Mark Clattenburg - Forest

[CrosspoolClarets]

When discussed on here a few weeks ago about his new job there was split opinion on of it should be allowed.

Now, after being seen sat with Howard Webb on Wednesday, he is sent out by Forest to speak to 5 Live after the late Liverpool winner. Citing a drop ball rules error by Tierney, and he apparently tried to see Tierney after the game but wasn’t allowed in.

Strikes me that if refs don’t have a right to reply in the media, and if clubs are hiring ex referees to lobby on their behalf, including in the media, which is then only one side of a story, that is an attempt to sway referees in the future and it shouldn’t be allowed (or what other reason can there be to do it). People will take what Clattenburg says as gospel truth because he is a “expert” whereas lots of incidents will be subjective.

It clearly IS allowed, but I’m not sure it should be.

I’d like us to stay up of course, so it was good that they all lost today, but if we go down I’d like Luton to stay up just because of all these types of tactics by the bigger clubs than them or us. Even if it harms our chances of promotion the next season.

[daveisaclaret]

I'd like to think our fans would call it out if we were engaged in cry arse behaviour like this. A needlessly pathetic way for a football club to behave.

[Somethingfishy]

Just think who Forest are owned by. Marinakis. The guy who stormed the referees room at half time in Athens during our game with Olympiakos. That second half performance from the referee that night was bizarre and very one sided.
He came down from his box today to be at the touchline at the end. Up to his tricks again.

[ClaretTony]

Marinakis at it again just as he was when we played Olympiacos

[ClaretTony]

Just think who Forest are owned by. Marinakis. The guy who stormed the referees room at half time in Athens during our game with Olympiakos. That second half performance from the referee that night was bizarre and very one sided.
He came down from his box today to be at the touchline at the end. Up to his tricks again.

Posted at the same time - he's shocking

[CrosspoolClarets]

That’s why I’d like to see Forest drop no matter what even if it gives us tougher competition next season - after Athens etc.

But this bleating by an ex FIFA elite ref on their behalf about a drop ball at the other end of the pitch - it pales into insignificance compared to what we have had, including ref induced 3 point swings to both the two teams directly above us, both of whom we had fairly beaten.

[dougcollins]

I must have missed this reference- I take it Clattenburg is now a Forest employee?

[NewClaret]

I must have missed this reference- I take it Clattenburg is now a Forest employee?

‘Consultant’

[NewClaret]

Strange as it is, I can sort of see why Forest have done it. Applies some pressure on the ref and VAR to know they’ll have an ex-ref watching and commenting on their performance. Plus keeps their manager out of trouble as he doesn’t have to comment on mistakes.

[dougcollins]

I’ve not seen this incident. Does he have a point?

Should the drop ball have gone to a Forest player?

[bobinho]

It’s a bit cloak and dagger, a bit snidey, and it’s only allowed because no one really thought they’d need to write a rule about it because no one thought a club would employ these sort of underhand tactics.
Really, it’s just cheating.

Exploiting every loophole they possibly can in order to stay in the big league….

They’ll say they’ve employed him to help the players understand the rules a bit better, but we all know what they are doing really. Will anyone call it out for what it is though?

[Quickenthetempo]

I’ve not seen this incident. Does he have a point?

Should the drop ball have gone to a Forest player?

Common sense says the team with the ball when you stop play should receive the drop ball, but I'm sure there is a daft rule to support the ref.

Also Players have gone too far with feigning head injuries to stop play and then just getting up like nothing has happened.

[TheFamilyCat]

I must have missed this reference- I take it Clattenburg is now a Forest employee?

And Gladiators referee.

[Goody1975]

Forest should have been given the ball back, however in the long list of **** ups by the refereeing teams this season and there effects on the result of games, it's somewhere on page two in terms of direct consequence.

[Eyesofblue2]

I can still remember him going card daft in the second half of a Burnley v Hull game in the 14/15 season, it was quite bizarre, 10 yellows virtually all for no good reason, none that was apparent anyway, it wasn't a dirty game and was being played in a good spirit by both teams. I wouldn't trust Clattenberg as far as I could throw him.

[JarrowClaret]

I’ve not seen this incident. Does he have a point?

Should the drop ball have gone to a Forest player?

Not seen it either but from reading the online comments about it the only 2 cases for the drop ball going to the keeper are:
1. If the incident happens in the area
2. If the last touch was in the area

By all accounts Hudson odoi had the ball under control in the wing so if that is true then yes the ball should have gone back to Forest, looks to be a ref cock up. That said he isn’t the reason why they didn’t defend the attack properly.

It must be said though that the ref applied the drop ball rule in exactly the same way earlier but in favour of Forest so this looks to be a mistake rather than something that could be linked to this corruption/ big club bias crap.

[beddie]

It was a shocking decision though by Tierney. He needs pulling up for that.

[Hipper]

And Gladiators referee.

I turned on my TV yesterday and Gladiators was on. I don't think I've ever seen it and I know I won't look at it again! Anyway, they introduced the referee and I thought they said Mark Clattenburg and it did look like him. Did he used to shout 'Forest Ready', 'Liverpool Ready' etc.!

Club's having a Referee Analyst though. Sadly it's not surprising and I suppose the way things are with media presentation, hardly surprising. More employment opportunities for ex referees, like Sky have Mike Dean. Also more pressure on actual referees. Have other clubs got them? I don't recall hearing of one before.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Ref analyst!!! Saw this last night and my first thought was I can’t wait to get out of this league. Everything that is wrong with football. Maybe we’ll sign Mike Dean this week.

[mikeS]

If it's not VAR, or blue cards one week it's clubs employing referees the next.
What a state the game has become.

[taio]

It should be banned

[expoultryboy]

It was a shocking decision and watching the footage , forest should of had a penalty from the corner . Pretty sure if it had happened at the other end it would have been given .

[RammyClaret61]

Not seen it either but from reading the online comments about it the only 2 cases for the drop ball going to the keeper are:
1. If the incident happens in the area
2. If the last touch was in the area

By all accounts Hudson odoi had the ball under control in the wing so if that is true then yes the ball should have gone back to Forest, looks to be a ref cock up. That said he isn’t the reason why they didn’t defend the attack properly.

It must be said though that the ref applied the drop ball rule in exactly the same way earlier but in favour of Forest so this looks to be a mistake rather than something that could be linked to this corruption/ big club bias crap.

Also regarding the two drop balls. Clattenberg said because they where in different areas of the pitch, the rules are different for each one.

[Lu-tze]

Not seen it either but from reading the online comments about it the only 2 cases for the drop ball going to the keeper are:
1. If the incident happens in the area
2. If the last touch was in the area

By all accounts Hudson odoi had the ball under control in the wing so if that is true then yes the ball should have gone back to Forest, looks to be a ref cock up. That said he isn’t the reason why they didn’t defend the attack properly.

It must be said though that the ref applied the drop ball rule in exactly the same way earlier but in favour of Forest so this looks to be a mistake rather than something that could be linked to this corruption/ big club bias crap.

Think the head injury was in the area though so does that mean he was following the laws?

Didn’t we have the same thing happen at the turf? Can’t remember the game but just remember everyone going ballistic that the ball got given to the opposition keeper after the ref had stopped the game even though we’d been in possession then when I got back and looked on here everyone was saying that was the new law in that situation.

[JarrowClaret]

Also regarding the two drop balls. Clattenberg said because they where in different areas of the pitch, the rules are different for each one.

No idea as I said I didn’t watch but from reading online the ref applied the same rule incorrectly for both sides. The point still stands though no matter the refs decision they conceded because they didn’t defend it properly.

[Bordeauxclaret]

It was a shocking decision and watching the footage , forest should of had a penalty from the corner . Pretty sure if it had happened at the other end it would have been given .

Definite penalty. Klopp has put pressure on Tierney a couple of times previously, clearly paying off.

[TheFamilyCat]

I turned on my TV yesterday and Gladiators was on. I don't think I've ever seen it and I know I won't look at it again! Anyway, they introduced the referee and I thought they said Mark Clattenburg and it did look like him. Did he used to shout 'Forest Ready', 'Liverpool Ready' etc.!

Club's having a Referee Analyst though. Sadly it's not surprising and I suppose the way things are with media presentation, hardly surprising. More employment opportunities for ex referees, like Sky have Mike Dean. Also more pressure on actual referees. Have other clubs got them? I don't recall hearing of one before.

We'd end up with Lee Mason.

[dougcollins]

We'd end up with Lee Mason.

The only consultant who found in favour of the opponents.

[Lip]

And Gladiators referee.

That's about all he's fit for..

[Vegas Claret]

Tierney is VAR tonight for Sheff utd v Arsenal

[Vegas Claret]

I read that wrong, he's doing Brentford v Arsenal at the weekend, no punishment or accountability