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Beyer
what's happened to this guy he was out before Xmas and Vincent said short term and now he's saying he can't see him playing again in last 5 games , did he have a set back..
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out for the season
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We don’t need to know about player availability, rejoice in the news that Usain Bolt visited Gawthorpe.
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What would you like exactly?firstclaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:46 amWe don’t need to know about player availability, rejoice in the news that Usain Bolt visited Gawthorpe.
A 32 player question, that Kompany has to answer to each
Available, Selected
Not available
Available, Not selected
Ad nauseam?
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Some honesty, consistency and transparency would be a good start!... If he has time to spout nonsense about the project in every interview, he has time to quickly update us, on who pays the player's wages on the few players who are out injured instead of all this cloak-and-dagger claptrap.What would you like exactly?
A 32 player question, that Kompany has to answer to each
Available, Selected
Not available
Available, Not selected
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Better to save him for the Championship (and Koleosho) rather than risk flaring up their injury in the remaining dead rubbers. He will surely be a key player for us once again at that level.
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Don’t think anyone wants that no.CharlieinNewMexico wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:44 amWhat would you like exactly?
A 32 player question, that Kompany has to answer to each
Available, Selected
Not available
Available, Not selected
Ad nauseam?
But some supporters might want more of an update on why a player who cost £13m has hardly kicked a ball this season after playing nearly all of the previous season and being arguably our best player.
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Agree with the above….. the lack of info on injuries nowadays is just weird. I know there has been previous discussion of this with some posters getting all previous about “medical confidentiality” but that’s nonsense…. I don’t need to know the exact nature of a player’s condition but I do want to be informed along the lines of “it’s a calf problem and we’re not expecting him to be available for a couple of months” or somesuch. I don’t remember this level of secrecy when Sam Vokes did his ACL for instance.
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Agreed Stalbans. I cannot think of another PL club that is so dam cagey about player injuries. Beyer was one of our outstanding signings last season, showing massive potential and a key defender. This year he has barely featured and no one has a clue why.Why does the club act this way-just a little info would be so appreciated. BFC needs to get realStalbansclaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:44 amAgree with the above….. the lack of info on injuries nowadays is just weird. I know there has been previous discussion of this with some posters getting all previous about “medical confidentiality” but that’s nonsense…. I don’t need to know the exact nature of a player’s condition but I do want to be informed along the lines of “it’s a calf problem and we’re not expecting him to be available for a couple of months” or somesuch. I don’t remember this level of secrecy when Sam Vokes did his ACL for instance.
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In mentioning Koleosho I suppose you could say we were lucky he got injured, otherwise he would surely be targeted by a Premier League club.jedi_master wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:39 amBetter to save him for the Championship (and Koleosho) rather than risk flaring up their injury in the remaining dead rubbers. He will surely be a key player for us once again at that level.
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yesterday was the first I heard about a long term injury to Al Dakhil who is also out until next season
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Delcroix also who played really well at Spurs in the cup then hasn't had a look in since.
Ekdal and McNally will both be gone though.
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With Beyer and Al Dakhil VK said they wouldn't feature, just complete their recovery for next season.
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I think I remember Kompany saying that Beyer was 'close' in a pre-match press conference about 2 months ago.
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Ekdal played well v Brighton and prior to injury looked a prospect Our issues this season have not been our cbs since O Shea and Esteve played together . It was our powderpuff midfield , Trafford and slow build up that lost games.
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I would venture that fans' financial input into the club pays only a small fraction of player's wages.BigChaCha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:26 amSome honesty, consistency and transparency would be a good start!... If he has time to spout nonsense about the project in every interview, he has time to quickly update us, on who pays the player's wages on the few players who are out injured instead of all this cloak-and-dagger claptrap.
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I'd suggest that since O'shea & Esteve have only been the partnership since game 25 and have conceded 17 goals in the 8 games they have played together, they are still very much part of the problem. That's before you consider the 19 different defensive combinations we tried in the build up to settling on O'Shea and Esteve.Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 12:37 pmOur issues this season have not been our cbs since O Shea and Esteve played together . It was our powderpuff midfield , Trafford and slow build up that lost games.
Abandoning our approach (and the players experienced in that approach) from last season, along with a 'revolution not evolution' approach to the squad has been the biggest killer of our season.
But I do like how you mention Trafford specifically as a reason we lost games.
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Which clubs are you referring to ?
Check the FPL website and you will see injury updates from virtually every premier league club and most of them are direct quotes or video clips from the weekly managers press conference.
There’s even an expected return date for the injured players which is very accurate and details of the nature of the injury.
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Burnley express reported yesterday that Beyer and Al-Dakhil were out for the season, but koleosho was close to a return.
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I have a copy of last Saturday’s Daily Mail and for every PL player that is deemed OUT the type of injury is listed in over 90% of cases be it knee, calf, hamstring, groin etc. It may suit the agenda of some to say it is the “norm” but that doesn’t mean that it’s true or a fact.
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Surely koleosho isn't going to be one of those that just randomly appears back on the bench without any game time in the reserves after such a long injuryfidelcastro wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:55 pmBurnley express reported yesterday that Beyer and Al-Dakhil were out for the season, but koleosho was close to a return.
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Not always the case. Eddie Howe has recently given full explanations of injuries for both Botman & Lascelles, how they happened and what decisions were taken and when. He revealed when surgery had taken place. Every Newcastle fan knew exactly what the situation was.
Here, nothing was said about Redmond until he posted a pic on social media from hospital, we’ve had nothing about Beyer or Al-Dakhil and Kompany refused to say what injury Ramsey had sustained. It was an ACL by the way.
I really don’t understand our reluctance to give out basic information.
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Maybe they don't want potential suitors knowing too much detail about players we see profit in with future sales.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:27 pmNot always the case. Eddie Howe has recently given full explanations of injuries for both Botman & Lascelles, how they happened and what decisions were taken and when. He revealed when surgery had taken place. Every Newcastle fan knew exactly what the situation was.
Here, nothing was said about Redmond until he posted a pic on social media from hospital, we’ve had nothing about Beyer or Al-Dakhil and Kompany refused to say what injury Ramsey had sustained. It was an ACL by the way.
I really don’t understand our reluctance to give out basic information.
Or could just be that players have to give permission
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As mentioned above, the Burnley express reported the injury latest yesterday.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:27 pmNot always the case. Eddie Howe has recently given full explanations of injuries for both Botman & Lascelles, how they happened and what decisions were taken and when. He revealed when surgery had taken place. Every Newcastle fan knew exactly what the situation was.
Here, nothing was said about Redmond until he posted a pic on social media from hospital, we’ve had nothing about Beyer or Al-Dakhil and Kompany refused to say what injury Ramsey had sustained. It was an ACL by the way.
I really don’t understand our reluctance to give out basic information.
https://www.burnleyexpress.net/sport/fo ... sh-4596447
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Ok. So what’s changed then. Dyche used to answer and tell us someone was on the grass and we’d laugh hysterically and not expect to see them for 3 months. Is it better to answer and not be truthful or just not say anything.
Maybe we just don’t want to reveal our cards to the future opposition
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Funny how he hasn't explained Joelintons exclusion since christmasClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:27 pmNot always the case. Eddie Howe has recently given full explanations of injuries for both Botman & Lascelles, how they happened and what decisions were taken and when. He revealed when surgery had taken place. Every Newcastle fan knew exactly what the situation was.
Here, nothing was said about Redmond until he posted a pic on social media from hospital, we’ve had nothing about Beyer or Al-Dakhil and Kompany refused to say what injury Ramsey had sustained. It was an ACL by the way.
I really don’t understand our reluctance to give out basic information.
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You mean other than Howe confirming at the end of January that he will be out for a minimum of 6 weeks with a serious thigh injury ?Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:50 amFunny how he hasn't explained Joelintons exclusion since christmas
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He has explained it. Most club managers do.Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:50 amFunny how he hasn't explained Joelintons exclusion since christmas
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It may just be due to Kompany's history of injury. He's probably quite sensitive to the subject and feels like some managers were better at dealing with it than others by not discussing it publically.
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Yeah I don't think he really has
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Howe has had to show some sort of transparency because of all the off field antics which have been videoed and been going around which their lawyers will be dealing with, hence the firesale they tried in January and needing to get rid of 4 or 5 who have been upto stuff Kyle Walker would be proud of
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Is this any different to Dyche's reticence to talk about injury lay offs? It was a long running joke on here when he used 'touch and go' and 'back on the grass' and you wouldn't see a player for months.
With the Koleosho injury, Kompany said he was out for a while but couldn’t share the ‘medical details’. I’m not sure how it works nowadays but maybe it’s dependent on the player / specific medical team.
With the Koleosho injury, Kompany said he was out for a while but couldn’t share the ‘medical details’. I’m not sure how it works nowadays but maybe it’s dependent on the player / specific medical team.
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A lot different - we were at least told usually what the injuries were.Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:08 amIs this any different to Dyche's reticence to talk about injury lay offs? It was a long running joke on here when he used 'touch and go' and 'back on the grass' and you wouldn't see a player for months.
With the Koleosho injury, Kompany said he was out for a while but couldn’t share the ‘medical details’. I’m not sure how it works nowadays but maybe it’s dependent on the player / specific medical team.
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Take the 5-0 drubbing by Arsenal out though and that 17 goals is reduced to 12 in 7, which isn't too bad for a team at the wrong end of the table.Darthlaw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:18 pmI'd suggest that since O'shea & Esteve have only been the partnership since game 25 and have conceded 17 goals in the 8 games they have played together, they are still very much part of the problem. That's before you consider the 19 different defensive combinations we tried in the build up to settling on O'Shea and Esteve.
Abandoning our approach (and the players experienced in that approach) from last season, along with a 'revolution not evolution' approach to the squad has been the biggest killer of our season.
But I do like how you mention Trafford specifically as a reason we lost games.
He's correct in his assessment imo. Regularly playing Amdouni (passenger) really made us weak off the ball, easy to play through and he also used to lose the ball at a pretty high rate. Traff with his limited passing range and lack of vision simply allowed teams to press us much higher up the pitch or have the ball coming back to us at a much higher rate.
Can hardly say those conclusions are wrong; had enough of a sample size now to see the differences.
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So Howe did explain the injury Joelinton had ?Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:59 amHowe has had to show some sort of transparency because of all the off field antics which have been videoed and been going around which their lawyers will be dealing with, hence the firesale they tried in January and needing to get rid of 4 or 5 who have been upto stuff Kyle Walker would be proud of
Is this the same Joelinton he was trying to sell that he has just given a new whopping contract to ?
Howe has also just given an injury update this week on a number of other players. They must have been up to no good to eh.
Not really sure why people are arguing against the point that we are the exception here. The vast majority of clubs and managers provide provide a lot more detail on their players injuries and expected return than we do.
And before anyone asks why am I or others “obsessed” with wanting to know about players injuries (as usually comes up on this debate)…..I’m not !!
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He stated the issues haven’t been our cb’s since O’Shea and Estève have been the partnership. Even using your figures, if you think conceding an average of almost 2 goals a game isn’t an issue, you’re deluded.CoolClaret wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 12:03 pmTake the 5-0 drubbing by Arsenal out though and that 17 goals is reduced to 12 in 7, which isn't too bad for a team at the wrong end of the table.
Can hardly say those conclusions are wrong; had enough of a sample size now to see the differences.
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For any stattos out there, and back to the topic of Beyer, interestingly his partnership with O’Shea conceded 20 goals in 10 games including games against City, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa. by comparison to O’Shea and Estève who conceded 21 in 10 facing Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea along the way.
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Never said it was great now!
Do agree with your assessment on abandoning our approach/players experienced in our approach has been the main killer though.