals.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Still won’t get promotion though

If he had VKs budget last year and I’m pretty sure he would have got close.

Pretty much the highest spenders get promoted at the moment in the championship.

[Jamesy]

Chicken feed. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City all spent more than that on one (1) player. That’s the world we’re unsuccessfully competing in right now

Yeah and Luton spent 5 million and they are miles more competitive than us and might just stay up.

[TsarBomba]

Still won’t get promotion though

First season back in the Championship and up against Leeds, Southampton and Leicester for automatic promotion.

Seriously impressive what McKenna has done at Ipswich.

I went to Portman Rd last year in the cup and they gave us probably the hardest game of the season, as a League 1 club as well.

If VK was to get potted then McKenna should be on our shortlist no question.

[Jamesy]

First season back in the Championship and up against Leeds, Southampton and Leicester for automatic promotion.

Seriously impressive what McKenna has done at Ipswich.

I went to Portman Rd last year in the cup and they gave us probably the hardest game of the season, as a League 1 club as well.

If VK was to get potted then McKenna should be on our shortlist no question.

Yes we could stick him on the shortlist. However, he would probably see Ipswich as a bigger club with more potential than us.

[Nori1958]

I don’t get your logic at all.

You’re saying no thanks to managers with considerably better records than VK.

Serious question are you only a fan because of who he is?

I can’t think of any logical reason you would want him

Ok.... Been a fan for nearly 60 years

What have they done in the championship better than Kompany has done?

If you want to be mad, fine, but at least be relevant, not just silly.

[Nori1958]

Chicken feed. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City all spent more than that on one (1) player. That’s the world we’re unsuccessfully competing in right now

Unfortunately some people just ain't bright enough to see that.

[Casper2]

Chicken feed. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man City all spent more than that on one (1) player. That’s the world we’re unsuccessfully competing in right now

And Brighton , Brentford,Fulham didn’t so what’s your point ?

[Nori1958]

And Brighton , Brentford,Fulham didn’t so what’s your point ?

Probably that this thread is after getting beat by arsenal, not Brighton who have spent more than us, or Fulham who we've taken 4 points from

[Targetman]

First season back in the Championship and up against Leeds, Southampton and Leicester for automatic promotion.

Seriously impressive what McKenna has done at Ipswich.

I went to Portman Rd last year in the cup and they gave us probably the hardest game of the season, as a League 1 club as well.

If VK was to get potted then McKenna should be on our shortlist no question.

Ipswich gave us 2 tough games last season in the cup, but I presume you didn't see many of our games if you felt that it was our hardest game of the season at Portman Road.

[Casper2]

Probably that this thread is after getting beat by arsenal, not Brighton who have spent more than us, or Fulham who we've taken 4 points from

Did I ask you ? No , did any spend 100 million on a player, no , are any of those getting relegated No

[RammyClaret61]

And Brighton , Brentford,Fulham didn’t so what’s your point ?

Plus a team who 10 years ago were non-league, finished 21 points behind us last year, spent a total of £23m look more likely to stay up.

We dismantled a winning team, spent £100m and we are where we are now. All but mathematically relegated.

And yes I know we’ve taken 4 points off Luton. Approximately 25% of our points, it’s just not good enough.

[cockneyclaret]

Does anyone really think VK’s boys will tear up the Championship? Not a chance. Plenty of embarrassments on the cards, and it would be difficult to stomach defeats at Ewood,Deepdale etc etc, but can anyone see Ramsey, Trevor, etc, etc being up the fight? No way.

Easily..
These players would **** the championship, way above the level to play there.. have they got the leadership and ******** to commit to a season in championship is another story

[TsarBomba]

Ipswich gave us 2 tough games last season in the cup, but I presume you didn't see many of our games if you felt that it was our hardest game of the season at Portman Road.

Probably saw about 80% of our games last season. We struggled to break them down and they matched us all over the park. They probably edged it at Portman Road too.

[Quickenthetempo]

If we get promoted again next season, which there's a 99% chance of doing, as there's no money knocking around in the championship.

What hope have we got that anything will change with Vinny? What improvements have we seen from him in his time here.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Give him the same chance dyche had. He won’t get long though next season of results dont come quickly

[alwaysaclaret]

If we get promoted again next season, which there's a 99% chance of doing, as there's no money knocking around in the championship.

What hope have we got that anything will change with Vinny? What improvements have we seen from him in his time here.

What makes you think we've a 99% chance of promotion, the exact same thing's will be missing that are missing now, passion, fight, nous, physicality, pace, experience, organisation, a leader both on and off the pitch, don't want to go on, but I could. But I've already said myself on other threads, if we can get back up, what's the point to come back to this, cos vk imo is learning absolutely sod all at the moment, and like you say can't imagine much change.

[Sleeping Cat]

I don’t see what difference changing the manager would do right now, or who we would get in. More upheaval to a team that has changed already so much from last seasons successful set up.

VK gets another go at the championship given what he did last time, chance to prove that special season was not a one off. But VK’s tactics, team selection, substitutions loyalty to underperforming players has really made me question his ability to learn and adapt to different challenges on the pitch. This combined with this squad of players, assuming we can keep the majority of it together but will lose some to inevitably balance the books, I’m not convinced we would “walk” the championship.

[alwaysaclaret]

Plus a team who 10 years ago were non-league, finished 21 points behind us last year, spent a total of £23m look more likely to stay up.

We dismantled a winning team, spent £100m and we are where we are now. All but mathematically relegated.

And yes I know we’ve taken 4 points off Luton. Approximately 25% of our points, it’s just not good enough.

The 3 huge differences between us and Luton imo, fight, physicality and actually wanting to be in this league.