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by CoolClaret » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:02 pm
bfcmik wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:51 pm
People moaning about us being unable to compete in the Premier league then moaning about a ticket price increase by the 19th (out of 20) least expensive STs in the PL need to take a look at themselves. I know most people aren't in both camps but a number are.
I know times are tough financially for most of us, me included, BUT, times are tough even for a £160m company in a league where £160m is chickenfeed, where Spurs can sell a player for £125m and still increase their ticket prices for their fans and not give any discounts for over 65s, where clubs see nothing wrong with their owners chipping in another wad of spare change to help them compete, where the notion of FFP is that it should not apply to them because they've always spent too much!
Football clubs are businesses, and if they want to compete at the highest levels they have to pay the going rate. We have tried, I believe, to do it 'on the cheap', with wage and bonus levels below average meaning the players you get are not, generally, in the top echelon. Headline transfer fees are 1 thing, revenue expenditure and commitment is entirely another.
These claims are always made as though it's definitive proof, almost not realising that we didn't do this when we were competing at the highest level? Groundbreaking eh?
ST prices are a drop in the ocean compared to TV revenue. They spaffed far, far more on agent fees etc than the income differential with the price increases.
Also, you put up with this then in another 2/3 years you will all of a sudden be paying significantly more (way outpacing wage inflation) than you were 5 years prior.
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by mdd2 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:07 pm
IanMcL wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 5:52 pm
My cynical self tells me this is a means to reduce the Seniors concession differential, year by year.
Considering the minimal income from ticket sales, versus TV/Parachute, it is penalising the long term faithful.
Begins to sound like that Johnson statement, "They have had their lives".
As an over 65 I can see good reason in hitting us compared to the rest. I do not know what the price increases are as a percentage of last year but CT says ours is up 25%. If you wish to try and expand the younger supporters then the smaller increase for them not only keeps them but may entice younger newer supporters. If I decide not to renew due to the price increase then that ST could well go to a younger supporter increasing revenue and maybe catching a supporter for the next 20 years and within those 20 years I will be gone and so maybe CT and many others over 65.
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by Silkyskills1 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:42 pm
mdd2 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:07 pm
As an over 65 I can see good reason in hitting us compared to the rest. I do not know what the price increases are as a percentage of last year but CT says ours is up 25%. If you wish to try and expand the younger supporters then the smaller increase for them not only keeps them but may entice younger newer supporters. If I decide not to renew due to the price increase then that ST could well go to a younger supporter increasing revenue and maybe catching a supporter for the next 20 years and within those 20 years I will be gone and so maybe CT and many others over 65.
Thanks for the reminder.
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by IrkthePurists » Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:55 pm
Bad year for my lad to jump from u18 to u22!
£100 to £314….
In reality none of my mates supporting other clubs in the PL can believe I pay £700 for 4 season tickets. That’s just gone up to £965 mainly due to the above jump which will still compare well with all PL clubs but maybe not so cheap for the Championship?
Hey ho.
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by agreenwood » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:09 pm
Admittedly haven’t studied them in detail, but for context our prices next season don’t seem to be hugely different to what Rovers, PNE and Blackpool charged this season. In fact we’re still cheaper than Rovers & Blackpool.
For example the most expensive (non-corporate) over 65 ST at Rovers is £379, at Blackpool it’s £499 and at PNE it’s £300.
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by Quickenthetempo » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:11 pm
IrkthePurists wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 6:55 pm
Bad year for my lad to jump from u18 to u22!
£100 to £314….
In reality none of my mates supporting other clubs in the PL can believe I pay £700 for 4 season tickets. That’s just gone up to £965 mainly due to the above jump which will still compare well with all PL clubs but maybe not so cheap for the Championship?
Hey ho.
Your mates will pay more to watch star players on huge wages.
I don't think many would complain about price rises if we got to watch Kevin De Bruyne or Salah.
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by Sheedyclaret » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:17 pm
agreenwood wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:09 pm
Admittedly haven’t studied them in detail, but for context our prices next season don’t seem to be hugely different to what Rovers, PNE and Blackpool charged this season. In fact we’re still cheaper than Rovers & Blackpool.
For example the most expensive (non-corporate) over 65 ST at Rovers is £379, at Blackpool it’s £499 and at PNE it’s £300.
People would still complain if they were free
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by StayingDown4Ever » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:28 pm
Maybe the increase is because we have to pay City another £4,000,000 now that our reserve goalkeeper has somehow got an England call up.
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by agreenwood » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:32 pm
StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:28 pm
Maybe the increase is because we have to pay City another £4,000,000 now that our reserve goalkeeper has somehow got an England call up.
Guffaw. Your mates will like that one when you crack it the first 15 times.
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by claret3561 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:36 pm
They seem to be offering tickets for the csf next season, this year I'm in the Jimmy mac lower, anyone know how I can swap seats
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by Vim Fuego » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:38 pm
Sheedyclaret wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:17 pm
People would still complain if they were free
Valid complaint if it is anything like this season
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by Quickenthetempo » Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:43 pm
claret3561 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:36 pm
They seem to be offering tickets for the csf next season, this year I'm in the Jimmy mac lower, anyone know how I can swap seats
You would have to renew your seat (for early bird price) and then seat swap in about a month.
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by Jimmymaccer » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:35 pm
Eddiebfc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:45 pm
To add to this I’ve been told that the back two rows of the Jimmy Mac Lower are now going to be hospitality. There’s about 12 of us who has sat together forever and we don’t have seats for next season . We used to sit where the current hospitality seats are in the JML and had to move to our current seats when they were created. Contacted the club and they are going to come back with options. To be fair the person I spoke to was very sympathetic and optimistic that they can sort something out for us. UTC
It’s let me renew our seats which are the row in front of the hospitality ones, bang in the middle of the goal……………….no message regarding having to move. I guess it’ll be a case of turning up on the first day of next season to find our seats not there, and the club will just shrug its shoulders …..
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by Eddiebfc » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:38 pm
Think those affected are on the last two rows at the back of the lower section on the wings. Don’t think they are extending the section down the stand. They are expanding sideways. Hopefully you will be ok. Cheers
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by Darnhill Claret » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:46 pm
If season ticket price increases in the prem were approx 25% for all teams then our price increase would be one of the smallest so maybe we should just compare our price rises with other clubs this season and next season. I don't think we would narrow the gap against other clubs in £'s.
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by Milltown1882 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:10 pm
Further proof that Burnley fans want everything for nothing. They could give free season tickets and some of our fans would still moan that they have to pay for a halftime brew.
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by Goliath » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:25 pm
It's not really about people wanting something for nothing. It's more about the very small financial benefit they gain from it whilst making everyone pay a bit more. It's not a good look and gives the impression of trying to wrangle every penny possible out of the fans to line the pockets.
It's clearly a PR own goal when we were in need of a boost as a fan base. Instead It's a kick in the balls and increases the distrust and connect between fans and owners.
They also deserve to take the hit financially after the absolute balls up they've made this season in terms of the match day experience
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by Shaun1983 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:45 pm
Just checked mine and they are trying to charge my 8 year old £504 for an adult ticket for next season. Has anyone else noticed a mistake like this?
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by Shaun1983 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:48 pm
wilks_bfc wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm
Looks like it. Mines now returned
But my 10yr old nephew is down as an adult
Did you get this sorted? My 8 year old is also down as an adult
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by Rileybobs » Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:50 pm
Shaun1983 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:48 pm
Did you get this sorted? My 8 year old is also down as an adult
They grow up so fast.
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by dougcollins » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:26 pm
Shaun1983 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:48 pm
Did you get this sorted? My 8 year old is also down as an adult
It's like something has gone awry on friends and family. My missus has been elevated to 65+, she's not at all happy.
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by Leisure » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:37 pm
StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:28 pm
Maybe the increase is because we have to pay City another £4,000,000 now that our reserve goalkeeper has somehow got an England call up.
Give it a rest for f sake!
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by wilks_bfc » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:38 pm
Shaun1983 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:48 pm
Did you get this sorted? My 8 year old is also down as an adult
No not haven’t had chance yet
Think either myself or my brother (his dad) will go down to ticket office rather than try get through on phone or send an email
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by wilks_bfc » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:40 pm
dougcollins wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:26 pm
It's like something has gone awry on friends and family. My missus has been elevated to 65+, she's not at all happy.
Her ticket will be cheaper though
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by Steve-Harpers-perm » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:42 pm
Choice is simple pay it or don’t and go and find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon or like a few on here watch it from the comfort of your armchair and still continue to moan at 5pm on here.
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by Acting Claret » Wed Mar 27, 2024 11:08 pm
Mine was £415 two years ago, went up to £480 last year, which was a big jump. This year it’s going to be £525.So a £110 increase in two years.
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by KRBFC » Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:39 am
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:07 pm
Might be an over reaction but my slight rant and feelings I have about it all -
The once blurred line between BFC as a local community club and its takeover by American v̶u̶l̶t̶u̶r̶e̶s̶ financiers is becoming more and more apparent with each passing day.
I'll always love the club but I find myself contemplating not bothering going on anymore. I can't always get on these days after having a ST for years - one off tickets were up at £45-65 for a game this season, ended up dropping circa £300 on just 5 games, all of which btw were convincing defeats.
The club should do more for local fans - we're a club that absolutely will rely on local fans when times aren't as good just as we have done in the past.
Burnley is hardly an affluent town - families especially are effectively being priced out going on the Turf right now and it's so important to bring young Clarets on to get the sort of 'drug' or buzz of going on and supporting BFC; it's easy enough for them to go and support a 'big team'.. Might not be apparent now but in 10-20 years it will be BUT wouldn't be the first time where MBAs and Finance dudes are short-term profit above all else...
Spot on mate, Americans don’t understand Burnley, this decision shows it. A run down crap hole with little opportunity and families living in poverty. A far cry from the bright lights of London, at big clubs with huge waiting lists.
A poor Town team should be doing their absolute all to give back to the community, young children who would love to attend but their skint single mother is working her arse off and can only just keep the lights on. The club would rather push them away than help provide a little light in their life.
Raise the price for what? An absolute pittance, peanuts compare to the income we received for the TV deal. The club needs young fans, the next generation, help them attend not rip them off.
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by Clive 1960 » Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:52 am
think the club have made a big mistake with increasing season tickets for young people , with the over 65 the club probably thinks people are living longer..
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by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:38 am
Could be worse, the club could charge interest for those that pay monthly by DD or even stop the DD option all together
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by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:54 am
Clive 1960 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 12:52 am
think the club have made a big mistake with increasing season tickets for young people , with the over 65 the club probably thinks people are living longer..
Season ticket's in the JM stand for an u12 works out at £1.05 per week and also works out at £2.39 per game in the championship, around £ 5 per game around other parts of the ground.
The season ticket DD per month for an Adult ticket is probably the cheapest DD that comes out of most people's bank accounts each month when you look at gas, electricity, Broadband, sky tv, car insurance and council tax, my council tax is around £240 a month from this April
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by Newcastleclaret93 » Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:23 am
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:54 am
Season ticket's in the JM stand for an u12 works out at £1.05 per week and also works out at £2.39 per game in the championship, around £ 5 per game around other parts of the ground.
The season ticket DD per month for an Adult ticket is probably the cheapest DD that comes out of most people's bank accounts each month when you look at gas, electricity, Broadband, sky tv, car insurance and council tax, my council tax is around £240 a month from this April
Football is never going to change with people like yourself defending the club for upping prices.
Let’s get it right this nothing short of a money grab. This increase dramatically affects the fans and offers the club the absolute minimal.
Germany has got football spot on, the fans keep the clubs honest.
For some reason our fans just accept it
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by AGENT_CLARET » Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:41 am
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:23 am
Football is never going to change with people like yourself defending the club for upping prices.
Let’s get it right this nothing short of a money grab. This increase dramatically affects the fans and offers the club the absolute minimal.
Germany has got football spot on, the fans keep the clubs honest.
For some reason our fans just accept it
Money grabbing is:
Matching our prices (one of the lowest) to one of the highest
Taking away the DD Option
Charging Interest on DD payment's
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by taio » Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:49 am
AGENT_CLARET wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:41 am
Money grabbing is:
Matching our prices (one of the lowest) to one of the highest
Taking away the DD Option
Charging Interest on DD payment's
Money grabbing is increasing prices by 25% - 55% for some people. I'm not affected by that - my adult ticket has gone up by 5% which is ok - but feel for those who have seen eye watering increases, especially a family disproportionately affected.
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by yosserhughes » Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:10 am
Can I just ask when does the early bird prices finish.
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by Spike » Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:24 am
Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 9:10 pm
Further proof that Burnley fans want everything for nothing. They could give free season tickets and some of our fans would still moan that they have to pay for a halftime brew.
Paying for a brew isn’t mandatory but for me having a season ticket is
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by TPClaret » Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:27 am
When did the U22 category start. I’m sure I went straight to adult price when I was 18.
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by beddie » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:48 am
I was out yesterday so just had chance to look this morning. Our Seniors in the JHL last year was £250 - this year it’s £346. I’ve had to double check I’m right but that’s an increase of 38.4%. I’ve had the two standard emails from the club showing the prices but I haven’t see any explanation from them about the increases.
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by bigdavethemaddog » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:51 am
wait until Sky get their hands on the fixture list. Friday evening, Saturday lunchtime and Monday night games galore as the new TV deal kicks in this summer
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by Spike » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:55 am
beddie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:48 am
I was out yesterday so just had chance to look this morning. Our Seniors in the JHL last year was £250 - this year it’s £346. I’ve had to double check I’m right but that’s an increase of 38.4%. I’ve had the two standard emails from the club showing the prices but I haven’t see any explanation from them about the increases.
100% correct
It’s to reward your years of loyalty
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by Eloise Laws » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:57 am
Can I just ask when does the early bird prices finish.
You need to renew before the deadline of Friday 19th April 2024.
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by Murger » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:08 am
Eloise Laws wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:57 am
You need to renew before the deadline of Friday 19th April 2024.
So for those who want to buy 1 for the 1st time, will have to pay non- early bird prices?
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by Falcon » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:11 am
Found this online listing each Championship club's cheapest season ticket price for the current season.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/473 ... -football/
Assuming none of them change prices (which is quite an assumption) then our cheapest adult ticket (JM lower) at the new prices would be the 11th cheapest out of the 24 teams.
Not defending the concession price rises at all. Just a bit of perspective as far as adult ticket prices go.
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by GetIntoEm » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:12 am
A lot of moaning going on, but how many are declining to renew? People will accept it and move on. Therefore it's been a success for the club. Sad but true
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by Ric_C » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:16 am
Can anyone else login this morning on the site? Getting the spinning wheel of death
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by GetIntoEm » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:23 am
Spike wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 7:24 am
Paying for a brew isn’t mandatory but for me having a season ticket is
It would depend if I had to put my own milk in and it was filled to the top. Or it's no deal.
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by Big Vinny K » Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:56 am
GetIntoEm wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:12 am
A lot of moaning going on, but how many are declining to renew? People will accept it and move on. Therefore it's been a success for the club. Sad but true
Plenty of moaning ?
What kind of stupid comment is that ?
At this stage we have no idea whether it will be a success for the club. The extent of how many people choose to not renew will emerge in the next 2 or 3 years. You might not see that much of a reduction this season but if we fail to go back up next year I think you will start to see a significant drop off.
Affordability and success on the pitch are the only 2 reasons why we get bigger crowds than the likes of Blackburn, Preston, Bolton etc. If we continue to put prices up like the last couple of years and remain in the championship we will be back down to between 12 and 15 thousand attendance a week. Let’s see how many walk ons we get at £70 a game when we are 15th in the championship.
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