Nottingham Forest tweet

[Darnhill Claret]

Why would you advise a club that a points increase is unlikely. The options available should be clearly defined and able for a club to refer to. To state that a points increase is unlikely is almost encouraging a club to appeal.

[forzagranata]

Give 'em a 3 point deduction for whinging.

Four points would be more handy....five to be safe....

[Darthlaw]

Man U tweet incoming after the pen that’s just been given, after Grealish’s one yesterday

Abject lesson in VAR inconsistency

[SouthamptonClaret]

Crystal Palace have just tweeted,

"Five extremely good goals - two goals conceded - which we simply have to accept".

[taio]

The PL has a massive problem if the panel reduces Forest's points deduction and that's what saves them and sends another club down.

[Anonymous Claret]

This!

The same man has had the identical scenario to consider and given polar opposite decisions which have negatively impacted Luton’s competitors.

He may not be bent but it doesn’t look great from the outside looking in.

Its not the first time with Attwell. We suffered at Villa. Have there been any other dubious decisions he has been involved in that have favoured Luton?
From personal experience I find it very difficult being objective regarding decisions that affect Burnley. If Attwell is human like me and also a big Luton fan he may also struggle to be objective also. He may have every intention of remaining impartial but even if he does not consciously make decisions that favour Luton his unconscious mind may think differently. He just shouldn't be put in that position in the first place.

[jrgbfc]

Tbh i'm not even that fussed about staying in the Prem, but would be great to send Forest down.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Obviously all done deliberately to set the media agenda regarding unfair decisions and pressurise the decision makers ahead of the appeal.

It’s what any organisation in a similar situation would do (except us).

[Taffy on the wing]

Its not the first time with Attwell. We suffered at Villa. Have there been any other dubious decisions he has been involved in that have favoured Luton?
From personal experience I find it very difficult being objective regarding decisions that affect Burnley. If Attwell is human like me and also a big Luton fan he may also struggle to be objective also. He may have every intention of remaining impartial but even if he does not consciously make decisions that favour Luton his unconscious mind may think differently. He just shouldn't be put in that position in the first place.

The Villa one was awful!

[Steddyman]

Surely calling the officiating corrupt on the official twitter account should have a point penalty associated to it. That's ridiculous.

[Middle-agedClaret]

Mmmmmm…
My perception, for much of this season, is that many posters on here:
a) feel there is a conspiracy against BFC by “the big clubs”, the PL, all media pundits, all refs, VAR, all media, etc
b) have been critical of BFC for not vigorously and promptly complaining against the unfair/biased/corrupt decisions against us, all of which arise from (a)
c) both of the above

Interesting to see what the correlation is between those posters, and those now criticising Forest for, er…calling out unfair and unjust decisions.
Funny game, football.
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[claptrappers_union]

Forest have to come out fighting. And although it looks like sour grapes they will be sick to the back teeth of crap decisions that have cost them points. As fans, those decisions won't be noticeable because mistakes that affect the bottom clubs don't get the media coverage or scrutiny.

Probably like them, we've had had **** decisions all season too

PGMOL, match officials, VAR, and Howard Webb has made the game all about them and I hate them for it

[Sgt. Pepper]

The Premier League is becoming dysfunctional. Points deductions and their subsequent reductions on appeal are becoming as important as on field performance in the relegation battle with only a few games to go.
All the while Man City and Chelsea have pending charges, which in City's case seems to be taking an eternity to bring to bear.
And as for VAR, I think we can all agree it's implementation has been a bit of a mess.
Fans who actually attend games (or legacy fans as they're laughingly often referred to) are becoming less important to the business model, and as such are becoming increasingly alienated.
Forest's owner is a basket case, which doesn't help, but I can see litigation on the horizon, which isn't surprising as football at the top level has been about nothing apart from money for some time.

[Bosscat]

"Wonders" was the VAR official at Stockley Pk covering the Semi between Cov and Yoontid a Yoontid fan ruling out the "injury time in extra time" goal for a toenail offside

[Rick_Muller]

I suspect they'll try and go down this route and it was only a matter of time - precedent was set in Belgium this season
https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/a ... 024-01-27/

We’d have to replay most of the season!

[123EasyasBFC]

Stuart atwell in VAR for Everton vs forest is a Luton fan. He gave a dodgy pen last few minutes against us away at Villa and he also disallowed a perfectly good goal for Everton away at spurs. It does make you wonder

[NewClaret]

Why would you advise a club that a points increase is unlikely. The options available should be clearly defined and able for a club to refer to. To state that a points increase is unlikely is almost encouraging a club to appeal.

Just read it again, actually says ‘sky sports news has been told a points increase is highly unlikely’… so maybe more an assessment of likelihood of an increase vs what Forest had been told:

https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/ ... psr-breach

[NewClaret]

"Wonders" was the VAR official at Stockley Pk covering the Semi between Cov and Yoontid a Yoontid fan ruling out the "injury time in extra time" goal for a toenail offside

These toenail offside decisions are infuriating. We just need to scrap VAR.

[Vegas Claret]

We’d have to replay most of the season!

that's the danger

[Vegas Claret]

Forest have to come out fighting. And although it looks like sour grapes they will be sick to the back teeth of crap decisions that have cost them points. As fans, those decisions won't be noticeable because mistakes that affect the bottom clubs don't get the media coverage or scrutiny.

Probably like them, we've had had **** decisions all season too

PGMOL, match officials, VAR, and Howard Webb has made the game all about them and I hate them for it

They've blamed VAR decisions on the bloke being a Luton fan. I've searched for Forest's tweet about us being done by Atwell at Villa but can't find it

[dougcollins]

Who was on VAR when we were away to Forest?

[claptrappers_union]

Stuart atwell in VAR for Everton vs forest is a Luton fan. He gave a dodgy pen last few minutes against us away at Villa and he also disallowed a perfectly good goal for Everton away at spurs. It does make you wonder

Especially if there was a concern raised by Forest before the match.

I know clubs shouldn't be able to pick and choose who officiates their games, but not taking them out of the potential firing line is just a clanger waiting to happen involving that official.

[dougcollins]

Especially if there was a concern raised by Forest before the match.

I know clubs shouldn't be able to pick and choose who officiates their games, but not taking them out of the potential firing line is just a clanger waiting to happen involving that official.

No way. That's like accepting an official isn't impartial.

[CombatClaret]

Who was on VAR when we were away to Forest?

Jack Ruby

[expoultryboy]

Don't want to be controversial , but i was at Villa and thought it was a penalty . Ramsey was naive that day .

[Darthlaw]

Don't want to be controversial , but i was at Villa and thought it was a penalty . Ramsey was naive that day .

Then it’s a penalty today.

That’s the problem.

[Coeus]

VARCICAL VAR controversy mars Championship play-off final as Huddersfield are denied two penalties as Nottingham Forest go up

Headline from the Sun online in 2022. Still there if you Google. Don’t remember them making any fuss then?

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Glad to see they are rattled at this stage of the season . They were robbed today, but we have also been robbed so many times this season in crucial games, including Forest (a).

[claptrappers_union]

No way. That's like accepting an official isn't impartial.

And looks where it's got them…

… that said, a similar tweet might've gone out anyway had the same decisions been made without the Luton fans involvement.

End of the day. This seasons officiating has been utter garbage and Forest are calling it out.

[burnmark]

Who was on VAR when we were away to Forest?

Wasn’t it Darren ‘Worst Referee In’ England?

[boyyanno]

Two minds really. One, you should never resort to somthing like this, they didn't need to add the bit about him being a Luton fan- questioning his integrity like that so publicly is a bit of a disgrace. But Two: They should have had at least one penalty today, I feel their pain- yes they've benefitted from decisions in the past but is that really the point? There have been some truly baffling decisions this season.

VAR isn't fit for purpose the way it's been used in the PL this year- that's my honest opinion. I think I'd rather see clubs challenging the whole thing instead of letting the shambles carry on the way it is.

[Vegas Claret]

Two minds really. One, you should never resort to somthing like this, they didn't need to add the bit about him being a Luton fan- questioning his integrity like that so publicly is a bit of a disgrace. But Two: They should have had at least one penalty today, I feel their pain- yes they've benefitted from decisions in the past but is that really the point? There have been some truly baffling decisions this season.

VAR isn't fit for purpose the way it's been used in the PL this year- that's my honest opinion. I think I'd rather see clubs challenging the whole thing instead of letting the shambles carry on the way it is.

they worded it like a petulant 16 year old, from a professional organization in one of the highest profile sports leagues it's unacceptable. They massively brought the game into disrepute.

[IanMcL]

"Wonders" was the VAR official at Stockley Pk covering the Semi between Cov and Yoontid a Yoontid fan ruling out the "injury time in extra time" goal for a toenail offside

That was wicked. Prem must win. Certain clubs must win.

[claretspice]

Forest were certainly unlucky today. Easily could have had a couple of penalties. Perhaps should have. But lets be right - they're all VAR calls consistent with the way VAR has operated this season. Two of those appeals today are in the same class as the one we might have had last week against Brighton. The other is a handball appeal of a sort that has been gnarly all season but which has generally gone with the onfield decision (defender blocking a cross).

And, if officials are erring against Forest, then frankly who can blame them. Forest are doing their utmost to put undue pressure on referees, with the Clattenburg thing, this statement, the owner on the pitch and so on. If the refs are reacting to that by trying to ensure they aren't swayed by the pressure, I'm not sure anyone could blame them, and it'd be preferable to buckling to that pressure. Now for the PL to belatedly come down on Forest like a ton of bricks, as they should have done when Clattenburg first got involved.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I think after this outburst they can say goodbye to getting a point back. Come on premier league take a few more off, bringing the game into disrepute!

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Wasn’t it Darren ‘Worst Referee In’ England?

At least Clattenberg is officially on their payroll unlike Darren brown envelope.

[123EasyasBFC]

There’s always the ‘there’s a conscious bias’ towards top 6 clubs, same could be said for officials who are fans of certain clubs. If Atwell is a massive Luton then personally I don’t think he should be anywhere near a Everton Forest or Burnley game.

However the officials as a whole this season have been an absolute shambles, it’s funny that Howard Webb hasn’t done one of those ref mic’d up shows for last couple of months when there have been some outrageous decisions

[Bordeauxclaret]

The problem is these refs get worse week by week.

The standard this season has been awful.

[Darnhill Claret]

If I was a Luton fan I'd have wanted Everton v Forest to end as a draw, so for me VAR failed.

[Robbie_painter]

Surely calling the officiating corrupt on the official twitter account should have a point penalty associated to it. That's ridiculous.

Might be ridiculous but it ain’t wrong.

[bumba]

Don't want to be controversial , but i was at Villa and thought it was a penalty . Ramsey was naive that day .

Have you ever played football?
Has somebody ever kicked your studs at it hurt you?
The only person hurt in that situation is the person who performed the kick, Ramsey didn't even flinch which means minimal contact with the sole of the villas players foot yet he went over like he'd been shot and in agony, it was a dive and never a penalty

[boatshed bill]

Have you ever played football?
Has somebody ever kicked your studs at it hurt you?
The only person hurt in that situation is the person who performed the kick, Ramsey didn't even flinch which means minimal contact with the sole of the villas players foot yet he went over like he'd been shot and in agony, it was a dive and never a penalty

Probably a penalty in today's (PL) game, but soft as shyte.
I hate the way players contrive penalties, and worse still the pundits' regulation: "he had every right to go down"

[CrosspoolClarets]

What they have done here in making the Luton reference is question the integrity of the referee. That has to be unacceptable. I assume they will get a charge from the FA that will end in a fine.

This is the key point I think from Tony.

When I’ve raised the same issue many times this season I’ve made it clear that integrity is not in question, it is subconscious bias, and PGMOL should know this and have the same approach to avoiding issues between rivals in the table as they do regarding local rivals (i.e. a Blackburn ref cannot have a Burnley game). It has happened to us so often this season I have no doubt I am right.

But Forest are a) not just a fan, and b) are implying actual integrity problems. That surely will lead to a heavy chastisement.

Also, the on field ref was one of the world’s best. It is likely he made the right decisions. From what I have read there was a tap on the boot which refs are told should not be a penalty (our officials at Villa disagreed though, which affected us not ForestJ. I then read there was a handball claim but the freeze frame I saw implied natural positioning by Young. Then there was a tangle in the box. None seem clear cut penalties.

[ClaretTony]

This is the key point I think from Tony.

When I’ve raised the same issue many times this season I’ve made it clear that integrity is not in question, it is subconscious bias, and PGMOL should know this and have the same approach to avoiding issues between rivals in the table as they do regarding local rivals (i.e. a Blackburn ref cannot have a Burnley game). It has happened to us so often this season I have no doubt I am right.

But Forest are a) not just a fan, and b) are implying actual integrity problems. That surely will lead to a heavy chastisement.

Also, the on field ref was one of the world’s best. It is likely he made the right decisions. From what I have read there was a tap on the boot which refs are told should not be a penalty (our officials at Villa disagreed though, which affected us not ForestJ. I then read there was a handball claim but the freeze frame I saw implied natural positioning by Young. Then there was a tangle in the box. None seem clear cut penalties.

I think Forest have now taken to complaining if a throw in goes against them. They are making fools of themselves and someone has to take strong action against them.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Agree with Tony above.

Unfortunately you don’t get what you deserve in life and certainly not in the Premier League. It is too much to hope for, but the prospect of Maranakis at the Turf, us relegating them with ref assistance, staying up in the process, and JJ Watt in the director’s box (after his sarcy reply to Forest’s tweet today). Karma for Athens half time interventions.

Yep, it’s too much to hope for. But by heck, it’d be good

[boyyanno]

they worded it like a petulant 16 year old, from a professional organization in one of the highest profile sports leagues it's unacceptable. They massively brought the game into disrepute.

Don't disagree at all which is why I said as much.

I do think there's a separate point here though, I honestly believe this is the worst season I've ever seen in terms of bad refereeing and crap decisions, the standard feels like it's at an all time low and VAR has been awful. No consistency in how it's been used, baffling decisions and perceived big game bias. I honestly don't think it's been fit for purpose with how it's been used this year.

What they have done wrong is inferred that there's a bias in the officials decision making due to club allegiance which can't be done, but criticising the absolute mess that has been VAR this season is somthing I back whole heartedly.

[Wokingclaret]

From the man himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PA8q5Q-kTg

[Mark the Claret]

Some of the decisions this season have been dubious, referees need to be accountable, explaining their decisions, maybe mike them up so they can state their reasoning.

[CombatClaret]

"It's about time someone said it.

Unless anyone has proof that a referee or assistant referee is or has been involved in deliberate corruption then nobody has any place daring suggest it.

A f*****g easy and growing out for supporters that is driving numbers of refs down, that is used as an excuse for underperforming teams and organisations and is a growing cancer in the sport.

So I invite any supporter or legal firm to do one thing. Provide examples and proof of corruption against your club, put up or shut up. Because the constant erosion of the standing of officials has created a dearth of talent and numbers, which in turn leaves us with arguably a poor pool to pick from.

But corrupt? Do me a f******g favour.

Just one ref, and one example of corruption that you'd be willing to fund in a court of law.

Being a poor ref and being a corrupt ref are worlds apart and it's now the f*****g accepted go to excuse of clubs who have plenty of money and plenty of games to get their sh*t together."

Stan Collymore.
Not someone I thought I'd be giving a standing ovation.

[quoonbeatz]

None of those 3 incidents are penalties.