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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:29 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:10 pm
deliberately did not mention them - if this is true then the finances of ALK are very highly leveraged, I have been tracking the Serie A finances more this season and their TV rights negotiations are not going to plan at the moment, and a portion of that goes to Private Equity of the top - all in the MMT thread
Suggestions of MSD involvement from this slightly confused story https://www.clubdoria46.it/2021/02/01/c ... ele-volpi/

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:34 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:23 pm
A very prudent local ownership, running the club on a very tight financial basis, whilst putting money away for a rainy day...even with aspirations of replacing the Cricket field stand.

Then these same folk, stash their pockets with borrowed money, entirely at the expense of the club they invested in on a very careful basis!

The manager has been asking for a limited borrowing, against assets, to strengthen said assets.

Instead, that has been done, big time, with the winners being the former (mostly still present) directors.

That does not say much for Mr G or Mr B or am I being too harsh on them? What are they planning for their new excessive gains?
just what have you been reading?

this was a somewhat flippant post but there is something in it that I suspect has a grain of truth
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Then there is the possibility that Mike believed the single most important thing was for the club to keep Dyche (it is a popular notion after all), which wasn't happening if he stayed in charge so he took the least worst option on the table

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by scouseclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:40 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:10 pm
deliberately did not mention them - if this is true then the finances of ALK are very highly leveraged, I have been tracking the Serie A finances more this season and their TV rights negotiations are not going to plan at the moment, and a portion of that goes to Private Equity of the top - all in the MMT thread
MSD are indeed invovled...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suse/2020/ ... nterprise/?

Our problem is not so much that ALK is highly leveraged, but that the debt has been shifted onto the clubs they own. If it goes tits-up, they lose their reported £15m investment, we could lose our football club.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by scouseclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:45 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:29 pm
Suggestions of MSD involvement from this slightly confused story https://www.clubdoria46.it/2021/02/01/c ... ele-volpi/
Interesting also that Italian Burnley can be bought for less than a tenth of the price.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:53 pm

scouseclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:45 pm
Interesting also that Italian Burnley can be bought for less than a tenth of the price.
I take you back to my post on Italian football finances

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:05 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:42 pm
Ah well. At least Garlick and the other directors have been remunerated beyond their wildest dreams.
Why shouldn't they be rewarded for increasing the value of the club massively?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:12 pm

Well, well, well. It's transfer deadline day and ALK have bought a whole squad of new players and they've even got their own team. All for less than £20 million.

Exciting times.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:16 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:05 pm
Why shouldn't they be rewarded for increasing the value of the club massively?
There was a time when I thought the interests of the club always came first to them (being debt-free, long-term future etc) above a massive financial remuneration. Ah well, things change, at least they’ve had a gigantic pay day. Pleased for them, it’s nice work if you can get it.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by android » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:18 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:51 pm
It's a great question.

Companies House lists Velocity Sports Partners Limited, with Alan Pace and others as directors. However, VSPL is not mentioned in the "person with significant control" filings.

Of course, we know that Velocity Sports Partners were reported as the entity acquiring BFC.

I've googled "Velocity Sports Partners" - there's a report in the Washington Times that reports the takeover.

My expectation is that Velocity Sports Partners is the name of a US entity. Who knows, it may be a US LLP. Maybe it sits above Kettering Capital Limited, either directly, or with one or more other entities. Maybe "persons of significant control" filed for Kettering is in the process of being updated - 26-Oct-2020 the filing says "The company knows or has reasonable cause to believe that there is no registrable person or registrable relevant legal entity in relation to the company." Maybe there is some information in the way 50,000 shares were allotted for £200 and 49,000 for £1795.918?

I'm assuming that "significant control" filings apply to non-UK entities.

Exciting times.

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On the ownership point it seems that Velocity Sports Limited owns Kettering Capital Limited which owns Calder Vale which owns BFC.

However, just to add to the fun, there is more than one Velocity Sports Limited! Velocity Sports Limited, a company incorporated in Jersey, bought the first 1000 shares issued by Kettering Capital. It seems highly likely that the additional shares were also issued to Velocity Sports Limited (Jersey)

It seems that there was already an existing UK company called Velocity Sports Limited, which appears unrelated to ALK. It appears to be a completely independent private company involved in the business of sports pitches and has no connection to ALK or BFC.

I have not attempted to dig into the ownership of "our" Velocity Sports Limited (of Jersey) and I am not sure what information is easily accessible for a Jersey company.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Burnley1989 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:19 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:16 pm
There was a time when I thought the interests of the club always came first to them (being debt-free, long-term future etc) above a massive financial remuneration. Ah well, things change, at least they’ve had a gigantic pay day. Pleased for them, it’s nice work if you can get it.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:16 pm
There was a time when I thought the interests of the club always came first to them (being debt-free, long-term future etc) above a massive financial remuneration. Ah well, things change, at least they’ve had a gigantic pay day. Pleased for them, it’s nice work if you can get it.
You haven't answered the question.

Perhaps they believe that the new owners will act in the best interest of the club.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:26 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:20 pm
You haven't answered the question.

Perhaps they believe that the new owners will act in the best interest of the club.
Well spotted Tall Paul, I nearly got away without answering the question. Damn. So close.

I don’t begrudge them a massive pay day actually, I said I was pleased for them. I would have preferred it to have been in better, more sustainable circumstances, but hey ho. Beers on John B at the next away match. Count me in.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:26 pm
Well spotted Tall Paul, I nearly got away without answering the question. Damn. So close.

I don’t begrudge them a massive pay day actually, I said I was pleased for them. I would have preferred it to have been in better, more sustainable circumstances, but hey ho. Beers on John B at the next away match. Count me in.
You realise that they still haven't taken any money out of the club, right? If it has been taken out (and we don't know for certain if it has), it's been taken out by the new owners, not Garlick and co.

The only way MG and co weren't getting a big payout on selling is if they took the club back into the Championship or lower and I'm sure nobody wanted that.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:33 pm

Meanwhile, has no one noticed that Kettering has got £98 million equity - and has had this £98m since 30th Dec 2020. The lacuna in the Sportico article is that there's no mention of the £98 million and yet we all know it exists because the Companies House information is in the public domain.

What Sportico gets right is "it's unclear how ALK would repay the loans...." We should all ask ourselves how often we would lend money to someone if we felt it was unclear how they could repay is. Then think, would MSD, with all that groups financial resources and expertise, lend money to a risky football club that may not be able to repay them. The answer is they wouldn't - which suggests that Sportico hasn't got their "facts" right - just as The Athletic missed out on the £98 million equity (unless they've amended their article now the Companies House data is in the public domain).

The directors of Burnley Football Club have a duty to act responsibly with their company's finances. Yes, they can make intercompany loans, but they can't make those loans if they don't have confidence that those loans can be repaid to Burnley Football Club. If you get this sort of stuff wrong as a director you run the risk of (1) being personally liable to other creditors and (2) being disqualified from being the director of any company for a significant number of years.

At the present time, we don't know all the details of how ALK has structured and will fund the club's ongoing investments. I recommend we all keep in mind that, just as with the common saw "if it's too good to be true..." the same applies "if it's too bad to be true, it is most likely not true."

Exciting times.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:33 pm

I thought I'd found something only to see quoon beat me to it and get it posted on here.

This is the article I'd found
https://www.calcioefinanza.it/2021/02/0 ... ano-volpi/


I was told they were buying another club in Europe but Italy was not the country I was given.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:36 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 pm
You realise that they still haven't taken any money out of the club, right? If it has been taken out (and we don't know for certain if it has), it's been taken out by the new owners, not Garlick and co.

The only way MG and co weren't getting a big payout on selling is if they took the club back into the Championship or lower and I'm sure nobody wanted that.
Yes I do realise that, but it could only have happened had the sale been approved by the previous directors. So it’s a bit of technicality for me, that.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by jedi_master » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:37 pm

Should we expect an Udinese/Granada/Watford style relationship incoming here?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:38 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:12 pm
Well, well, well. It's transfer deadline day and ALK have bought a whole squad of new players and they've even got their own team. All for less than £20 million.

Exciting times.

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NOT the £20m surprise purchase I was hoping for today!
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by quoonbeatz » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:43 pm

At least that's our annual prestigious European friendly sorted.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:45 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:37 pm
Should we expect an Udinese/Granada/Watford style relationship incoming here?
He's said in interviews that he wanted to partner with other clubs and I was told before Christmas that he was buying a smaller club in Europe although that fell through apparently.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by jedi_master » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:46 pm

Well, a cursory examination of their squad by nothing other than Wikipedia says that we should be hopeful for the arrivals of Mbala Nzola and Giulio Maggiore.

We can send them Kevin Long to get some first team experience.

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Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:46 pm

"Sounds like reports of an imminent purchase of Spezia Calcio, or any club overseas, is inaccurate, but Alan Pace explained when he was unveiled to the press here that he would like to explore the possibility of partnerships with foreign clubs"

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:57 pm

android wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:18 pm
On the ownership point it seems that Velocity Sports Limited owns Kettering Capital Limited which owns Calder Vale which owns BFC.

However, just to add to the fun, there is more than one Velocity Sports Limited! Velocity Sports Limited, a company incorporated in Jersey, bought the first 1000 shares issued by Kettering Capital. It seems highly likely that the additional shares were also issued to Velocity Sports Limited (Jersey)

It seems that there was already an existing UK company called Velocity Sports Limited, which appears unrelated to ALK. It appears to be a completely independent private company involved in the business of sports pitches and has no connection to ALK or BFC.

I have not attempted to dig into the ownership of "our" Velocity Sports Limited (of Jersey) and I am not sure what information is easily accessible for a Jersey company.
Hi Android,

Velocity Sports Partners Limited, Company No 12880579 was incorporated on 15th September 2020. Alan Pace, Stuart Hunt and Michael Lee Smith are the 3 directors. So, firmly linked to ALK. However, this company doesn't appear to be directly involved in Kettering Capital or Calder Vale.

Velocity Sports Ltd, registration number 132376, is a Jersey company.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/docu ... ?Id=397547

Unlike Companies House (UK), the Jersey Companies Registry (still) charges for reports.

However, accessible for the first time today, Companies House has a 3 page pdf filed by Kettering Capital re the new Articles of Association. This document is signed "For and on behalf of Velocity Sports Ltd." So, the link between Kettering and VSP (Jersey) is confirmed on public record.

Exciting times.

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EDIT: I should add that the 3rd page of the Kettering Capital pdf, which was signed "For and on behalf of Velocity Sports Ltd" has a footer: "Burnley - Shareholder Resolutions - Signature Page."

The "signature page" document is dated 22 December 2020.

There are near identical documents on Calder Vale's Company House filing. In the latter case, Calder Vale's signature page is signed "For and on behalf of Kettering Capital Limited."
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:12 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:33 pm
Meanwhile, has no one noticed that Kettering has got £98 million equity - and has had this £98m since 30th Dec 2020. The lacuna in the Sportico article is that there's no mention of the £98 million and yet we all know it exists because the Companies House information is in the public domain.

What Sportico gets right is "it's unclear how ALK would repay the loans...." We should all ask ourselves how often we would lend money to someone if we felt it was unclear how they could repay is. Then think, would MSD, with all that groups financial resources and expertise, lend money to a risky football club that may not be able to repay them. The answer is they wouldn't - which suggests that Sportico hasn't got their "facts" right - just as The Athletic missed out on the £98 million equity (unless they've amended their article now the Companies House data is in the public domain).

The directors of Burnley Football Club have a duty to act responsibly with their company's finances. Yes, they can make intercompany loans, but they can't make those loans if they don't have confidence that those loans can be repaid to Burnley Football Club. If you get this sort of stuff wrong as a director you run the risk of (1) being personally liable to other creditors and (2) being disqualified from being the director of any company for a significant number of years.

At the present time, we don't know all the details of how ALK has structured and will fund the club's ongoing investments. I recommend we all keep in mind that, just as with the common saw "if it's too good to be true..." the same applies "if it's too bad to be true, it is most likely not true."

Exciting times.

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I don't think it's a particularly good article but it does make reference to that in the article, it talks about them having first option on the parachute payments which lines up with what's on companies house.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:17 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:12 pm
I don't think it's a particularly good article but it does make reference to that in the article, it talks about them having first option on the parachute payments which lines up with what's on companies house.
Hi aggi, where are you seeing that information? I assume you are saying that MSD has first call on the parachute payments, if BFC is relegated? But, how does that mean that MSD's loans are repayable? And, that's without the debate that was going on last year that the Premier League wants to get rid of parachute payments. Do you think MSD would loan money on that basis, where there's a risk that there are no parachute payments?

It wouldn't get past any credit committee I've ever been aware of.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:18 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:57 pm
Hi Android,

Velocity Sports Partners Limited, Company No 12880579 was incorporated on 15th September 2020. Alan Pace, Stuart Hunt and Michael Lee Smith are the 3 directors. So, firmly linked to ALK. However, this company doesn't appear to be directly involved in Kettering Capital or Calder Vale.

Velocity Sports Ltd, registration number 132376, is a Jersey company.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/docu ... ?Id=397547

Unlike Companies House (UK), the Jersey Companies Registry (still) charges for reports.

However, accessible for the first time today, Companies House has a 3 page pdf filed by Kettering Capital re the new Articles of Association. This document is signed "For and on behalf of Velocity Sports Ltd." So, the link between Kettering and VSP (Jersey) is confirmed on public record.

Exciting times.

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Reports from the Jersey Companies Registry are pretty bland too. No information on shareholders, beneficial owners, etc.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:24 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:17 pm
Hi aggi, where are you seeing that information? I assume you are saying that MSD has first call on the parachute payments, if BFC is relegated? But, how does that mean that MSD's loans are repayable? And, that's without the debate that was going on last year that the Premier League wants to get rid of parachute payments. Do you think MSD would loan money on that basis, where there's a risk that there are no parachute payments?

It wouldn't get past any credit committee I've ever been aware of.

Exciting times.

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They have a fixed charge over Trading Receivables and Other Debtors so that would include parachute payments (in the case of default obviously). I guess that would also cover revenue from selling players so that would also give some comfort that, in the case of default, they would recover the majority of the loan.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:36 pm

aggi wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:24 pm
They have a fixed charge over Trading Receivables and Other Debtors so that would include parachute payments (in the case of default obviously). I guess that would also cover revenue from selling players so that would also give some comfort that, in the case of default, they would recover the majority of the loan.
Hi aggi, I agree all you say, but I still don't think MSD's credit committee would be minded to approve a loan to ALK/Velocity Sports/Kettering on the basis The Athletic and Sportico are suggesting. If MSD had already made the loan, before covid-19 impacted Premier League finances, before the Premier League suggested cutting parachute payments and for a purpose other than being part of the financing of a speculative punt at ALK buying Burnley Football Club, then, yes, I can agree that MSD would look for whatever mitigation was available to them. But, all these things had already happened before ALK acquired BFC and before a loan was advanced by MSD - and, at that time, Burnley Football Club's results weren't that great. It doesn't make sense approving a highly leveraged loan with the purpose of acquiring the club in those circumstances.

We're not seeing all the picture and we are filling in the gaps with the wrong conclusions.

It would be great to get some more public domain info. Thanks for the bit on Jersey Company data - I knew it wouldn't answer all our questions.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:43 pm

A little bit of additional information on MSD.

On 15th Jan 2021, MSD unsecured loan note, EUR 24,023,813, coupon 7,779%, due 2030, was listed on The International Stock Exchange (TISE) Guernsey.

https://tisegroup.com/market/securities/12538

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:48 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:43 pm
A little bit of additional information on MSD.

On 15th Jan 2021, MSD unsecured loan note, EUR 24,023,813, coupon 7,779%, due 2030, was listed on The International Stock Exchange (TISE) Guernsey.

https://tisegroup.com/market/securities/12538
That seems fairly standard practice for MSD, and the Dell family office moving it's capital around in a tax efficient manner to lend, they are taking a sizeable bet on football though so few players in that market from a (non financial institution) credit perspective, thy must have one of, if not the biggest exposure in Europe

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by android » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:53 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:57 pm
Hi Android,

Velocity Sports Partners Limited, Company No 12880579 was incorporated on 15th September 2020. Alan Pace, Stuart Hunt and Michael Lee Smith are the 3 directors. So, firmly linked to ALK. However, this company doesn't appear to be directly involved in Kettering Capital or Calder Vale.

Velocity Sports Ltd, registration number 132376, is a Jersey company.

https://www.jerseyfsc.org/registry/docu ... ?Id=397547

Unlike Companies House (UK), the Jersey Companies Registry (still) charges for reports.

However, accessible for the first time today, Companies House has a 3 page pdf filed by Kettering Capital re the new Articles of Association. This document is signed "For and on behalf of Velocity Sports Ltd." So, the link between Kettering and VSP (Jersey) is confirmed on public record.

Exciting times.

UTC

EDIT: I should add that the 3rd page of the Kettering Capital pdf, which was signed "For and on behalf of Velocity Sports Ltd" has a footer: "Burnley - Shareholder Resolutions - Signature Page."

The "signature page" document is dated 22 December 2020.

There are near identical documents on Calder Vale's Company House filing. In the latter case, Calder Vale's signature page is signed "For and on behalf of Kettering Capital Limited."
Hi Paul, yes, I noticed Velocity Sports Partners Limited as an ALK company but we don't know where that fits with BFC at the moment, if at all.

I just thought it was worth pointing out that it is Velocity Sports Limited in Jersey that is one of the holding companies for BFC and not Velocity Sports Limited of England in case anyone looks at the latter and gets confused as the English version appears to be unrelated to ALK.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by scouseclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:58 pm

Boden has now tweeted that the ALK/Spezia link is "wide of the mark".

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:04 pm

android wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:53 pm
Hi Paul, yes, I noticed Velocity Sports Partners Limited as an ALK company but we don't know where that fits with BFC at the moment, if at all.

I just thought it was worth pointing out that it is Velocity Sports Limited in Jersey that is one of the holding companies for BFC and not Velocity Sports Limited of England in case anyone looks at the latter and gets confused as the English version appears to be unrelated to ALK.
Thanks, Android. Your post is helpful. It prompted me to learn a little more about Jersey Companies Registry - or at least refresh my previous understand that it's not that easy to get good info on Jersey companies.

I suspect Velocity Sports Partners Limited was set up before ALK had worked out the best way to organise their corporate structure. Whether Velocity Sports Partners Limited does anything in future, time will tell.

Exciting times.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by NewClaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:21 pm

Maybe we’re so rich now that Rigg’s scouted a player there and we’ve just decided to bid for the whole club instead? Keeps things simple.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by dsr » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:27 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:32 pm
You realise that they still haven't taken any money out of the club, right? If it has been taken out (and we don't know for certain if it has), it's been taken out by the new owners, not Garlick and co.
That's an almighty nitpick.

Let's be 100% accurate about this. Mike Garlick, as owner of BFC, agreed a deal whereby a huge amount of money would be taken out of the club and passed through the channels to himself personally.

Mike Garlick, as current director of the club, sanctioned the withdrawal of all that money from the club in the knowledge that it would be passed to him personally.

There is a technical difference, but in all terms bar the tiniest legal niceties, Garlick has taken money out of the club.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:34 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:27 pm
That's an almighty nitpick.

Let's be 100% accurate about this. Mike Garlick, as owner of BFC, agreed a deal whereby a huge amount of money would be taken out of the club and passed through the channels to himself personally.

Mike Garlick, as current director of the club, sanctioned the withdrawal of all that money from the club in the knowledge that it would be passed to him personally.

There is a technical difference, but in all terms bar the tiniest legal niceties, Garlick has taken money out of the club.
I cannot agree with that in full, as a board member with a minority shareholding he has (according to reports) seen shares owned by former board members bought with club funds, he may or may not have voted for that, he may or may not have also know that was the intended approach of the new major shareholders, when they bought his shares - the same goes for all the other former board members - though they were in the position that Mike and John are in now - board members with experience but little real power.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:50 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:27 pm
That's an almighty nitpick.

Let's be 100% accurate about this. Mike Garlick, as owner of BFC, agreed a deal whereby a huge amount of money would be taken out of the club and passed through the channels to himself personally.

Mike Garlick, as current director of the club, sanctioned the withdrawal of all that money from the club in the knowledge that it would be passed to him personally.

There is a technical difference, but in all terms bar the tiniest legal niceties, Garlick has taken money out of the club.
Hi dsr, what you say can not be correct. I've no direct knowledge of BFC's cashflow position, but it should be obvious to all of us that if the Premier League tv money is distributed 2 or at most 3 times a year and BFC has got to pay players' wages every month, there will be periods when the cash balance is high, because the tv money has just been received. Equally, there will be times when there is very little cash coming in, but wages continue to need to be paid.

Exciting times.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:25 pm

dsr wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:27 pm
That's an almighty nitpick.

Let's be 100% accurate about this. Mike Garlick, as owner of BFC, agreed a deal whereby a huge amount of money would be taken out of the club and passed through the channels to himself personally.

Mike Garlick, as current director of the club, sanctioned the withdrawal of all that money from the club in the knowledge that it would be passed to him personally.

There is a technical difference, but in all terms bar the tiniest legal niceties, Garlick has taken money out of the club.
I don't think it's nitpicking at all.

Pre sale Garlick and co owned an asset valued at £170m (say). The question is what is it worth now ALK own it?

Either MG and co have taken the £50m and ALK have acquired an asset worth £120m or ALK have effectively paid £120m for a £170m asset.

Has there been a distribution of profits or not?

Of course all this assumes the reports of the club's cash being taken out as part of the acquisition are correct.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:40 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:36 pm
Hi aggi, I agree all you say, but I still don't think MSD's credit committee would be minded to approve a loan to ALK/Velocity Sports/Kettering on the basis The Athletic and Sportico are suggesting. If MSD had already made the loan, before covid-19 impacted Premier League finances, before the Premier League suggested cutting parachute payments and for a purpose other than being part of the financing of a speculative punt at ALK buying Burnley Football Club, then, yes, I can agree that MSD would look for whatever mitigation was available to them. But, all these things had already happened before ALK acquired BFC and before a loan was advanced by MSD - and, at that time, Burnley Football Club's results weren't that great. It doesn't make sense approving a highly leveraged loan with the purpose of acquiring the club in those circumstances.

We're not seeing all the picture and we are filling in the gaps with the wrong conclusions.

It would be great to get some more public domain info. Thanks for the bit on Jersey Company data - I knew it wouldn't answer all our questions.

Exciting times.

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It's obviously a loan with a calculated risk of it not being repaid. You don't have an interest rate in the double figures if there is no risk of it being repaid. Of course none of us know what MSD's appetite for risk is.

We're definitely not seeing all the picture and probably won't for a few years (if ever given the overseas companies that are cropping up) so we have little idea what are right or wrong conclusions.
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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:44 pm

android wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:53 pm
Hi Paul, yes, I noticed Velocity Sports Partners Limited as an ALK company but we don't know where that fits with BFC at the moment, if at all.

I just thought it was worth pointing out that it is Velocity Sports Limited in Jersey that is one of the holding companies for BFC and not Velocity Sports Limited of England in case anyone looks at the latter and gets confused as the English version appears to be unrelated to ALK.
Ha, worth bearing in mind. When I first found out that the ground had been sold off the company database I was using had mixed up Lionbridge in the UK and Lionbridge in the BVI with the result that when the local papers picked up the story they happily regurgitated that incorrect fact. In fact I think it ended up with Dave Thomas (author, not player) phoning the UK company up before it became clear that it was nothing to do with them.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by paulatky » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:46 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:25 pm
I don't think it's nitpicking at all.

Pre sale Garlick and co owned an asset valued at £170m (say). The question is what is it worth now ALK own it?

Either MG and co have taken the £50m and ALK have acquired an asset worth £120m or ALK have effectively paid £120m for a £170m asset.

Has there been a distribution of profits or not?

Of course all this assumes the reports of the club's cash being taken out as part of the acquisition are correct.
ALK paid £170m for an asset worth £170m including £50m in the bank. If that £50m has been paid out to MG , -ALK have loaned £120m for an asset now valued at £120m

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:58 pm

It’s just a good job Mike did his due diligence and didn’t sell to those pesky Egyptians.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:58 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:46 pm
ALK paid £170m for an asset worth £170m including £50m in the bank. If that £50m has been paid out to MG , -ALK have loaned £120m for an asset now valued at £120m
So they paid MG £170m and then paid him another £50m?

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by paulatky » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:29 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:58 pm
So they paid MG £170m and then paid him another £50m?
No they paid MG and other major shareholders £170m for which they got loans for £120m and used the Clubs cash funds of £50m.

The Club now has no funds and a debt of £120,00 on which the annual interest will be approx £10m

But it what all those calling for MG’s head wanted apparently.

Should have been more careful of what they wished for.

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by Tall Paul » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:38 pm

paulatky wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:29 pm
No they paid MG and other major shareholders £170m for which they got loans for £120m and used the Clubs cash funds of £50m.
So you think the value of the club has decreased by £50m?

Bearing in mind that MG & co owned an asset worth £170m before the sale and now have cash of £170m and ALK had nothing before the sale and now have an asset worth £120m and a debt of £120m, who has had the benefit of that £50m?

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by IanMcL » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:55 pm

Tall Paul wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:38 pm
So you think the value of the club has decreased by £50m?

Bearing in mind that MG & co owned an asset worth £170m before the sale and now have cash of £170m and ALK had nothing before the sale and now have an asset worth £120m and a debt of £120m, who has had the benefit of that £50m?
The directors who were formerly very prudent and keeping our funds for a rainy day like relegation or a replacement stand?

All Mr Dyche was requesting was for them to use some funds or borrow a few quid, to strengthen the playing squad. They said they had to ve prudent. Now they use all the money and acrue debt beyond our wildest nightmare?

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

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Re: ALK CAPITAL BUYS BURNLEY WITH AGGRESSIVE DEBT STRUCTURE, DOUBTS EXIST ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO SERVICE LOANS

Post by aggi » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:35 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:55 pm
The directors who were formerly very prudent and keeping our funds for a rainy day like relegation or a replacement stand?

All Mr Dyche was requesting was for them to use some funds or borrow a few quid, to strengthen the playing squad. They said they had to ve prudent. Now they use all the money and acrue debt beyond our wildest nightmare?
What has been a bit lost is that the club, as a company, can't just give that money away to the previous directors to pay for shares. If the club's bank balance (and I'm not convinced there was a £50m bank balance to be used) was used/is to be used to fund the purchase then there must be a matching transaction. Possibly a loan to somewhere else within the group for instance which means the club is theoretically owed the cash. The money can't just disappear, there needs to be a matching transaction somewhere.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:39 pm

Interesting post from Tariq Panja:

Interesting talk today about owners of newly acquired Premier League scrabbling around to raise £30m (by trying to sell equity stake at far higher valuation). Cash needed to repay debt owed to previous owner. Crazy business

All points to Burnley.

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Re: ALK Capital or Farnell/Elkashashy takeover

Post by nyclaret » Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:44 pm

Fasten your seat belts...

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